What if Marion holds the Suns hostage?

[AsUdUdE]

Marion would become the least favorite guy on the Suns.

That happend the day he opened his BIG mouth about wanting to play for another team... in my mind...

Marion has become a cancer for the Suns organization, I honestly believe if Marion was out of the picture the suns chemistry issues would be SOOO much better, and thats why a trade of Marion is soo damn essestial this off-season..

I don't believe the suns will win a championship with Marion in the locker room, I really don't....he is a cancer, and how many championship teams have division in the locker room, and a cancer as big as Marion.. I really can't think of any besides Wallace with the pistons, and for the year they won it, I thinK he just simply shut his mouth, which is a main reason they were able to pulled it off....

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Ah, Suns board urban legends. Again...

Marion never opened his "big mouth about playing for another team"

He was asked by a reporter "Do you feel you can be the man on another team"

His response "I never thought about that. But yeah, that would be something. I could do that."

EVERY athlete (outside of Boris Diaw) when asked if "he can be the man" is going to say yes. Being a professional athlete requires supreme confidence in your abilities.

 

[devilalum]

Ah, Suns board urban legends. Again...

Marion never opened his "big mouth about playing for another team"

He was asked by a reporter "Do you feel you can be the man on another team"

His response "I never thought about that. But yeah, that would be something. I could do that."

EVERY athlete (outside of Boris Diaw) when asked if "he can be the man" is going to say yes. Being a professional athlete requires supreme confidence in your abilities.

If it was just that one comment I might agree but that's not the case. He's been going on about how he's not respected for years shamelessly promoting himself for defensive player of the year. Complaining when he doesn't get enough All Star votes, complaining when he's not on the all defensive team and its quite obvious that he hates Amare.

I love Marion the hustling, dirty worker, role player extraordinaire, All Star but I'm sick of Shawn Marion the perpetual whiner.

The irony is that if he'd ever learned how to shoot a freakin basketball others might think as highly about him as he does.

 

[Chaplin]

That happend the day he opened his BIG mouth about wanting to play for another team... in my mind...

Marion has become a cancer for the Suns organization, I honestly believe if Marion was out of the picture the suns chemistry issues would be SOOO much better, and thats why a trade of Marion is soo damn essestial this off-season..

I don't believe the suns will win a championship with Marion in the locker room, I really don't....he is a cancer, and how many championship teams have division in the locker room, and a cancer as big as Marion.. I really can't think of any besides Wallace with the pistons, and for the year they won it, I thinK he just simply shut his mouth, which is a main reason they were able to pulled it off....

That's just not true. Marion is no cancer. Come on now. Yes, he complains in the media, but his teammates like him, and let's face it, Shawn Marion the person seems VERY likable.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Ah, Suns board urban legends. Again...

Marion never opened his "big mouth about playing for another team"

He was asked by a reporter "Do you feel you can be the man on another team"

His response "I never thought about that. But yeah, that would be something. I could do that."

EVERY athlete (outside of Boris Diaw) when asked if "he can be the man" is going to say yes. Being a professional athlete requires supreme confidence in your abilities.

I believe he was asked if he could be the man on another team, would he take it.

His response was, <long pause> wow, never thought about that, would we be in the playoffs?



But the entire interview was him being coddled by the interviewer asking him tons of questions about how underappreciated he is. Marion never gave a HINT that he was happy where he was or that it was about the team and it didnt bother him.

He is also the self proclaimed DPOY and is disgruntled that he hasnt gotten the mvp nomination

 

[dreamcastrocks]

If Marion decides to hold us hostage, you can trade him at the deadline. Or you let him go for cap space.

 

[Chaplin]

I believe he was asked if he could be the man on another team, would he take it.

His response was, <long pause> wow, never thought about that, would we be in the playoffs?



But the entire interview was him being coddled by the interviewer asking him tons of questions about how underappreciated he is. Marion never gave a HINT that he was happy where he was or that it was about the team and it didnt bother him.

