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What SEC linemen said about Josh Allen
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17 sacks in 13 games one season, bosa had 17 sacks in 29 games.
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How did Allen do playing against ranked teams in his career 12 games 4 Sacks(3 of those versus Penn St in last Bowl game).so where was the Sack production in the other games versus ranked teams?ONE sack in 11 games doesn't exactly jump out at you.
Bosa 11 games 7.5 Sacks versus ranked teams.
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People seem to forget that you have to be able to play run defense also in the NFL unless you are basically a passrush specialist.If that is the case then a player who can pass rush And defend the run well is the better option.
wkycardsfan
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I honestly stay out of the Bosa vs Allen discussion anymore and just read but like a fool I am going to jump in here. First of all do any of you realize that Allen was a WR until Senior year of high school compared to Bosa who has been groomed since he could walk to be a DE by his family. Allen has improved each year against the run.... still has room for improvement obviously. BW52 says he only had 4 sacks in his career against ranked teams. I'm not even going to look up the facts but 3 vs Penn St, strip sack vs Florida to end the game is 4 right there just this year. Abused Miss St and S.Carolina who were both ranked teams this year. S. Carolina ended up not being ranked but were in top 15 at the time of the game. Miss St was ranked all season so those numbers aren't true only taking in 2018.
As far as this article being put out by UK PR again not true. The original article that the one linked was taken off of was a writer on NFL.com. Regardless of who wrote the article the answers were still the players answers. The combine numbers as I said in another thread Allen made a mistake by adding weight (why I don't know) that hurt his numbers. McSorley saying Allen was better is a video again put out by a NFL.com guy put on twitter nothing to do with UK PR.
I have changed my opinion greatly of Bosa with him going through drills at he combine and would be glad to see us take him #1. My honest opinion is that Bosa has the higher floor due to years of being groomed by his family and Allen has the higher ceiling with his athleticism and the pure fact that the guy started playing defense as a HS Senior. His Freshmen season at UK he was a ST player and a pure OLB. Soph season he wasn't used as a edge rusher again mostly dropping into coverage. His Jr and Sr season's is when he was moved to Jack and used as an edge rusher. Lastly in spite of a combine performance Allen himself wasn't pleased with he still matched Bosa across the board including the bench where Bosa (according to some of you) had superior strength. The production is obvious, no injury concerns and considered high character. Also I never hear any of you mention Bosa's ACL injury in HS just pretending this core muscle injury is the only injury history Bosa has. If we take Bosa #1 I think it is a good pick and will be happy but a lot of you guys pretend the difference between Bosa and Allen is much wider than the reality. And then there is Bosa himself saying he would prefer to be a DE in a 4-3 defense.
As far as this article being put out by UK PR again not true. The original article that the one linked was taken off of was a writer on NFL.com. Regardless of who wrote the article the answers were still the players answers. The combine numbers as I said in another thread Allen made a mistake by adding weight (why I don't know) that hurt his numbers. McSorley saying Allen was better is a video again put out by a NFL.com guy put on twitter nothing to do with UK PR.
I have changed my opinion greatly of Bosa with him going through drills at he combine and would be glad to see us take him #1. My honest opinion is that Bosa has the higher floor due to years of being groomed by his family and Allen has the higher ceiling with his athleticism and the pure fact that the guy started playing defense as a HS Senior. His Freshmen season at UK he was a ST player and a pure OLB. Soph season he wasn't used as a edge rusher again mostly dropping into coverage. His Jr and Sr season's is when he was moved to Jack and used as an edge rusher. Lastly in spite of a combine performance Allen himself wasn't pleased with he still matched Bosa across the board including the bench where Bosa (according to some of you) had superior strength. The production is obvious, no injury concerns and considered high character. Also I never hear any of you mention Bosa's ACL injury in HS just pretending this core muscle injury is the only injury history Bosa has. If we take Bosa #1 I think it is a good pick and will be happy but a lot of you guys pretend the difference between Bosa and Allen is much wider than the reality. And then there is Bosa himself saying he would prefer to be a DE in a 4-3 defense.
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1.Bench press Bosa 29 Allen 28
2.Bosa was part of a rotation his first 2 seasons -so much for Allen s excuses
3.The stats came from college stat database and listed what the teams where ranked when played against.
4.Bosa also says he can and will play either 3-4 or 4-3 or OLB.Bosa is mentioned as having very good playing strength and excellent technique and work ethic.Easy choice is Bosa IMHO.Bosa checks all the boxes as a #1 pick.
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You’re not fooling me guy who created multiple Kentucky fan accounts around the same time.
wkycardsfan
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I'm really not disagreeing with you I think Bosa is a fine pick at #1. There is a reason Allen will go #2-3 range and it isn't because he is a bum .
Dvontel lmao believe whatever you want to believe but I have one account here period. I read this site for years before joining and I always considered you very knowledgable in reading your posts. You keep using Ferguson as a outlier when you know that he put those numbers up in the CUSA.
wkycardsfan
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Wherever Allen lands in the draft I think the guy will be a stud once he improves against the run. I think his career will be right there with Bosa's assuming both can remain healthy. I know many of you don't agree with that and I don't care that is just my opinion. The guy is still learning the position and a NFL coaching staff will help improve his weaknesses against the run. 29 reps by Bosa vs 28 by Allen shows the strength is comparable so he is plenty strong enough to hold his own at the point of attack. It's technique that is lacking and that is coachable.
