What's the best QB to draft for this team?

[desertdawg]

John Clayton in an interview with Doug & Wolf on Friday said that the Eagles would probably want two #1 picks for Kolb.
IMO he is not worth that much.

I'd give them a first and a third if Kolb would sign a new contract with us.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Luck by a freaking mile. We'd win the division next year.

 

[Proteus]

John Clayton in an interview with Doug & Wolf on Friday said that the Eagles would probably want two #1 picks for Kolb.
IMO he is not worth that much.

Isn't Kolb a free agent after next season? If that's the case wouldn't it be better for the Eagles to actually get something before he leaves in free agency to be a starter somewhere else? I don't think anybody will actually offer 2 1st round picks for him.

 

[kerouac9]

I'd give them a first and a third if Kolb would sign a new contract with us.

Kolb just signed a new contract with the Eagles: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5148880

He's signed through 2011, I guess.

The Eagles will probably keep Vick and Kolb. I'm not sold on Kolb just because he comes from Reid's notoriously QB-friendly offense and he hasn't really had that much experience. How/why is Kolb that much better than Jeff Garcia or A.J. Feely?

People are just QB crazy on this board. I understand why, but I don't understand the degree that people seem to be losing perspective. You're not going to get Kolb for a 2nd round pick, and you can't give up a Top 10 pick for him.

 

[kerouac9]

Isn't Kolb a free agent after next season? If that's the case wouldn't it be better for the Eagles to actually get something before he leaves to be a starter somewhere else?

Vick's a free agent this season. AND he's 30 years old. From what I've heard, the Eagles aren't hot to lose either quarterback this offseason, and will have to be bowled over with a trade offer to part with either of them.

 

[desertdawg]

Kolb just signed a new contract with the Eagles: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5148880

He's signed through 2011, I guess.

The Eagles will probably keep Vick and Kolb. I'm not sold on Kolb just because he comes from Reid's notoriously QB-friendly offense and he hasn't really had that much experience. How/why is Kolb that much better than Jeff Garcia or A.J. Feely?

People are just QB crazy on this board. I understand why, but I don't understand the degree that people seem to be losing perspective. You're not going to get Kolb for a 2nd round pick, and you can't give up a Top 10 pick for him.

If you see us really becoming a running team, I could understand your point. We are not, and we need a new young talented QB because
A The rams will own us this next decade
B Whiz will throw no matter what, might as well get the best
C Our running game is a joke

I don't feel I am losing perspective at all, our biggest problem is QB by far. The defense has some talent and can be fixed much easier with a new DC with some balls. That and some knowledge of what certain players can and can't do in his scheme.

Call me crazy, Wheel in Garcia, and we are in the same spot in two years. Feely is a joke, you feel me. Bring in some friggin talent that doesn't make Whiz look ******** for throwing it so much. Other teams have payed or traded up the wazoo to get the types of QBs we have the opportunity to lock down, and they are on the way up, you can high five them on our way down my man.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Because the other guys carry less risk, as well. There are a lot of people here (including myself) who thinks this team can compete in the division without elite quarterback play as long as we're focused on running the ball and playing good defense. The Miami Dolphins have proven this, and they're in a much tougher division.

It's all right that other people aren't IN LOVE with Ryan Mallett the way you are. The talent is there, but he hasn't been able to put it all together and he hasn't won anything at this level. The Huddle Report ranks Mallett as the 3rd QB in this draft and 15th overall. Whether you like it or not, the Cards are going to be drafting in the top 5, and he'd be INSANELY overdrafted at that place. Like Akili Smith overdrafted.

Maybe if Mallett stays in school and wins the SEC/a national championship next season he'll be worthy of a Top 5 pick, but he's not there yet.

First off, I'm not in love with Mallett. I think he's going to be the QB though. Secondly, when have the Cards been foucused on running the ball and good defense?
My main concern with Mallet is his pocket awareness and is he athletic enough to move around. That something that comes with experience alot of the time. Inaccuracy doesn't. If he had all the tools buut threw the ball like DA, I would want nothing to do with him. I'm not against people not liking Mallett but it doesn't make sense to pass on him to take a guy like Devlin in round 2. The whole draft is about taking a risk. The Matt Leinart was supposed to be the most NFL ready QB in years.I've said all along, if you're going to take a QB, take the best one available to you. Don't pass up on a possible elite talent to hope a guy who couldn't cut it at PSU pans out.
Also, I know you like the Huddle report but they're not the be all, end all when it comes to scouting and draft guru's. I'll use Kiper as an example. He has Mallett as 9th. Would it be that much of a reach to take him at 5-6? I've seen the Huddle report beofre. It's a good site. But I saw nothing exceptional that would make me pay for their info. The guys at CBS sportsline, and other sites, do just as good a job, imo.