He is also the self proclaimed DPOY and is disgruntled that he hasnt gotten the mvp nomination

That's an excellent example of slanted journalism. He didn't come out and ask "Do you feel you're underappreciated?" He instead slanted the whole interview that way--that's the reporter's fault for just not being a very good interviewer.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

I like the suggestion in today's Arizona Republic that, should the KG deal fall through, the Suns consider trading Marion for Pau Gasol.



Especially with Marion trying to broker every 3-way deal being discussed for KG, and with Minnesota trying to hold out for Amare, this sounds like a natural, if we can't get KG, and he can't get his wish to come to Phoenix.

Pau Gasol lacks the hustle needed to play with the suns by a LONGSHOT. The only way Gasol comes here is if we sneak a ticket in his pocket to minnesota and ship him in a KG deal.

Like this!

 

[HooverDam]

If it was just that one comment I might agree but that's not the case. He's been going on about how he's not respected for years shamelessly promoting himself for defensive player of the year. Complaining when he doesn't get enough All Star votes, complaining when he's not on the all defensive team and its quite obvious that he hates Amare.

First off, its not like he brings it up. He doesn't wander into the locker room and say "Damn! I need some more love from the media, lets get me on First Team All Defense!" Reporters ask him his opinion, and he tells them (rightfully) he is disappointed. He's confident, there is no problem with that, I think its insane to believe he's a 'cancer.' Amare is probably closer to a cancer than Shawn is, his huge ego, wanting the ball all the time, D'Antoni has even hinted at this by saying the team sans Amare was a 'better team.' Either way, I don't think either of them are close to cancer status.

As for that Marion for Gasol trade, ick! Gasol is a nice player, but very injury proned. I do think he fits the Suns system, but unless you are getting a HoF type guy (KG), I think its best to keep the Amare-Marion-Nash trio together, we know it works.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

That's an excellent example of slanted journalism. He didn't come out and ask "Do you feel you're underappreciated?" He instead slanted the whole interview that way--that's the reporter's fault for just not being a very good interviewer.

I agree, the interview was essentially an alley oop to Marion so he can bring his discontent to the spotlight.

However, don't you think Marion knew that going in?

When have you known Marion to turn away an alley oop?

 

[Mainstreet]

I think the Suns fans are getting hung up on KG. Don't get be wrong, I like KG but his salary is albatross. I fear that the Suns might sacrifice their future by going after him. I like what BC867 mentioned about going after Gasol or someone like him. Maybe Marion will go for this with Ivaronni there. The Suns have 4 draft picks in the next two years as well. I mean the SA series was a toss-up. In other words the Suns did not fall short on talent but depth. The Suns have a lot of chips. They do not have to do an overhaul and hurt their title chances into the future.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Hung up?!?

kg/amare/nash/bell/diaw wins the finals

like, for seriously

 

[The Commish]

The problem is that if Marion nixes any deal that involves us bringing in KG and he is back playing for us next year the fans won't forget - we will all view him as a selfish bastard that prevented from us getting KG and perhaps a title.

 

[dodie53]

The problem is that if Marion nixes any deal that involves us bringing in KG and he is back playing for us next year the fans won't forget - we will all view him as a selfish bastard that prevented from us getting KG and perhaps a title.

marion will not be appreciated for real..

 

[SirStefan32]

If Marion hold the Suns hostage and we don't get KG because of him, he should be booed every time he touches the ball, until coaching staff decides not to play him at all.

 

[Rab]

Marion is in a tough postition here if you think about it. Even if he doesn't want to play in Boston or Minny (though I see no reason why Boston would be so terrible to play for) and threatens to opt-out after next season, he's still going to have to play hard. If he is going to opt-out or look for an extension that's worth anything, he's going to have to play this year like it's a contract year. I don't think he's going to opt-out of his deal anyway, because he's not going to get another max contract. He needs to be playing to convince whoever to pay him as much as possible. I think the Celtics or whoever should call his bluff.

