What if Marion holds the Suns hostage?

[Divide Et Impera]

In the spirit of the Kobe/LAL thread, what would Shawn's reception be if he alone prevented KG from coming here?

I think it's a given that he would be absolutely the most reviled figure in PHX area sports EVER. What should his pennance be?

 

[boisesuns]

In the spirit of the Kobe/LAL thread, what would Shawn's reception be if he alone prevented KG from coming here?

I think it's a given that he would be absolutely the most reviled figure in PHX area sports EVER. What should his pennance be?

He should leave and be "the man"

 

[hsandhu]

No, there are too many idiot fans here. I heard a lot of calls to gambo and ash saying if they lose marion for kg, how would they replace marion?

 

[Brianellsworth]

is this still an "if" or can we go ahead and agree that this is the case.

 

[Cheesebeef]

if Marion holds us hostage, we ain't winning a title. it's that simple. No team with that kind of internal issues can go on to win a title, especially considering we'll likely be slashing some payroll, probably taking away either a) some kind of big man depth (KT) or part of the future (picks to get rid of Banks).

basically, we'll be screwed.

 

[Diawsome]

If Marion says he will opt out if he is traded to Minnesota would that make him a little more valuable to the wolves? Originally they didn't want Marion because they didn't want to take on his contract, so if he is saying he would opt out wouldn't that make him a more valuable contract then Theo Ratliff as he would essentially be an expiring but he also would give you a solid performance (18/11/2/2) as he would be in a contract year looking for his last big contract.

The wolves could then either just let him walk, work a sign & trade over next summer or even deal him at the deadline to a team that is in contention (teams like Dallas and Los Angeles whom are off-limits with the Suns would then be fair game for Minnesota).

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

If marion threatens an opt out then we package him with barbosa and picks(#24, ATL 08, Suns '08) and ship him directly to minnesota, treat him like an expiring contract and minnesota gains youth and picks.

That seems like the least destructive and simple path

 

[Mainstreet]

The wolves could then either just let him walk, work a sign & trade over next summer or even deal him at the deadline to a team that is in contention (teams like Dallas and Los Angeles whom are off-limits with the Suns would then be fair game for Minnesota).

This was my thinking last year when it was rumored that Rashard Lewis and extras from Seattle might be part of a trade to Phoenix for Marion. I thought the Suns could give Lewis a look-see for a year and let him walk if it didn't work out as a salary dump. However, I'm betting Marion wants the money instead of opting out if traded.

 

[Gaddabout]

If marion threatens an opt out then we package him with barbosa and picks(#24, ATL 08, Suns '08) and ship him directly to minnesota, treat him like an expiring contract and minnesota gains youth and picks.

That seems like the least destructive and simple path

Something tells me the Suns aren't willing to part with both Barbosa and all those picks. We might be willing to pull that trigger, but I'm sort of doubting Kerr is.

 

[Covert Rain]

Marion would become the least favorite guy on the Suns.

 

[devilalum]

This is the ugly risk of actively trying to trade a really good player. If Marion is not traded it will be a bad situation. Sure, everybody will say all the right things, "Its a Business" "We still just want to win..."

But this will only exacerbate the feelings between Amare and Marion and Marion will be even more bitter about his perceived lack of respect.

If the Suns get off to a rough start it could really snowball.

 

[Goldfield]

I dont think Marion's opt out is a big threat. He is overpaid as it is... If I were "Soda", I would be thrilled to dump that much cap space in one season, & still add all those picks.

 

[Sundance]

Now that Marion knows Phoenix was trying to ax him, will he even be willing return to the Suns this year? Is he going to be demanding to be traded to another playoff-caliber team?

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

If marion threatens an opt out then we package him with barbosa and picks(#24, ATL 08, Suns '08) and ship him directly to minnesota, treat him like an expiring contract and minnesota gains youth and picks.

That seems like the least destructive and simple path

How are you going to get that salary to match?

And one borderline All-Star and three late picks for KG if Marion opts-out? Right.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Marion would become the least favorite guy on the Suns.

and this is coming from one of Marion's biggest defenders/supporters. know, the board may know about this, but the regular public doesn't. if it ever got out, he would be universally loathed and for good reason after the drivel that's come out of his mouth and tortilla performances in the biggest three series of the last three years.

 

[dodie53]

If Marion says he will opt out if he is traded to Minnesota would that make him a little more valuable to the wolves? Originally they didn't want Marion because they didn't want to take on his contract, so if he is saying he would opt out wouldn't that make him a more valuable contract then Theo Ratliff as he would essentially be an expiring but he also would give you a solid performance (18/11/2/2) as he would be in a contract year looking for his last big contract.

The wolves could then either just let him walk, work a sign & trade over next summer or even deal him at the deadline to a team that is in contention (teams like Dallas and Los Angeles whom are off-limits with the Suns would then be fair game for Minnesota).

i like the way you think..