 

[SuperSpck]

Stanzi will be a developmental project.
He's got tremendous upside and terrific measurables.
He's made serious strides as a QB, but he's still got a lot of problems, like staring down receivers.
He'd be a solid pickup at the back end of the second or third round, but since we don't know what Skelton brings right now it'd be sort of redundant.

 

[Krangodnzr]

If we continue playing how we've played the rest of the year, I'd look at 3 prospects:

1. Luck: Franchise QB with all the tools. Extremely accurate and has won at a program that is extremely hard to win at.

2. Ryan Mallet: Despite his deficiencies, Ryan Mallet is a more accurate Derrick Anderson. I mean this as a complement; he's got all the pluses that Anderson brings to the tab, but he actually has shown touch and accuracy. If he was on the Cardinals team right now, I'm convinced we would have a better record.

3. Da'Quan Bowers: Sure he's not a QB, but the guy is a ferocious pass rusher and is athletic enough to move over to OLB and rush the passer. He might be good enough that even if he didn't work out well at OLB that it would force the Cardinals to move back to a 4-3. An elite DE who only comes out every few years.

 

[Krangodnzr]

We need to draft a true franchise QB. Fark drafting a Devlin or other later round guy. QB has become the most important position in football and the top guys were mostly drafted high.

As good as Fitzgerald has been, the Cards should have drafted my favorite QB Philip Rivers. We shouldn't make that mistake again.

 

[Buckybird]

Kolb just signed a new contract with the Eagles: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5148880

He's signed through 2011, I guess.

The Eagles will probably keep Vick and Kolb.

I highly doubt the Iggles will pay probably $30 mil for the 2 QB's to stay on the roster. They basically have to dump one & considering what Vick has done look for him to get a 5 year deal for around $15 mil per season. I think Kolb can be had for a #2 & 4. Someone will trade for him...guaranteed!!!

 

[WarnerHOF]

We need to draft a true franchise QB. Fark drafting a Devlin or other later round guy. QB has become the most important position in football and the top guys were mostly drafted high.

As good as Fitzgerald has been, the Cards should have drafted my favorite QB Philip Rivers. We shouldn't make that mistake again.

Delay drafting a franchise QB for another year and build DEFENSE and develop the QB projects in 2011 if Luck is not available. I'm officially starting the 2012 Matt Barkley bandwagon.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Delay drafting a franchise QB for another year and build DEFENSE and develop the QB projects in 2011 if Luck is not available. I'm officially starting the 2012 Matt Barkley bandwagon.

Naw draft the QB and use the rest of your picks/free agency money on defense and the offensive line. We already have good backs and receivers on offense, a decent defensive line and secondary.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Jake Locker. Mallet would get murdered behind this offensive line, the guy cannot move around the pocket. Locker has the mobility, and plays for an awful team with an awful offensive line. He's been carrying the Huskies for basically his entire career, and would be able to handle playing for a losing team with a porous offensive line.

 

[Buckybird]

Jake Locker. Mallet would get murdered behind this offensive line, the guy cannot move around the pocket. Locker has the mobility, and plays for an awful team with an awful offensive line. He's been carrying the Huskies for basically his entire career, and would be able to handle playing for a losing team with a porous offensive line.

Da is more accurate than Locker!!! Forget the mobility & athleticism, watch the tape...the kid blows!!!

 

[Proteus]

Jake Locker. Mallet would get murdered behind this offensive line, the guy cannot move around the pocket. Locker has the mobility, and plays for an awful team with an awful offensive line. He's been carrying the Huskies for basically his entire career, and would be able to handle playing for a losing team with a porous offensive line.

Locker can't even complete 60% of his passes on the college level.

 

[Duckjake]

Luck by a freaking mile. We'd win the division next year.

No we wouldn't because he wouldn't play until at least the second half of the season.

 

[kerouac9]

I highly doubt the Iggles will pay probably $30 mil for the 2 QB's to stay on the roster. They basically have to dump one & considering what Vick has done look for him to get a 5 year deal for around $15 mil per season. I think Kolb can be had for a #2 & 4. Someone will trade for him...guaranteed!!!