A guy like Shawn Marion does not have the kind of pull that Kobe or KG has in a situation like this. He's not a superstar. He's not a top 7-8 player in this league like Kobe and KG have been for years now. I really hope a potential deal for KG is not taken away because of Shawn Marion, and I think it will put the Suns in a position where they would then have to trade him because there could already be some sour feelings from Marion, as well as some of his teammates towards Shawn.

It's going to be a really tough deal to pull off. I just hate to think that it could be Marion who essentially destroys this deal.

 

[AsUdUdE]

That's just not true. Marion is no cancer. Come on now. Yes, he complains in the media, but his teammates like him, and let's face it, Shawn Marion the person seems VERY likable.

ok the word CANCER right now at this moment may be a strong word, but he is rapidly becomoing one..

Think about it this way... This year, he may be ok, but the rumors will continue to spread, and with every team Marion says he is NOT going to, the distraction will grow... but maybe THIS year we can surpress the distraction with our annual "we can't control what the front office does" and play hard and compete for a championship.. Ill buy that...

but what happends next summer when Marion demands that Max extention and the Suns fight hard not to start laughing at him.... Then he REALLY feels underapprciated and this time lashes out.. because though he feels underapprciated now, he still has 17 million reasons to look at the bright side.... but if he thinks he's not gong to get paid either.. the SH%! will hit the fan..

Then ALL season the team will constantly have to answer the question of "will he stay" when everyone clearly will see the writing on the wall, knowing Marion will bolt phoenix for nothing....and how is that going to make his teammates feel.. knowing he purposefully blocked a trade for a superstar, only to leave phoenix out to dry a year later...

So Marion will not only be CANCER and a distraction in the lockerroom, but he will leave the suns for nothing.....

This is why I feel like he is dangerous to the suns organization...IMO

 

[Mainstreet]

If Marion hold the Suns hostage and we don't get KG because of him, he should be booed every time he touches the ball, until coaching staff decides not to play him at all.

I don't think Marion would block a trade if he considered it the right situation. I understand Marion does not want to go to a rebuilding team. I'm not trying to defend Marion but try to roll with the flow. All I'm saying is that the Suns should be looking at other trade proposals instead of just Garnett. The Suns do not have that big a hole that only a Garnett can fill.

 

[azirish]

Stop this nonsense. The deal is NOT being halted by Marion. It's being halted by Kevin McHale.

McHale does not want to do a cap dump. IMHO, that is the only way any kind of deal could be done because no team can afford to give up enough trading pieces to do a value trade.

The three way trade with Boston only works if it turns Marion into expiring contracts and a lottery pick. But that's not what McHale wants and there is zero evidence he's interested in any variation on the cap dump scenerio.

Attacking Marion is totally unjustified. His decision has nothing to do with why KG will not become a Sun.

 

[Mainstreet]

Stop this nonsense. The deal is NOT being halted by Marion. It's being halted by Kevin McHale.

McHale does not want to do a cap dump. IMHO, that is the only way any kind of deal could be done because no team can afford to give up enough trading pieces to do a value trade.

The three way trade with Boston only works if it turns Marion into expiring contracts and a lottery pick. But that's not what McHale wants and there is zero evidence he's interested in any variation on the cap dump scenerio.

Attacking Marion is totally unjustified. His decision has nothing to do with why KG will not become a Sun.

I can't believe Suns fans are talking about Marion like a piece of garbage. He's an all-star player the last time I looked. If the Suns must move Marion let his agent find some teams that are interested. I just think the fans are locked-in on KG. I believe the Suns biggest problem is quality depth.

 

[Rab]

Stop this nonsense. The deal is NOT being halted by Marion. It's being halted by Kevin McHale.

McHale does not want to do a cap dump. IMHO, that is the only way any kind of deal could be done because no team can afford to give up enough trading pieces to do a value trade.

The three way trade with Boston only works if it turns Marion into expiring contracts and a lottery pick. But that's not what McHale wants and there is zero evidence he's interested in any variation on the cap dump scenerio.

Attacking Marion is totally unjustified. His decision has nothing to do with why KG will not become a Sun.

