What happened to our first round pick of last year?

[CardShark]

Isn't he ready to assume the left guard role?

 

[crisper57]

He seems to have struggled coming back from injury in time to crack the starting lineup Week 1.

Now they are scared to mess with the OL continuity.

Good news is that he seems to have recovered in the last 2 weeks. And with Fanaika hurting, he has had a chance to work back in with the 1's.

We will see

 

[overseascardfan]

This is why you never take a OG in the Top 10. I know people will say its to early to call him a bust but he can't beat out Faniaka or Larson after all the hype of being a special talent and taken #7 overall can't bode well. Hurt last year I understand but unable to win the job this season and BA putting him on notice since TC doesn't ease my mind. Haven't been keeping tabs but how is Chance Warmack fairing? Would he have been the better pick at #7?

 

[desertdawg]

I believe one of the reasons we picked him up was because he could probably play everything but Left Tackle. Basically our O-line is alright how it is, better than most (last week) as far as injuries go. Sounds like Cooper wasn't going 100% and Arians not only noticed it, but he felt he had a better option.

Let's look at it. Cooper is sitting there watching our success from the sidelines, probably feeling that he might have been able to be out there if he had pushed himself harder. The injury combined with his weight and mass had to of messed with his mentals, but Arians saw what he could do last year, and what he was doing this year, and made a coach's decision, a tough one. That's why Arians is who he is, that's why Cooper is on the pine, play scared stay scared.

Cooper in the preseason, got worked a bit but that was expected. The thrashing he took in camp from CC was necessary, Arians was looking for it. "Mentals" are everything on the O-line, that's why I am in love with Veldheer right now. You gotta not only want to get into it, you have to be confident in it, and let the man come out to deny another's will.

Let's look at it again. Cooper can respond in one of two ways. Cooper can continue to feel more confident in his recovery, and itch to get out there on the field. This may be what BA is trying to do as far as inspiration goes. Next up on the depth chart is what I would be doing if I was Cooper, first one in, last one out, because I need to get on that field and push people around.

 

[GatorAZ]

This is why you never take a OG in the Top 10. I know people will say its to early to call him a bust but he can't beat out Faniaka or Larson after all the hype of being a special talent and taken #7 overall can't bode well. Hurt last year I understand but unable to win the job this season and BA putting him on notice since TC doesn't ease my mind. Haven't been keeping tabs but how is Chance Warmack fairing? Would he have been the better pick at #7?

He hasn't recovered from the injury. Maybe he didn't work hard enough during the summer but his elite guard-body in college is nowhere to be found.

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[Finito]

I said it then and ill say it now should have taken Chance Warmack with that pick. It seems to be mental with Cooper he just gives me a soft vibe you know. I just don't see that fire there. Hope and pray this kid comes around

 

[Goldfield]

I don't see that mean streak you want in lineman. He is an athlete, but not sure if he is mentally tough. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I didn't mind the selection of Cooper but it does show that if you take an OG in the first round, he better be special. Thus far, Cooper isn't. De Castro sat out much of year 1 because of injury and jumped right back in year 2.

The player Cooper reminds of right now is Elton Brown. Talented, but he doesn't want to put in the work and that's all it is, work. He's more athletically gifted than any OG on the roster by far so it's nothing more than an effort issue at this point. It's been over a year since the leg injury, that excuse doesn't fly anymore.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Lets face it the kid never had a shot. I killed it I was sitting in Radio City Music Hall when the pick was made...

 

[Cardsfanstl]

Lets face it the kid never had a shot. I killed it I was sitting in Radio City Music Hall when the pick was made...

So you are to blame!!!

 

[FORKTUNG]

I like the way BA has handled him and it sends a signal to everybody else the he is results driven and draft status has little weight.

I heard Larry say before MNF that a player shouldn't lose his job due to injury but with BA that is not the case

 

[NMCard]

At this point is he even in the position to be the next man up in case of an issue with the current starting OL?

 

[cardsfanmd]

At this point is he even in the position to be the next man up in case of an issue with the current starting OL?

Depends where the issue is. Larson backs up Fanaika and Sendlien. An injury to one of those 3 means Cooper comes in.

 

[TJ]

He played well last year during preseason but the leg fracture obviously derailed things. This season, it's the toe.

I'm not throwing dirt on him just yet, even if he sits all season.

 

[BigRedRage]

he will play, they just dont want to break continuity. If someone goes down, he will come back otherwise he will take the LG job next year. He was still limping through training camp and lately they have said the limp is gone and he is ready but the starters are doing fine and dont break whats working.

 

[don7031]

This is why you never take a OG in the Top 10.

2014 Pro Bowlers

Jahri Evans 4th round
Ben Grubbs 1st round (29th)
Evan Mathis 3rd round
Kyle Long 1st round (20th)
Logan Mankins 1st round (32nd)
Marshal Yanda 3rd round

The top ten in the draft is the domain of the most important positions (quarterback, left tackle, pass rusher) and game changing elite talents.

If the Cardinals had taken Dee Milliner in the first round, they would have had their pick of Kyle Long or Larry Warford in the second.

 

[Chopper0080]

Ok, I really liked the pick, and I still think everything will be fine. Here is why.