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Never said Allen was a bum.He is a fine player.I just think Bosa fills more boxes for the #1 pick and is the more complete all-around player.
wkycardsfan
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Bosa played on a team with multiple high draft picks around him in the front 7. Allen played on a team where most of the talent around him on D was the DB's. It would have been hard to double team Bosa and chip him with a RB due to the players around him...where Allen was the sole focus of teams playing Kentucky on the front 7. Bosa facing one on one matchups should have lead to more sacks than a man with a T and TE blocking him and a RB chipping him?
Also Allen's 17 sacks in 2018 is the most in a season in the SEC since the conference started keeping the stat in 2000. There has been a couple good defensive players come out of the SEC in the last 18 seasons surely we all can agree on that. If Allen put up 17 sacks with Alabama this season the narrative would be completely different and viewed differently instead of at Kentucky. Again on a team where he was the lone threat to get to the QB. Technique and sticking to his assignment in the run game (both coachable issues) needs improvement but he is far from a pass rusher only. Bosa uses technique that he has been working on for years to get to the QB. Allen uses Athleticism right now so what will he be once he gets better technique? Again this was his 2nd year as a jack OLB (edge rusher) at Kentucky so to expect his technique to match Bosa today is crazy but the production and combine numbers already match Bosa. To say Allen doesn't have way more room to grow as an edge rusher compared to Bosa is just insane.
This isn't all directed at any one person and definitely not BW52 but BW you have said multiple times on here that you can get a similar player to Allen much later in the draft. You can get an edge rusher later in the draft for sure but not one with Allen's potential upside to go with college production in the SEC as a raw pass rusher.
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I have a question from those who know LBs better than I do... would you say Allen compares to Karlos Dansby, because that is what I am thinking
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Fair enough.I have changed some of my view on Allen .1st Rd talent for sure.Still needs more work to become a complete player.Not a knock on him and that mean he has untapped potential and the question is can he reach that potential.I think it is a question of risk and reward in my view.Bosa might not be the flashy highlight reel type to some fans but a very good solid steady player who can be your starter for years and produce Pro-Bowl seasons.That might now be fancy enough or splashy enough for some fans.......but a solid defensive guy who rushes the passer and plays the run well is a winner IMHO.I guess the FO has to decide if they want to take a chance on potential or take a safer choice.To me the choice is the guy who likely is the complete player now instead of risking the pick.Rather be safe instead of taking a unnecessary chance.
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https://usatodayhss.com/2015/ohio-state-bound-defensive-end-nick-bosa-suffers-torn-acl
Again since so many of you want to pretend this didn't happen.
Again since so many of you want to pretend this didn't happen.
wkycardsfan
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Solid post and points that we agree on. It would be safe to say Bosa's numbers will be better their rookie season that I would never argue. Allen's bust chances are higher due to Bosa having a higher floor and being a safer pick
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A knee injury in High School and you bring this up?You do know there is rehab and strengthening injured parts.Has he missed any time since because of his knee....I don't think so.
wkycardsfan
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I have read on here more times than I can count that Bosa doesn't have a history of injuries only the core muscle injury this year nothing prior. Just pointing out that just isn't true so yeah I provided a link proving it.
Both are solid players. Impossible to know what the future holds for either. Bosa is great all around player and it's easier to know what you're getting by looking at what Joey has done. When you think about work ethic and dedication it's hard to imagine the Bosa brothers are not shoe-ins there. Beyond typical football competitiveness they are also competing against each other and family legacy is a big thing to them. Both have been groomed since a young age to be the best at this position. John was a bust by most standards but seeing Joey have success is a great indicator for Nick. Nick has also been spending a lot of time with Joey, training and practicing and such since departing OSU and I'm sure that gives him an advantage over most rookies for NFL transition. Joey did hurt is foot last season but seems like he recovered well.
Either could be great, a bust or in-between but I would take Bosa because I think the bust risk is much smaller than most other picks and his versatility.
Either could be great, a bust or in-between but I would take Bosa because I think the bust risk is much smaller than most other picks and his versatility.
wkycardsfan
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We won't be drafting Joey Bosa we would be drafting Nick. What Joey has accomplished proves absolutely nothing about what Nick will be (which I think is a damn fine pro) in his career. If being someone's brother had any bearing on the other's ability then Mike Trout's brother should be the 2nd best player in MLB instead of whatever job he does for a living.
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I haven't seen Bosa play very much but I have seen Allen play quite a bit....He is the real deal....Someone will be very happy they picked him....
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Wkycardsfan is not two different accounts, he's his own person. I'm "cardsfaninlouky" I started this thread & a total different person. He lives in Webster county, western part of Kentucky, I live in louisville, ky so there goes your multiple account Kentucky fan theory. Both of us are lifelong cardinals fans who BTW actually are lifelong Kentucky fans also. You obviously don't want the cardinals drafting Josh Allen, I get it, however we know what allen can do because of watching him for the last 4 yrs. I'm fine with the cardinals drafting bosa, will thrill me to death, I also would be thrilled if we traded down to #4 with the raiders, take allen #4 & get their #27 pick & maybe more? Why? Team needs much more than one pass rusher & Josh Allen can do everything bosa can, so why not get a pass rusher, one that can actually cover a TE & gain another 1st round pick? Makes more sense.
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This seems to be a replay of my old Chargers fandom when people were arguing between Joey Bosa and Deforest Buckner
Chopper0080
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Josh Allen is no Nick Bosa or Brian Burns, that is for sure. I find it interesting that folks feel like it is hit against Josh Allen that he is the 3rd or 4th best EDGE defender in a loaded class. That is a pretty high designation. He is going to be a first rounder. He is probably going to go in the top 16. He just isn't the best edge player.