It could be a combination of both, but teams are going to be soured on any deal knowing that Marion is going to threaten opt-out.

I do agree with you about McHale though. I think the better road for him to travel would be to take expiring deals and drafts picks, and move on that way. It's not possible to get fair trade value for a superstar player. The problem with the Wolves is that they are not on the brink of even making the playoffs with Garnett as is, so chances are nothing they are going to bring in for him is going to help them there. I think they start from ground zero again, and build up cap room and draft picks. This team could be right back in the playoffs within 2-3 years.

 

[AsUdUdE]

Stop this nonsense. The deal is NOT being halted by Marion. It's being halted by Kevin McHale.

McHale does not want to do a cap dump. IMHO, that is the only way any kind of deal could be done because no team can afford to give up enough trading pieces to do a value trade.

The three way trade with Boston only works if it turns Marion into expiring contracts and a lottery pick. But that's not what McHale wants and there is zero evidence he's interested in any variation on the cap dump scenerio.

Attacking Marion is totally unjustified. His decision has nothing to do with why KG will not become a Sun.

so In your opinion, If Marion Ok'd the deal to go to boston, the Wolves would reject a trade of the would give them Green, Wally (or Theo), KT, #5, #24, #29, 2008 ATL pick, for Garnett?

Im not McHale, but that trade would significantly help that organization... and to make the deal (even though Im totally against it) if the suns threw in Barbosa?? I think if Marion would go to Boston, Minnesota would be ******** not to accept that deal.....

I think it is Marion that is stopping this deal, even though he may not be stopping a direct trade, he is affecting the overall trade ideas for us obtaining KG...IMO

 

[azirish]

I can't believe Suns fans are talking about Marion like a piece of garbage. He's an all-star player the last time I looked. If the Suns must move Marion let his agent find some teams that are interested. I just think the fans are locked-in on KG. I believe the Suns biggest problem is quality depth.

Marion is not a piece of garbage (though some people make it sound that way so we won't be so upset when they try to trade him). However, his value is as a complementary player who puts up great numbers while not being the focus of the offense. Look at the Nuggets for an example of two guys who have to have the ball all the time.

IMHO, to make optimal use of Marion, you need a running team with a top point guard. His value is particularly important for the Suns small ball lineup because he's a matchup problem when on offense but can do a pretty good job defending most inside guys.

But not many teams can make optimal use of his skills and the lack of value offers for him shows he is paid well above market rate for what he does. It is particulary true when he is asked to play without a great PG.

 

[asudevil83]

Stop this nonsense. The deal is NOT being halted by Marion. It's being halted by Kevin McHale.

McHale does not want to do a cap dump. IMHO, that is the only way any kind of deal could be done because no team can afford to give up enough trading pieces to do a value trade.

The three way trade with Boston only works if it turns Marion into expiring contracts and a lottery pick. But that's not what McHale wants and there is zero evidence he's interested in any variation on the cap dump scenerio.

Attacking Marion is totally unjustified. His decision has nothing to do with why KG will not become a Sun.

$10 bucks says that if this trade doesnt go through, we will have an offseason of:

1.) complete garbage trades in which we give up marion
2.) NONSTOP Marion hating about how he destroyed our franchise
3.) NONSTOP Marion hating about how he's so selfish

and non of it will be justified. it just goes to show how much we are all fair-weather fans. we can turn on our players on a whim, and we do it all the time.

 

[AsUdUdE]

$10 bucks says that if this trade doesnt go through, we will have an offseason of:

1.) complete garbage trades in which we give up marion
2.) NONSTOP Marion hating about how he destroyed our franchise
3.) NONSTOP Marion hating about how he's so selfish

and non of it will be justified. it just goes to show how much we are all fair-weather fans. we can turn on our players on a whim, and we do it all the time.

So.. your saying when he forces his way out of phoenix, either by walking, or by forcing a completly ******** trade you won't blame him????

wow.... thats all I can say wow..... DO you have McDyess on your wall right now? What about Robert Horry?