What game did you realize that the wheels were coming off?

[Russ Smith]

I agree, in part. I said after the Tennessee game that Batiste was holding on every play and that was the only real improvement he brought to this line over DJ Young. But, I think there was something else going on. I think the rest of the league just assumed we had a horrible but still NFL caliber offensive line and didn't realize just how susceptible we were to sustained pressure. Unfortunately, the week before the refs returned, the Dolphins showed the league just how bad these guys really were. We were among the worst in recent memory even with Massie and Batiste holding regularly, when the refs returned we moved into historically inept territory.

Steve

Yep, teams also figured out they don't have to bring more than 4 to get heat which allows them to change their coverages.

If you can get to the QB without bringing more than 4 it's much easier to cover. And when you can do it in less than 2.4 seconds, which happens 1-2 times a game against us, all the easier.

The really frustrating thing is both massie and Batiste getting beat over and over on the same play, DE rushes wide then pushes them to the side as they duck in and make a beeline for the target, our QB. How many times can you get beaten by the same move before you learn?

Especially Batiste, twice in one game knowing he has a chip coming outside, he gives up the inside to Jared Allen.

How about the play against SF where Colledge has his man and then they're stunting and he realizes Aldon Smith is coming inside unblocked and he grabs Smith around the neck. Look at where Batiste is, he's in no mans land, he's not blocking either guy. If Colledge doesn't hold, Smith kills Skelton. If Colledge releases his man to go pick up Smith, his man kills Skelton. Batiste isn't going to touch either one of them.

 

[WildBB]

Yep, teams also figured out they don't have to bring more than 4 to get heat which allows them to change their coverages.

If you can get to the QB without bringing more than 4 it's much easier to cover. And when you can do it in less than 2.4 seconds, which happens 1-2 times a game against us, all the easier.

The really frustrating thing is both massie and Batiste getting beat over and over on the same play, DE rushes wide then pushes them to the side as they duck in and make a beeline for the target, our QB. How many times can you get beaten by the same move before you learn?

Especially Batiste, twice in one game knowing he has a chip coming outside, he gives up the inside to Jared Allen.

How about the play against SF where Colledge has his man and then they're stunting and he realizes Aldon Smith is coming inside unblocked and he grabs Smith around the neck. Look at where Batiste is, he's in no mans land, he's not blocking either guy. If Colledge doesn't hold, Smith kills Skelton. If Colledge releases his man to go pick up Smith, his man kills Skelton. Batiste isn't going to touch either one of them.

L. Brown going down was the one they couldn't afford to lose this yr. So seriously thin at OT. They really needed to hedge the bet better. They got burned. Not drafting Reiff came back to haunt them some. When they couldn't find anyone in FA at OT they should have signed another WR so they could draft the OT. woulda,,shoulda,,couldaa.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yep, teams also figured out they don't have to bring more than 4 to get heat which allows them to change their coverages.

If you can get to the QB without bringing more than 4 it's much easier to cover. And when you can do it in less than 2.4 seconds, which happens 1-2 times a game against us, all the easier.

The really frustrating thing is both massie and Batiste getting beat over and over on the same play, DE rushes wide then pushes them to the side as they duck in and make a beeline for the target, our QB. How many times can you get beaten by the same move before you learn?

Especially Batiste, twice in one game knowing he has a chip coming outside, he gives up the inside to Jared Allen.

How about the play against SF where Colledge has his man and then they're stunting and he realizes Aldon Smith is coming inside unblocked and he grabs Smith around the neck. Look at where Batiste is, he's in no mans land, he's not blocking either guy. If Colledge doesn't hold, Smith kills Skelton. If Colledge releases his man to go pick up Smith, his man kills Skelton. Batiste isn't going to touch either one of them.

Apparently there is no limit to the number of times you can fall prey to the same move. We see it over and again from these guys. Batiste is a problem even when they only send 3 guys. I think Massie would be almost serviceable on a good line because he'd be getting the help a marginal rookie deserves. It might help if we had someone telling him to not play so upright and stiff, it also might help if he added some strength. Someone needs to tell Batiste this isn't the lingerie league. He needs to retire before he gets someone killed.

Steve

 

[PJ1]

Tennessee game convinced me the coming season was going to be brutal.

They had me convinced I was wrong until a lousy Rams team beat the crap out of us.

