What would you rather give up?

[slinslin]

What would you prefer to give up for TMac?

 

[scudney]

IMO, it's not even close. I would much rather give up the #7 pick. Of course, that's being a little biased, cause I'm a big JJ fan.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

JJ and the #7 pick.

 

[George O'Brien]

JJ and the #7 pick.

How about the #7 and Jacobsen?

Obviously Marion has to be included in any such deal for cap purposes. IMHO JJ is worth far more than the #3 let alone the #7.

 

[fordronken]

It's a tough decision. I think JJ could be a great player for this team, or, he could revert back to inconsistent ineptitude and lose almost all of his trade value. Getting a solid point guard in the draft while having T-Mac and Stoudemire would be a safer way to go, it seems. Then use the money left on a veteran wing player like Brent Barry who can stretch the defense, or Bruce Bowen who can guard the opposing team's best player. Another option would be someone like Manu Ginobilli. What lineup is more appealing?

PG Gordon or Harris/Barbosa/Eisley
SG Ginobilli/Jacobsen
SF McGrady/Cabarkapa
PF Amare/Lampe
C McDysse/Lampe/Voskuhl

or

PG Barbosa/Eisley
SG McGrady/Jacobsen
SF Johnson/Caparkapa
PF Amare/Lampe
C McDysse/Lampe/Voskuhl

 

[playstation]

jj is a known commodity

however, i would be willing to give up both the 7 and jj for tmac. two good players does not equal one great one, and one year of detroit pistons winning does not erase 25 years of superstars winning trophys. We can buy other decent players for the MLE in coming years, but we can't get a player of tmac's caliber but once in a blue moon.

this team as it it will not ever win a trophy, no matter how long they are allowed to 'grow together'. amare and tmac at least has a chance, with the proper surrounding pieces. those pieces will come with time, and both guys are damn young. to me, even jj and the 7 is a no brainer.

think about it like this, if we had tmac, how would you feel heading into next season versus if we kept our team intact. some might say worse, i would definitly say much better.

 

[slinslin]

I am not sure I would rather have JJ than Livingston, Smith, Gordon or Iguodala although I was probably one of the biggest JJ supporters at all times.

JJ was starting to disappear sometimes when Amare was back and his stats are a little inflated because he played like 44mpg after Marbury was traded.

 

[Mainstreet]

How about the #7 and Jacobsen?

And seriously, I would have to think about it. The 7th pick may fill that hole the Suns have at PG or possibly a potential big man if one is available in this draft.

As we have Marion, I don't think we really need T-Mac. I do agree T-Mac would give us some more offensive punch, however, I think the same can be had through free agency and/or trade.

I think there are only two franchise players possibly available (Shag and Kobe) that can carry us to the top. Without stripping the team, Kobe is the only player out there worth the money and of course there is a big dark cloud over him and the Lakers appear intent on keeping him.

 

[capologist]

Crap. I accidentally pressed the wrong button. I would rather give up JJ and keep the pick.

The pick isn’t a sure thing, but then, neither is JJ. The pick also has the advantage of being locked in to rookie scale for four years, compared to only one for JJ. Indeed, JJ is going to be a restricted free agent at the end of the season, and we may be faced with a choice of either overpaying him or losing him for nothing. Finally, if we do end up signing Kobe, then JJ becomes completely unnecessary.

Keep the pick.

 

[capologist]

No, I did not vote for Pat Buchanan. Thanks for asking.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Obviously Marion has to be included in any such deal for cap purposes.

Thats wrong. Assuming the suns move White to the Cats next week, they will have about 15-16 million in cap space.

Technically they could absorb Tmac's entire deal with only giving back picks. Of course that wouldn't happen, but we are not forced to include anyone based on cap purposes.

 

[slinslin]

We could trade Marion for TMac and Hill.

 

[Yuma]

No, I did not vote for Pat Buchanan. Thanks for asking.

You aren't in Dade County are you?

 

[George O'Brien]

I think JJ is going to be an excellent player. His decline did not come primarily from playing with Amare, but because teams began to do the kind of press zone defense against him that gave Kobe problems.

Another issue was that JJ played a tremendous number of minutes over the season and I think he lost some of his zip because of it. JJ was the team's PG (4.4 apg), their primary defender, and his offense opened things up for late season improvements by Amare and Marion. JJ averaged 4.7 rpg and 1.13 steals per game.

I don't have his overall stats since the trade, but considering that he improved his shooting percentage from 39% at the time of the trade to 43% it must have been close to 45%. Inspite of a terrible first two and a half months, JJ ended up averaging 16.7 ppg.

For this you want Josh Childress?

 

[capologist]

I think JJ is going to be an excellent player.

Maybe... maybe not. I see him as somebody who may turn out to be great, or may not—just like the #7 pick.

I don't have his overall stats since the trade, but considering that he improved his shooting percentage from 39% at the time of the trade to 43% it must have been close to 45%. Inspite of a terrible first two and a half months, JJ ended up averaging 16.7 ppg.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/splits?statsId=3520 breaks it down. 42.4% FG after the All-Star break. His final numbers were good primarily because of a kick-ass month of January and early Feb.

JJ’s numbers are nice, but they are not a guarantee of future greatness, considering that he has not yet shown how long he can sustain them. Indeed, they are strikingly similar to numbers posted by Ricky Davis in 2002-03, by Larry Hughes in 2000-01 (and post-trade in 1999-2000), by Cory (not Courtney) Alexander in 1997-98, by Kendall Gill in 1996-97, and by Calbert Chaney in 1994-95.

Suppose we trade Marion and #7 for McGrady, McGrady gets hurt, and JJ has another nice season while the team sucks again. Then, when he is a RFA next year, he will have played very well for a year and a half on a crappy team — just like Hughes did when he first got to Golden State. At that point, IMO, we still can’t be very secure about what kind of career he will have, or whether he can do it on a great team, but we will be at a point where we may have to give him the big contract or let him go for nothing. With the #7 pick, we get four full years to evaluate him before we have to make that decision.

For this you want Josh Childress?

Where in this thread did anybody say anything about Josh Childress?