When a dual threat QB is no longer a dual threat

[Southpaw]

I give you Cam Newton.

Will future dual threat QBs have a similar career legnth as RBs.

Take note Lamar, Kyler, Dax, etc.

 

[BigRedRage]

It depends though on a few factors, how much damage they take, how they run and how often they choose to run. Russell Wilson was/is dual threat, steve young, others. Cam Newton is a big dude and chose to play physical football any chance he could where Russell and Young only took what was given to them. McNabb had a pretty long career.

Looking at a list of dual threat QBs, none have had a Brady length career but very few single threat QBs do either.

 

[WisconsinCard]

It just proves that QBs must be well rounded to have continued success. They need to be able to beat you with their legs or from the pocket. I believe this is why K1 is struggling. Once they take his legs out of the equation he can't make teams pay from the pocket.

 

[TaylorSwift]

It just proves that QBs must be well rounded to have continued success. They need to be able to beat you with their legs or from the pocket. I believe this is why K1 is struggling. Once they take his legs out of the equation he can't make teams pay from the pocket.

No qb is succeeding in this offense.

 

[TaylorSwift]

Poor argument.

Andrew Luck is out of the league.


Cam's arm is shot

Lamar simply doesnt have the arm talent.

Kyler? His offensive scheme is trash.

Nothing I see is an argument against mobile qbs.

 

[WisconsinCard]

No qb is succeeding in this offense.

Well that's just not true. We were very successful early in the year. We we're one of the highest scoring teams and it wasn't from getting short fields from turnovers either.

 

[Hoodhero]

Cam whipped the best Cards team we have seen in years on his way to Superbowl. Let's not forget past accomplishments is all im saying.

 

[TaylorSwift]

Well that's just not true. We were very successful early in the year. We we're one of the highest scoring teams and it wasn't from getting short fields from turnovers either.

That was due to teams inability to cover Kylers running.

Now teams mesh rush, force Kyler to give and we are a poor running team.

That creates terrible 3rd and long situations where the defense knows there is an almost 90 percent chance Dhop is on the left side of the field and will be going left.

 

[BigRedRage]

Poor argument.

Andrew Luck is out of the league.


Cam's arm is shot

Lamar simply doesnt have the arm talent.

Kyler? His offensive scheme is trash.

Nothing I see is an argument against mobile qbs.

The argument is about length of career with dual threat QBs. The sample size is not huge and the majority do not have long careers.

 

[DVontel]

The problem isn’t dual-threat, the problem is that seems like the younger QBs get hurt easier nowadays.

Look at Lock, Minshew, & Jones. None are looked at as dual-threats(especially Lock & Minshew), but all have battled injuries this season. Jimmy G’s a bit older, but he has struggled to stay healthy his career so far.

 

[TheCardFan]

No qb is succeeding in this offense.

 

[TheCardFan]

I give you Cam Newton.

Will future dual threat QBs have a similar career legnth as RBs.

Take note Lamar, Kyler, Dax, etc.

I think your point is mostly one dimensional QB's (Vick was another one).

I believe Kyler is a much better passer than Lamar, Cam, etc (needs improvement obviously) but needs to learn how to take advantage of teams that are taking away the run.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Poor argument.

Andrew Luck is out of the league.


Cam's arm is shot

Lamar simply doesnt have the arm talent.

Kyler? His offensive scheme is trash.

Nothing I see is an argument against mobile qbs.

I don't think this is an affront to mobile QBs. I take the point to be: 1) defenses eventually catch up to them from a scheme standpoint; 2) they tend to take a beating and 3) the longer they are in the league they become less mobile as they age and if they do not have the skill, desire, or ability to develop their passing game (namely pocket passing) they will be relegated to mediocre at best.

 

[Russ Smith]

The problem isn’t dual-threat, the problem is that seems like the younger QBs get hurt easier nowadays.

Look at Lock, Minshew, & Jones. None are looked at as dual-threats(especially Lock & Minshew), but all have battled injuries this season. Jimmy G’s a bit older, but he has struggled to stay healthy his career so far.