 

[Russ Smith]

Apparently there is no limit to the number of times you can fall prey to the same move. We see it over and again from these guys. Batiste is a problem even when they only send 3 guys. I think Massie would be almost serviceable on a good line because he'd be getting the help a marginal rookie deserves. It might help if we had someone telling him to not play so upright and stiff, it also might help if he added some strength. Someone needs to tell Batiste this isn't the lingerie league. He needs to retire before he gets someone killed.

Steve

Yep in baseball they have an expression for a pitcher who gets hit hard, "married men off the infield." That's how I feel about Batiste. I actually wanted Whiz to put Lindley in Monday towards the end, not because I want to see him play, but because I was afraid Skelton would get hurt and be unable to play against GB.

 

[Superfuzz]

Fins game. That was the most uneasy feeling I've had after a win ever. Even though I knew that even though we probably weren't likely to go 13-3 or so anymore, we'd have a winning record for at least month unless we lost every single game in Octo....oh, wait.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yep in baseball they have an expression for a pitcher who gets hit hard, "married men off the infield." That's how I feel about Batiste. I actually wanted Whiz to put Lindley in Monday towards the end, not because I want to see him play, but because I was afraid Skelton would get hurt and be unable to play against GB.

Yeah, I always got a kick out of that line. I think we should come up with our own equivalent. Something like "these guys aren't blocking anyone, time to bring in Derek Anderson and somebody get Jeff Blake on the phone".

Steve

 

[D-Dogg]

Rams game was an inkling, but the Bills game was the wakeup call. And even if we had won it, it was the wakeup call. That Bills team had been slaughtered to the tune of 1000 yards and 90 points in its last two games, and we looked like warmed up ass against them.

 

[NJCardFan]

Once Feeley missed the game winner vs. Buffalo.

Once again for the slow to learn. That kick was partially blocked.

 

[NJCardFan]

Thanksgiving 1977

Ugh. The beginning of a 12 game losing streak that spanned 2 seasons.

 

[LarryStalling]

This team has never recovered from firing Joe Bugel. It has been a constant search for someone that could put toether two cognitive ideas following each other. One guy could do defense but forgot offense and another would do offense and no defense. Almost never could they conceive the idea of special teams.

Now seriously, I fell off of the KW wagon back when he let go of Matty in favor of Anderson. I was convinced that no one could have an eye for talent that would do that. I was totally unimpressed by the way he handled personnel in general. I don't think he or his staff have the slightest clue on how to evaluate talent especially on how spot talent on the offensive line. Clueless!! My blind sister could pick OL talent as good this bunch does. I don't even want to discuss the Boldin matter. it is just sickening.

 

[PJ1]

Ugh. The beginning of a 12 game losing streak that spanned 2 seasons.

I was so looking forward to watching that game. I remember Dobler going off and getting kicked out. Oh the pain this team has caused....

 

[AzStevenCal]

This team has never recovered from firing Joe Bugel. It has been a constant search for someone that could put toether two cognitive ideas following each other. One guy could do defense but forgot offense and another would do offense and no defense. Almost never could they conceive the idea of special teams.

Now seriously, I fell off of the KW wagon back when he let go of Matty in favor of Anderson. I was convinced that no one could have an eye for talent that would do that. I was totally unimpressed by the way he handled personnel in general. I don't think he or his staff have the slightest clue on how to evaluate talent especially on how spot talent on the offensive line. Clueless!! My blind sister could pick OL talent as good this bunch does. I don't even want to discuss the Boldin matter. it is just sickening.

I see a lot of things to dislike out there but I don't know how you can really blame him in that way. Leinart pretty much refused to do anything other than dump the ball off for a loss or small gain and Whiz thought it might come in handy to be able to move the ball down the field. He had to try something and giving your backup a shot with the first team is a pretty reasonable thing to do during the preseason.

It's not CKW's fault that Leinart turned crybaby, alienated the locker room and went to the press. Maybe there was a better way for Whiz to handle it and if you want him fired for not finding it, then fine. But it's just not fair or accurate to say he should be fired because he concluded Anderson was better than Leinart. And, truth be told, 2 years later we still don't know which of those two is better. Useless is still useless. I do think it makes sense to fire whoever is responsible for us having the trio of Leinart, Anderson and Hall to choose from in the first place.

Steve

 

[devilalum]

They're 0-4 in pink.