What's wrong with Nash?

[Gaddabout]

Apparently Nash has had pain in the abdomen since January, and last night it was a "shearing" pain in the abdomen. Doesn't sound good at all. Anyone heard anything else about it? Have they done any x-rays or anything? If I were in Nash's shape and I had pain like that, I'd be freaked out and going to specialists.

 

[Yuma]

Apparently Nash has had pain in the abdomen since January, and last night it was a "shearing" pain in the abdomen. Doesn't sound good at all. Anyone heard anything else about it? Have they done any x-rays or anything? If I were in Nash's shape and I had pain like that, I'd be freaked out and going to specialists.

Didn't hear that. I heard his back has been acting up again. OT - I just got over a wicked stomach flu that's going around, and maybe if Nash is having these stomach pains it's what I had. I had some stabbing pains and body aches, too.

 

[mojorizen7]

He's 36 and declining?

 

[Sunburn]

His skills aren't declining. It is an injury. His age might make him more susceptible to lingering injury though. He should take a couple games off to heal. That could seriously damage our playoff standings. However, we have a nice home stretch where the team might be able to get by without him for a couple. We need a healthy Nash.

 

[mojorizen7]

His skills aren't declining. It is an injury. His age might make him more susceptible to lingering injury though. He should take a couple games off to heal. That could seriously damage our playoff standings. However, we have a nice home stretch where the team might be able to get by without him for a couple. We need a healthy Nash.

Bingo.

 

[krazyasiankid]

Lets just hope that he had a bad steak at Stoudemire's restaurant. But, hopefully he can get better.. I mean, his passing and dribbling is still okay, its just his shooting?

 

[AfroSuns]

Lets just hope that he had a bad steak at Stoudemire's restaurant. But, hopefully he can get better.. I mean, his passing and dribbling is still okay, its just his shooting?

6 asst, 6 TO . 6 pts. That is not adding his horrible defense. You think that is okay??
I hope it is not a lingering injury and he gets better soon. It will be hard for this team to pull off a win without Nash.

 

[devilalum]

He's 36 and declining?

YOU WISH

 

[cly2tw]

He played way too much with constant burden of dribbling around traffic all time, for his age. Even the coaching stuff finally gave up on Nash for MVP compaign and ordered to reduce his ball handling duty and we finally have a 7 wins in 9 games streak, after the disaster in Jan.
Let Nash rest for 5 games and learn how to catch and shoot like a SG or like Stockton, we'll be more than fine.

 

[cly2tw]

His skills aren't declining. It is an injury. His age might make him more susceptible to lingering injury though. He should take a couple games off to heal. That could seriously damage our playoff standings. However, we have a nice home stretch where the team might be able to get by without him for a couple. We need a healthy Nash.

His skill per se not declining, but how teams defend him change which made him have to put in more effort yet for less effect on offense. That's more tear and wear on his body, plus less energy for defense. Thus, our atrocious record for Jan.

 

[mojorizen7]

YOU WISH

No.I wish he were traded. He could decline,recline,re-emerge,coast, whatever after that. While he's playing for us then i hope he continues to play well.

 

[krazyasiankid]

No.I wish he were traded. He could decline,recline,re-emerge,coast, whatever after that. While he's playing for us then i hope he continues to play well.

Nash is one of the best pg's in the league at the moment.. Why would you want to trade him?

 

[mojorizen7]

Nash is one of the best pg's in the league at the moment.. Why would you want to trade him?

Agreed, he is among the very best PG's to ever play the game and i love the way he compete's and conducts himself on and off the court.
But.....
1) Nash is the face of a franchise that puts a premium on offense and disregards defense(for the most part). As long as Nash is here, there's no chance for a change in this basketball culture,which will NEVER win a title,anywhere,EVER.
2) I'd like to start rebuilding something with a defensive flavor.
3) I'd like to start rebuilding something that favors higher % shots.
4) I'd like to start rebuilding something with more attitude.

 

[Chaplin]

Agreed, he is among the very best PG's to ever play the game and i love the way he compete's and conducts himself on and off the court.
But.....
1) Nash is the face of a franchise that puts a premium on offense and disregards defense(for the most part). As long as Nash is here, there's no chance for a change in this basketball culture,which will NEVER win a title,anywhere,EVER.
2) I'd like to start rebuilding something with a defensive flavor.
3) I'd like to start rebuilding something that favors higher % shots.
4) I'd like to start rebuilding something with more attitude.

The trading deadline is passed. Can't you at least hold off on trade talk until after the season?

 

[elindholm]

1) Nash is the face of a franchise that puts a premium on offense and disregards defense(for the most part). As long as Nash is here, there's no chance for a change in this basketball culture

I don't think that's necessarily true. Larry Bird was a lousy defender, but the Celtics were still able to play good team defense. You can find other examples too.

which will NEVER win a title,anywhere,EVER.

I disagree with the premise that title-contending teams evolve over 8-10 years based on a "culture." The only possible example you can point to over the last 30 years is the Pistons. Titles are won by players, by the Jordans and Duncans and O'Neals and Bryants. The Suns don't have the players to compete for a title now, but that's not in Nash's lap. Dumping him early isn't going to bring in elite talent any faster.

