what separates Suns from T'Wolves?

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I would imagine many of you consider this question sacrilege, but i'm interested in hearing what you think. I came up with a list:

1. Experience in playoffs
2. Chemistry from a season of playing together
3. KG

They don't have this famed 'big man' (other than KG, but then Suns have Amare) that all of us can't stop talking about.

1. While experience is good, their experienced guys, Cassell and Sprewell, are 35 and 34, respectively. What good is experience if you're body is too old/slow/tired up to take advantage of it?
2. Haha, chemistry seems to have dissipated with recent comments by Spree and Sam. In addition, Wally has never gotten along with KG.
3. This can't be argued. He's the best and that's what I see as the difference (kind of obvious, eh!). However, think back to what Amare was like 2 short years ago. Think of how much he's learned in such a short time. It seems to me that with him its not a question of if anymore, it's when, and when may be as soon as the coming year or next.

In addition, when I compare the overall talent level, I'd rather have Amare's supporting cast than KG's supporting cast, but I guess if someone wants to take that up for debate I'd want to hear the counter-argument.

The final point I was thinking about was that while Amare's biggest 'weakness' so far has been inability to pass from the double-team (something KG does exceedingly well), that may be a blessing in disguise. By my account, the reason KG hasn't won it all yet is an inability to get to the free-throw line when it counts. He has a career best of 6.1 attempts per game a couple years ago (dropped to 4.7 in the playoffs) while amare averaged 7.9 as a 21 year old (so far this year, he's around 10). In crunch time, KG gets 2x-teamed, and passes it out for open shots. When Amare gets 2x-teamed, he attacks the hoop and draws a foul. Obviously, Amare needs to develop a knack for passing out of the double-team, but at the same time the natural instinct to attack the hoop is what I think separates him from other PF's who have yet to win it all (Webber, KG).

The point I'm making is that Amare controls the fate of the Suns as soon as this year. If he continues playing as he has (probably next to impossible, but you never know), the Suns could be fighting big dogs THIS YEAR.

FYI, over the last 3 years, only Shaq has avg'd at least 10 fta's per game. If Amare does anything close to that while shooting near the obscene +80% he's been shooting to date, that's 8 points a game from the line! That hasn't happened since AI hit 7.9/game 3 years ago.
 

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I think there are three reasons Kevin Garnett has not been to the finals yet. They are in no particular order:

1. San Antonio
2. The LA Lakers
3. Supporting cast. Even when he has had a good supporting cast his team has suffered injuries.

Amare Stoudemire looks very good so far, but KG is just another universe. He is easily the best basketball player on earth right now.

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Joe Mama said:
I think there are three reasons Kevin Garnett has not been to the finals yet. They are in no particular order:

1. San Antonio
2. The LA Lakers
3. Supporting cast. Even when he has had a good supporting cast his team has suffered injuries.

Amare Stoudemire looks very good so far, but KG is just another universe. He is easily the best basketball player on earth right now.

Joe

Every team but one gets to use that argument. I don't want to hear the "I should have won a championship, but the other team was better." That's downright vomit inducing. Competition is what makes it interesting. A lot of great players didn't win championships. But you know what? They deserved to lose. The other team scored more points. But if it weren't for losing, I agree, they probably would have won.
 

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fordronken said:
Every team but one gets to use that argument. I don't want to hear the "I should have won a championship, but the other team was better." That's downright vomit inducing. Competition is what makes it interesting. A lot of great players didn't win championships. But you know what? They deserved to lose. The other team scored more points. But if it weren't for losing, I agree, they probably would have won.

No one said Kevin Garnett deserved to win a championship. I said he hasn't won a championship because he hasn't played on teams with as much talent, experience, etc. as guys like Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe Bryant, and Tim Duncan. Do you honestly believe that Kobe Bryant is a better basketball player than Kevin Garnett because he's won championships and KG hasn't. Please.

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Do you honestly believe that Kobe Bryant is a better basketball player than Kevin Garnett because he's won championships and KG hasn't.

That's a tough call. But one thing we know for sure is that Robert Horry is better than either of them. The numbers don't lie.
 

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While the numbers prove that Horry is clearly better than Kobe and KG I think a case could be made for Steve Kerr. He's clearly a winner that takes his teams to the next level.
 
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lets not forget 3-time champions Luc Longley and Mark Madsen. Core franchise building blocks if i ever saw them.
 

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Interesting comparing the Suns and the Wolves. I think there are some key differences.

I agree with the advantages you mentioned but there are some that go the other way.

1. Team. Minny is KG and a supporting cast. While Amare is our big presence, he is not our only presence by any means. On any given night Shawn, JJ, Q, or even Nash are as likely to go off. With Detroits win, teams are back in vogue. The Suns have a better team make-up.

2. Nash. Minny doesn't have the type of leader. KG is a leader, but his also a big man. He can't do it all. Having a floor general like Nash is huge.

3. Inside presence. KG can play inside or outside or whatever. The problem is that he has to do it all. Amare has the luxury of staying in the paint while others pick up the slack on the wings.
 

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The Twolves problem is that they can't seem to get it right when it comes to front court players other than KG. I don't follow them closely but it seems to me they have descended from Joe Smith and Nesterovic to Olowakandi, Madsen and Ervin Johnson via Reggie Slater, Gary Trent and Oliver Miller - plus probably several I forgot or never knew about. No doubt they were trying to upgrade but Olowakandi looked like a bad risk and has proved to be just that.

Us Sunnies can sympathize with that as we've had the same affliction for much longer. (I suppose the Kandiman is Minnesota's version of Luc Longley.) Seattle seems to have had that same problem since Kemp and Baker. In a way Seattle has had it worse - they've had two good bigs turn into bad blimps right before their eyes. Since those two, they've tried almost every 7 foot stiff that's come along. True there is a dearth of centers but when a Brad Miller is available these afflicted teams pay no attention. Chris Mihm might be the latest example - though he is much more of a surprise than Miller was and may yet turn out to be a one year, or less, wonder. I doubt it, though - the Lakers always seem to get centers with the greatest of ease.
 

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KG has a reputation for being a difficulat teammate. Nesterovic did not get along with him. Wally doesn't get along with him. Marbury didn't get along with him. I'm sure there are others. this kind of thing gets around and it makes it harder for them to sign free agents.
 

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George O'Brien said:
KG has a reputation for being a difficulat teammate. Nesterovic did not get along with him. Wally doesn't get along with him. Marbury didn't get along with him. I'm sure there are others. this kind of thing gets around and it makes it harder for them to sign free agents.


heck he punched out there new rookie over the summer. i mean heck they didnt even wait till training camp to start beating up on teammate.
 

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