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

No, there are too many idiot fans here. I heard a lot of calls to gambo and ash saying if they lose marion for kg, how would they replace marion?

omg, you should have to pass an IQ test before they let you speak on the radio.

 

[slinslin]

Isn't the whole Marion doesn't want to go to Boston talk based on his agent squashing rumors of Marion possibly being traded to Boston?

That isn't exactly the same.

 

[azirish]

As I mentioned in another thread, there has been a widespread belief that Mairon wanted to do a JJ to become the main man somewhere. Bucher of ESPN made it clear that's not the case and it appears to have been confirmed. This doesn't mean he will block it, but it may discourage Ainge and other GM's looking at Marion as somebody they'd like.

Would he opt out to become an unrestricted free agent next year? It seems unlikely, but then again no one expected McDyess to turn down more money to stay in Phoenix before he bolted back to Denver -- on Danny Ainge's watch.

 

[Black Jesus]

Basically if Marion does this he turns into Matt Williams on the Dbacks refusing the Larry Walker trade. He could be the Nomar and accept, but he wont and we will all hate him for it, even if you like him now. I only said the man because thats what he claims he can be, but he isn't.

Just to clear something up though, He doesnt have a Notrade clause, does he? Does KG have the notrade?

 

[Diawsome]

Just to clear something up though, He doesnt have a Notrade clause, does he? Does KG have the notrade?

Kobe is the only player known to have a no trade clause in the NBA.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Basically if Marion does this he turns into Matt Williams on the Dbacks refusing the Larry Walker trade. He could be the Nomar and accept, but he wont and we will all hate him for it, even if you like him now. I only said the man because thats what he claims he can be, but he isn't.

Just to clear something up though, He doesnt have a Notrade clause, does he? Does KG have the notrade?

There was a big conversation about this on ESPN radio. The no trade clause is almost an after thought. No one is going to trade for a big salary person when they don't want to play for you. This is especially true if they have an early opt out clause. You are handing unfathomable amounts of money to an employee that won't give his best effort on the court and in the locker room.

The Suns already know all this because one does not include opt out clauses unless you are willing to give a certain amount of control to the player about their future. Marion exercising that control over his future is no different than what Kobe and Garnett are doing now.

Ultimately if the Suns were serious about trading Marion than they should have considered it last year when his opt out clause was too distant to be a distraction.

 

[Covert Rain]

There was a big conversation about this on ESPN radio. The no trade clause is almost an after thought. No one is going to trade for a big salary person when they don't want to play for you. This is especially true if they have an early opt out clause. You are handing unfathomable amounts of money to an employee that won't give his best effort on the court and in the locker room.

The Suns already know all this because one does not include opt out clauses unless you are willing to give a certain amount of control to the player about their future. Marion exercising that control over his future is no different than what Kobe and Garnett are doing now.

Ultimately if the Suns were serious about trading Marion than they should have considered it last year when his opt out clause was too distant to be a distraction.

I do disagree. I think it is different. I can't understand how anybody who has watched Marion and how he handled himself leading up to his max contract (letting everybody know he was a max contract player) actually thinks he would opt out and leave over 5 million per year on the table?!?!

His threat is toothless. Marion won't get 17 million per year on the open market from anybody. I don't Marion is going to leave that money on the table. He wants everyone to think he will but he won't.

The Suns need to do whatever the Suns need to do without the Suns approval. I mean even if you really do think that Shawn might...I am sure he is not going to OK his decision with the Suns before doing so.

To me Kobe and KG have much more leverage.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Big difference between Kobe and KG saying they wont go here or there, and Shawn Freakin Marion being a prima dona

He wont turn down 17mil for a year, his agent will smack him upside the head, and may even convince him to take an extension in boston. I think he would be more comfortable in boston than he realizes.

 

[BC867]

Why not Pau Gasol?

I like the suggestion in today's Arizona Republic that, should the KG deal fall through, the Suns consider trading Marion for Pau Gasol.

If it's true that Memphis star Pau Gasol wants to be traded unless the Grizzlies make major upgrades, shouldn't the Suns be all over that? The guy will be only 27 years old early next month. He's a 7-footer with skills not unlike those of Kevin Garnett, who is four years older.

Gasol has a much better post-up game than Dirk Nowitzki, but can also score facing the basket from midrange. Gasol blocks shots, and he's good for about nine rebounds a game.

Plus, he's under contract for four more years and is relatively inexpensive for a player of his caliber ($13.71 million next season).

Suns assistant Mark Iavaroni was hired recently as the Grizzles' coach, and he is going to try to convince Gasol that things will get better. But Memphis is notoriously reluctant to spend money. The Grizzlies' best chance to improve might be to trade Gasol and try to get an established star -- such as Shawn Marion -- and some complementary pieces and draft picks.

Marion, remember, played high school ball in Tennessee, so he would be a fan favorite there.

Especially with Marion trying to broker every 3-way deal being discussed for KG, and with Minnesota trying to hold out for Amare, this sounds like a natural, if we can't get KG, and he can't get his wish to come to Phoenix.