Follow the link. The contract extension was worth $12.26 million. The signing bonus was $10.7 million. Which means Kolb's making less than $2 million next season.

The Eagles will franchise Vick and take offers on either guy. Why would the Eagles sell low on Kolb? He costs them virtually nothing next year, and it's not like Vick hasn't already missed 4 games this season, which he didn't begin as the starter.

Again, why do we think that Kolb is good? 63.4% completions and 85.3 QB rating in his 4th year with a YPA under 7? With the same receiving corps last season, Donnie McNabb had a 60.3 completion percentage with a 92.9 QB rating and averaging 8.0 YPA. So you want to give up two picks for a guy who's significantly worse than Donnie McNabb?

Are you sure?

We need to draft a true franchise QB. Fark drafting a Devlin or other later round guy. QB has become the most important position in football and the top guys were mostly drafted high.

As good as Fitzgerald has been, the Cards should have drafted my favorite QB Philip Rivers. We shouldn't make that mistake again.

I agree with you, but a true franchise QB has to be out there. There are perfectly good QBs who are available in the middle of the first round--like Joe Flacco (18th overall), Josh Freeman (17th overall), Jay Cutler (11th overall), Aaron Rogers (22nd overall).

And don't pretend that you HAVE TO DRAFT A QB IN THE TOP 10 if you're going to have a top passer. Of the top 10 passers in the NFL right now according to FootballOutsiders' statistics, 3 were top 10 picks (P. Manning, M. Ryan, P. Rivers).

Your right that we shouldn't pass on the next Phillip Rivers, but let's not pretend that Ryan Mallett is even close to the same level that Phil Rivers was coming out of college. He's clearly not.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I agree with you, but a true franchise QB has to be out there. There are perfectly good QBs who are available in the middle of the first round--like Joe Flacco (18th overall), Josh Freeman (17th overall), Jay Cutler (11th overall), Aaron Rogers (22nd overall).

And don't pretend that you HAVE TO DRAFT A QB IN THE TOP 10 if you're going to have a top passer. Of the top 10 passers in the NFL right now according to FootballOutsiders' statistics, 3 were top 10 picks (P. Manning, M. Ryan, P. Rivers).

Your right that we shouldn't pass on the next Phillip Rivers, but let's not pretend that Ryan Mallett is even close to the same level that Phil Rivers was coming out of college. He's clearly not.

You don't HAVE TO DRAFT A QB IN THE TOP 10, but compared with the rest of the draft it's the surest thing. Of the top 10 ranked passers (based on passer rating) FIVE were drafted in the top 10. So your chances are much greater drafting a top QB in those picks compared with picks 11-200 something other picks.

Mallet is rated by most draft experts as better than Flacco, Freeman, Cutler, and Rodgers at this point. Other than Rodgers who many were clearly wrong on, the other 3 you mention were big time projections. Flacco played at a small school, Freeman was raw, and Cutler had all the tools but didn't win in college.

I don't think you can say he's "clearly not" on the same level as Rivers; Rivers was a 4 year starter, while Mallet has only started 2. And Mallet is playing in a MUCH stronger conference than Rivers. If Mallet stays and plays one more season, he'll match or beat all of Rivers numbers while playing 3 seasons if his career average remains the same.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The surprising thing about Rivers, who I hated btw, was that he was probably a late 2nd/early 3rd round projection until he lit it up Senior Bowl week. Talk about a guy who played ina dink and dunk offense who I thought was way overdrafted, that was Rivers. I was way off on him. He had no arm strength and a goofy delivery, now he's about the best in the league.

 

[kerouac9]

You don't HAVE TO DRAFT A QB IN THE TOP 10, but compared with the rest of the draft it's the surest thing. Of the top 10 ranked passers (based on passer rating) FIVE were drafted in the top 10. So your chances are much greater drafting a top QB in those picks compared with picks 11-200 something other picks.

Mallet is rated by most draft experts as better than Flacco, Freeman, Cutler, and Rodgers at this point. Other than Rodgers who many were clearly wrong on, the other 3 you mention were big time projections. Flacco played at a small school, Freeman was raw, and Cutler had all the tools but didn't win in college.