One, Cooper has never had a major injury like this in his career. It is difficult to know how hard to push, and understand how the process works if you have never done it before. In Cooper's head, the process is rehab, and then start it up when everything feels 100%. Folks who have been through rehab know this is not the case. It sunds like it is sinking in. This is not an excuse, he should have been ready, but it isn't a long term issue.

Two, the team is invested in him. Because of this, Cooper will always have a chance. He is a Keim guy, and he has a healthy salary so he will get another shot even if it isn't this year.

Three, he is fat because he didn't train as hard as he should have this offseason. That is an easy correction. He wasn't fat in college when he had less time and resources to stay in shape.

Four, he can easily see the progress Massie has made which will make a difference. It won't shock me to see Cooper head to train with Bentley this offseason to get back.

 

[Finito]

Kyle Long went in the first round. Warford in the second would if been a great pick. Man I wish we could do that draft over so far 3 of our first 4 haven't impressed me and I loved the picks at the time

Cooper
Minter
Okafor

At least Minter is freaking playing. No we should of never drafted Dee Milliner he's god awful huge bust

 

[TJ]

Ok, I really liked the pick, and I still think everything will be fine. Here is why.



One, Cooper has never had a major injury like this in his career. It is difficult to know how hard to push, and understand how the process works if you have never done it before. In Cooper's head, the process is rehab, and then start it up when everything feels 100%. Folks who have been through rehab know this is not the case. It sunds like it is sinking in. This is not an excuse, he should have been ready, but it isn't a long term issue.



Two, the team is invested in him. Because of this, Cooper will always have a chance. He is a Keim guy, and he has a healthy salary so he will get another shot even if it isn't this year.



Three, he is fat because he didn't train as hard as he should have this offseason. That is an easy correction. He wasn't fat in college when he had less time and resources to stay in shape.



Four, he can easily see the progress Massie has made which will make a difference. It won't shock me to see Cooper head to train with Bentley this offseason to get back.

All of this.

I'll add that if we drafted Chance instead, and Chance got injured, we'd be in the same situation.

 

[Finito]

I don't think so I get a very different vibe from Warmack got it then and get it now. Warmack to me seems like a throwback old school destroy the guy in front of me road grader. I see that mean attitude in him that I just don't see in Cooper

 

[TJ]

I don't think so I get a very different vibe from Warmack got it then and get it now. Warmack to me seems like a throwback old school destroy the guy in front of me road grader. I see that mean attitude in him that I just don't see in Cooper

It's easy to see since Warmack is actually playing. In the limited time I've seen Cooper, I saw some nastiness along with better athleticism. Part of the reason Coop was drafted was because he is a superior athlete and can pull off the line on outside run plays. Chance is more of a road grater.

Remember, we are adorning an O-lineman who's taken three years to put it all together - Bobbie Massie.

 

[Finito]

It's easy to see since Warmack is actually playing. In the limited time I've seen Cooper, I saw some nastiness along with better athleticism. Part of the reason Coop was drafted was because he is a superior athlete and can pull off the line on outside run plays. Chance is more of a road grater.

Remember, we are adorning an O-lineman who's taken three years to put it all together - Bobbie Massie.

Don't get me wrong I really really do hope this guy puts it together cayse the talent is there. Man him and Veldheer could be amazing side by side. I'd be the first guy to sport a Cooper jersey

 

[Russ Smith]

I think if he's not at least starting to get some PT after the bye then it's time to wonder is he in the doghouse all year. Right now I am sort of seeing what we were told, the toe is going to bother him all year, he has to get his game back together before he's going to start. It's pretty apparent Larsen is nothing special, not awful not good, so at some point if Coop is getting healthy and still can't take that job then you get concerned.

I would say barring an injury setback I expect him to be the starter there by midseason, if he's not and he's healthy, I'm worried.

 

[kerouac9]

It's easy to see since Warmack is actually playing. In the limited time I've seen Cooper, I saw some nastiness along with better athleticism. Part of the reason Coop was drafted was because he is a superior athlete and can pull off the line on outside run plays. Chance is more of a road grater.

Remember, we are adorning an O-lineman who's taken three years to put it all together - Bobbie Massie.

Bobbie Massie wasn't a Top 10 pick. He was a fourth-round pick. What's the point of drafting a guy in the Top 10 if he's not going to be able to contribute immediately at a high level?

You're absolutely right that Chance Warmack and Jonathan Cooper were completely different prospects, and that's the reason we chose Cooper over Warmack. Warmack certainly struggled his rookie season. The best guard in that draft class has actually been Larry Warford.

The process that lead us to choosing Cooper was the correct one, IMO. The results have been pretty regrettable so far. It's possible that Cooper can still become the best pulling guard of his generation--which was the expectation when he was drafted. Of course, that seems less likely right now.

 

[don7031]

No we should of never drafted Dee Milliner he's god awful huge bust

He was awful most of the year, but things were clicking for him at the end of the season to the point where he was named AFC Defensive Rookie of the Month. But he can't stay healthy which seems to be a recurring theme with guys coming out of Alabama.

It is not whether Milliner's a bust, but what you do with the 7th overall pick in the draft. Drafting that high you have the opportunity to get a game changer. The best cornerback in the draft has that potential, a guard doesn't.