Jones has over 400 yards rushing he's absolutely dual threat, but yes seems to get hurt often and as I said in the other thread fumbles and INT's have plagued his young career and takes way too many sacks.

 

[nashman]

He needs better Coaching period, he has the same talent as say Wilson in Seattle he just needs to learn to better read defenses, also more importantly a coach who is creating opportunities instead of trying to stand him In a non existent pocket and throw 6 yard passes! He has plenty of arm talent to hit guys down field it’s an absolute joke this team doesn’t go down field enough even with Hopkins we are wasting him on 6-9 yard routes geesh!

 

[Russ Smith]

I don't think this is an affront to mobile QBs. I take the point to be: 1) defenses eventually catch up to them from a scheme standpoint; 2) they tend to take a beating and 3) the longer they are in the league they become less mobile as they age and if they do not have the skill, desire, or ability to develop their passing game (namely pocket passing) they will be relegated to mediocre at best.

Luck and Cam it's about the way they played the hits they took. Wilson is 32, 10th year in the NFL and he's never missed a game, because he doesn't take big hits he gets down or runs out of bounds or throws the ball away. For the most part Kyler does that too. Wilson is bigger but the way Kyler got hurt is one of those unavoidable plays, guy fell on him tackling him, not much you can do about that. But he rarely takes big hits which is why people complain when he slides short and I disagree, he's playing the long game.

Now we just have to hope like Rodgers or Wilson, that Kyler makes that next step and learns to throw on the run, reset, keep plays alive etc. Right now he really doesn't once he starts moving around it's usually a run, or a throw away

 

[Card'em]

Kyler should get better completing passes once he leaves the pocket. Teams work on the scramble drill where both quarterback and wide receivers learn to react together when the quarterback takes off from the pocket. I think missing the off-season practice sessions probably hurt the development of this aspect of Kyler's game.

 

[Chopper0080]

Ultimately, it is easier to scheme to stop a QB from running than it is to scheme to stop a QB from passing. Near impossible to scheme to stop a guy from doing both.

 

[Chopper0080]

Kyler should get better completing passes once he leaves the pocket. Teams work on the scramble drill where both quarterback and wide receivers learn to react together when the quarterback takes off from the pocket. I think missing the off-season practice sessions probably hurt the development of this aspect of Kyler's game.

Part of this struggle is how Kyler escapes the pocket. he tends to escape out the back of the pocket and spins out which takes his eyes from down the field and enables coverage to catch up. Guys like Wilson escape up and out of the pocket which enables their eyes to stay down field, keeps them in a good throwing position, and gives them more time to find an open WR.

 

[Southpaw]

Poor argument.

Andrew Luck is out of the league.


Cam's arm is shot

Lamar simply doesnt have the arm talent.

Kyler? His offensive scheme is trash.

Nothing I see is an argument against mobile qbs.

This was not intended as an argument against "mobile" ( your label )QBs. Spin it anyway you want.

 

[Southpaw]

I don't think this is an affront to mobile QBs. I take the point to be: 1) defenses eventually catch up to them from a scheme standpoint; 2) they tend to take a beating and 3) the longer they are in the league they become less mobile as they age and if they do not have the skill, desire, or ability to develop their passing game (namely pocket passing) they will be relegated to mediocre at best.

Thank you. Exactly.

 

[WisconsinCard]

That was due to teams inability to cover Kylers running.

Now teams mesh rush, force Kyler to give and we are a poor running team.

That creates terrible 3rd and long situations where the defense knows there is an almost 90 percent chance Dhop is on the left side of the field and will be going left.

Isn't that exactly what I said? If you were not just looking to argue your point you might have read where I mention when they take a running QBs legs from him he must be able to beat you in other ways.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I think your point is mostly one dimensional QB's (Vick was another one).

I believe Kyler is a much better passer than Lamar, Cam, etc (needs improvement obviously) but needs to learn how to take advantage of teams that are taking away the run.

I really do not see the comps people are giving Kyler... Kyler to me is a much faster version of Fran Tarkenton, who currently lacks experience

 

[oaken1]

Dual threat? Hell,.... right now he ain’t even single threat