2) I'd like to start rebuilding something with a defensive flavor.

As we've seen the last two games, the Suns are capable of playing good defense even when Nash is on the roster. Of course, it helps when he's on the bench , but just having him around doesn't necessarily infect everyone else with bad defense.

3) I'd like to start rebuilding something that favors higher % shots.

The Nash Suns are the most efficient offensive team in the history of the league. If you expect to get higher-percentage shots by kicking him to the curb, you're in for a bitter disappointment.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I don't think that's necessarily true. Larry Bird was a lousy defender, but the Celtics were still able to play good team defense. You can find other examples too.



I disagree with the premise that title-contending teams evolve over 8-10 years based on a "culture." The only possible example you can point to over the last 30 years is the Pistons. Titles are won by players, by the Jordans and Duncans and O'Neals and Bryants. The Suns don't have the players to compete for a title now, but that's not in Nash's lap. Dumping him early isn't going to bring in elite talent any faster.



As we've seen the last two games, the Suns are capable of playing good defense even when Nash is on the roster. Of course, it helps when he's on the bench , but just having him around doesn't necessarily infect everyone else with bad defense.



The Nash Suns are the most efficient offensive team in the history of the league. If you expect to get higher-percentage shots by kicking him to the curb, you're in for a bitter disappointment.

+1.

Kudos for being the voice of reason.

 

[devilalum]

I don't think that's necessarily true. Larry Bird was a lousy defender, but the Celtics were still able to play good team defense. .

That's because they always had 2 or 3 good defenders on the floor with him.

Ironically I feel I should point out that the Suns traded one of the best defensive guards ever to play the game to the Celtics for Rick Robie.

The Suns also threw in a number one. I guess Kerr and Sarver weren't the first idiots to occupy the Suns front office.

 

[Covert Rain]

I don't think that's necessarily true. Larry Bird was a lousy defender, but the Celtics were still able to play good team defense. You can find other examples too.

Larry wasn't Nash bad and he was surrounded with some good defenders.

As we've seen the last two games, the Suns are capable of playing good defense even when Nash is on the roster. Of course, it helps when he's on the bench , but just having him around doesn't necessarily infect everyone else with bad defense.

It does when he is out on the floor. He forces our team into bad rotations or forces our bigs to rotate over to protect the paint. The "Nash on the Bench" moments don't come to often when he is on the floor 35 minutes or more per game.

The Suns have always shown the ability or flashes of defense. However, it is never sustained. Especially, in the playoffs they have proved time and time again the inability to get stops when needed.

The Nash Suns are the most efficient offensive team in the history of the league. If you expect to get higher-percentage shots by kicking him to the curb, you're in for a bitter disappointment.

Most productive but most efficient? If you look at the numbers the team is getting less high percentage points in the paint and putting up more shots from outside. Fortunately the Suns are blessed with jump shooting talent and have been built that way since D'Antoni got here.

You can still remain efficient if you build your team around the post up game. I will trade in jump shooting for post points any day of the week. Time and time again we see what happens when the Suns don't shoot well. Usually they can't stay in games because of their piss poor defense.

History shows you don't have to be an offensive power house to win titles and you definitely need defense. I could care less if the Suns are the most prolific offensive team in history if they don't have anything to show for it but the fans admiration of "how fun it was".

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The defense is much better with Robin Lopez on the floor. As long as he doesn't pick up cheap fouls, I think our defense is average.

 

[Covert Rain]

The defense is much better with Robin Lopez on the floor. As long as he doesn't pick up cheap fouls, I think our defense is average.

We are still ranked 29th in the league. I hardly call that average. Let's see where we finish before calling us even average.

 

[Mulli]

"Now there's a steal by Bird...underneath to DJ... He lays it in......"

 

[Bufalay]

Ironically I feel I should point out that the Suns traded one of the best defensive guards ever to play the game to the Celtics for Rick Robie.

Ironicallyer the Suns gave the best defensive PG in the NBA today to Boston 4 yrs ago.

 

[SactownSunsFan]

We are still ranked 29th in the league. I hardly call that average. Let's see where we finish before calling us even average.

Lopez also missed the first month, was played sparingly in December and didn't get the starting spot until mid-to-late January. Had he been the starter since day one, I would suspect our defense to be ranked much higher.

 

[elindholm]

We are still ranked 29th in the league.

What statistic are you using? Points per game is almost meaningless, and I would be surprised if the Suns ranked 29th in points per possession.

 

[Covert Rain]

Lopez also missed the first month, was played sparingly in December and didn't get the starting spot until mid-to-late January. Had he been the starter since day one, I would suspect our defense to be ranked much higher.

The Suns have been in a battle for the worst defense in the league all season long and your asserting just with Robin we would be much higher?

With Robin in the starting lineup the Suns are giving up 104.3 PPG on average. If the Season started today that would still qualify the Suns for the 25th worst defense in the NBA (down from 29th).

I don't buy it.