I don't think you can say he's "clearly not" on the same level as Rivers; Rivers was a 4 year starter, while Mallet has only started 2. And Mallet is playing in a MUCH stronger conference than Rivers. If Mallet stays and plays one more season, he'll match or beat all of Rivers numbers while playing 3 seasons if his career average remains the same.

Four of the Top 10 passers were Top 10 picks (those who weren't were Brady, Cassell, Roethlisberger, Rogers, Orton, and Romo). And even of those four, one was acquired via free agency.

Do you stand a better chance? I don't know; you're not using sound analysis to say that because the 4 of the top 10 passers are Top 10 picks, then you have to use a top 10 pick to have a top passer. How many QBs in the past 10 years have been top 10 picks and have become Top 10 passers? That's the real way to answer that question.

I can agree with you on Flacco and Freeman, but Cutler was pretty universally believed to be a Top 10 talent and said by some to be the best QB in that draft.

If Mallett stays and plays one more season, then I'd consider drafting him with a top 5 pick. But for this draft, with this player, then no, I'm not interested in using our Top 5 pick on Ryan Mallett, who hasn't won anything in college, either. But Mallett hasn't shown me that he deserves to be a top 5 pick.

I'm not saying don't draft Mallett. I'm saying don't draft him with our Top 5 pick. If you can find a legit draft ranking that has Mallett in the Top 5, I'll listen to his argument. But people here are looking to reach for need because (1) they're tired of seeing Derek Anderson be terrible, and (2) they're desperate for any hope of having a franchise quarterback. Mallett, IMO, is just not that guy.

 

[desertdawg]

What about Newton K9? I think I remember you liking the fella, yesterdays game wasn't even his best and a lot of folks across the country are now talking Cam. Would you pick him top 5?

 

[Assface]

With QB being the most important position the team needs to make a serious commitment to that position. We can't continue to hope we find a gem in a UDFA or late round pick, no FA's that "we think we can coach up" and picking up another team's trash hoping to return them to their glory days only works once in a while. If you have a chance to draft a top QB early in the draft, you do it. However, if you're going to draft a QB in the top 5 it absolutely, positively HAS TO BE the right QB. Missing on a top pick hurts with any position but it's worse with quarterbacks. Levi Brown, for example, hasn't played up to his draft position but is still a starter and contributing. Any other position that's over drafted and over payed can still contribute on some level but a QB that doesn't work out sets you back for years.

In this draft I think the only QB worthy of being picked where we'll be drafting is Luck. Mallet could turn out to be a great QB but with his question marks I'm not confident that he's a sure enough thing to be worth that kind of commitment. Not only is there the money issue but that means the team won't be considering any other QBs for the next 2-3 years if he's struggling.

If we can't get Luck I think the best option would be drafting a pass rusher like Bowers or Quinn in the first and then using our early 2nd on one of the next tier passers like Devlin or Foles.

 

[SuperSpck]

With QB being the most important position the team needs to make a serious commitment to that position. We can't continue to hope we find a gem in a UDFA or late round pick, no FA's that "we think we can coach up" and picking up another team's trash hoping to return them to their glory days only works once in a while. If you have a chance to draft a top QB early in the draft, you do it. However, if you're going to draft a QB in the top 5 it absolutely, positively HAS TO BE the right QB. Missing on a top pick hurts with any position but it's worse with quarterbacks. Levi Brown, for example, hasn't played up to his draft position but is still a starter and contributing. Any other position that's over drafted and over payed can still contribute on some level but a QB that doesn't work out sets you back for years.

IWAF
But man it's a strange dance.
Can't rely on FA, but you can't reach in the draft, but you can't be passive and if you are aggressive you can't be wrong.

Matt Leinart was the right guy in the right spot in the right circumstance, but someplace there was a disconnect.

And don't turn it into some lame coach-bashing thing.
Point blank: the right guy at the right situation, at the right time can rise up.

Matt still has a chance to be Steve Young, but he won't be a Big Ben (rapist part aside).

 

[Dayman]

For those who want Kolb, Schefter had some discouraging speculation.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=schefter_adam&page=10spot/10week12

The Eagles also could shop Kolb. But keep in mind that when they did that last offseason, they asked one team for at least two first-round picks in return, according to an NFL source. It is a stance that Philadelphia refused to budge on -- at least two first-round picks for Kolb or no deal. If the Eagles wanted that much for Kolb last offseason, there's no reason to think they would take much less this offseason.

If the conversation starts at 2 first rounders, I wouldn't even bother talking.