When can we expect...

[CardLogic]

an extension for Whisenhunt?

This should be the first order of business this offseason. So when should we expect it to be done?

 

[Shane]

an extension for Whisenhunt?

This should be the first order of business this offseason. So when should we expect it to be done?

Should have already been done IMO.

 

[DieHardCardFan]

Yeah this situation has me more nervous then anything. They need to lock him up for another 5-7 years right now. I obviously dont know Whis but I see him willing to take $4.5 a year $5 max. Although he could probably get $6mil elswhere. I hope I am right and I hope the Org. gets this done ASAP.

 

[Evil Ash]

Should have already been done IMO.

I agree but from the sounds of things Whiz wants to set a standard for the rest of the players to follow - Getting his extension with only one year left on his deal.

 

[Buckybird]

Should have already been done IMO.

isn't that almost always the story of the Cards front office?

 

[RedViper]

Hopefully they've got this under control. Seattle clearly just made a statement that they believe the NFC West title does not belong in the desert and they aren't afraid to throw massive amounts of money at anyone they think can take it away from us. Personally I'm glad they threw the money at a proven failure in the NFL. Nevertheless. I'm sure Whisenhunt's agent paid pretty close attention.

 

[Shane]

Hopefully they've got this under control. Seattle clearly just made a statement that they believe the NFC West title does not belong in the desert and they aren't afraid to throw massive amounts of money at anyone they think can take it away from us. Personally I'm glad they threw the money at a proven failure in the NFL. Nevertheless. I'm sure Whisenhunt's agent paid pretty close attention.

Proven failure? I don't know about that.

The guy had the pats in the playoffs two out of three seasons while there.

Only was given one year with the jets. Not sure how you can judge a guy off one season. JMO.

 

[Buckybird]

Hopefully they've got this under control. Seattle clearly just made a statement that they believe the NFC West title does not belong in the desert and they aren't afraid to throw massive amounts of money at anyone they think can take it away from us. Personally I'm glad they threw the money at a proven failure in the NFL. Nevertheless. I'm sure Whisenhunt's agent paid pretty close attention.

Carroll is mucho better than Mora as an NFL HC. So the've already improved.

 

[earthsci]

Proven failure? I don't know about that.

The guy had the pats in the playoffs two out of three seasons while there.

Only was given one year with the jets. Not sure how you can judge a guy off one season. JMO.

Though I agree that it's too early to tell, I think that the "proven" part that RedViper is referring to is that every Pete Carroll NFL team has had a worse record than the team had the year before.

 

[CardLogic]

I agree but from the sounds of things Whiz wants to set a standard for the rest of the players to follow - Getting his extension with only one year left on his deal.

So you are thinking, 'No extension for Whiz until next year', when there is only a one-year (owner's) option remaining on his contract?

 

[RedViper]

Proven failure? I don't know about that.

The guy had the pats in the playoffs two out of three seasons while there.

Only was given one year with the jets. Not sure how you can judge a guy off one season. JMO.

The only extremely hard core patriots fan that I'm friends with hates Carroll more than anyone else I know that hates a sports celebrity. He would tell you that any success Carroll had came from inheriting a team built by Parcells, which Carroll then mismanaged. The Pats record did get successively worse under Carroll so I think there is an argument to be made that he did a poor job in NE. I think his NFL record is 2 games over five hundred which doesn't really seem to make him some kind of brilliant success. If you give credence to the argument that many of those win came from inheriting a fine team in the first place, he really loses traction. If Seattle fans think he's worth all that money, bully for them. But I'm not too impressed with the hire. Or by another measure, I really like it.

 

[Shane]

The only extremely hard core patriots fan that I'm friends with hates Carroll more than anyone else I know that hates a sports celebrity. He would tell you that any success Carroll had came from inheriting a team built by Parcells, which Carroll then mismanaged. I think his NFL record is 2 games over five hundred which doesn't really seem to make him some kind of brilliant success. If Seattle fans think he's worth all that money, bully for them. But I'm not too impressed with the hire. Or by another measure, I really like it.

I never said I was impressed. But to call him what you did isnt exactly true.

Is expecting anyone to live up to Parcells really fair? Not that he brought anything to NE either for that matter.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

Proven failure? I don't know about that.

The guy had the pats in the playoffs two out of three seasons while there.

Only was given one year with the jets. Not sure how you can judge a guy off one season. JMO.

He took a pretty damn good Parcells built team, and made it progressively worse every year he was there.
That's what I'll judge him on for now.

 

[RedViper]

I never said I was impressed. But to call him what you did isnt exactly true.

Is expecting anyone to live up to Parcells really fair? Not that he brought anything to NE either for that matter.

I think its fair and its certainly true. His tenure in NE can only be described as a failure in that ends with him getting fired after successively worse seasons and ultimately missing the playoffs. You can't call that success. It may sound harsher than it should but as opposed to a coach without an NFL record, his record as it stands is a failure. He's been there and he failed. Thats the book on him for the time being. Parcells would say "you are who you are."

 

[CardLogic]

Aaarrrggghhh!!!!

 

[TheHopToad]

Proven failure? I don't know about that.

The guy had the pats in the playoffs two out of three seasons while there.

Only was given one year with the jets. Not sure how you can judge a guy off one season. JMO.

With Drew Bledsoe at QB even. He should get extra credit for that.

Though I agree that it's too early to tell, I think that the "proven" part that RedViper is referring to is that every Pete Carroll NFL team has had a worse record than the team had the year before.

Carroll never had a losing season in New England, and gave way to Bill Belichick, who led the team to a 5-11 record in his first year there. Guess he must not be very good either.

Don't get me wrong though, I don't see Seattle turning it around anytime soon, but I don't think it will be because of Pete Carroll. He'll do well if he gets good enough players.

EDIT: Staying on post....we need to lock up Whiz, and now is the time.

 

[RedViper]

Carroll never had a losing season in New England, and gave way to Bill Belichick, who led the team to a 5-11 record in his first year there. Guess he must not be very good either.

Respectfully, the difference is: Belichick inherits and 8-8 team and builds it into a winner. Carroll inherits a Superbowl team and grinds it down to mediocrity. Any bonaide Pats fan (customer of the product) will judge the sum of Belichick's work as a success and Carroll's as a failure. Do you believe there is a Pats fan out there that would consider Pete's run successful? I don't.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

i'm still not sold on the hire and am pretty skeptical - but i'm starting to warm up a little - in part because I like some of the staff hires (excited to see Ken Norton Jr work with tatupu, hill & curry) - not to mention carroll himself, who bruschi has given full credit to for his development as an LB

also a lot of stuff like this keeps coming out - carroll mentioned many times in his press conference the importance of getting people to buy in at every level .... coupled with some of the comments from guys in the league at that time it sounds like he just couldn't win over the teams

parcells is a big shadow to follow and a guy there is a lot of loyalty towards .... i think it's a bit of the same issue that mora had with following holmgren

this is an article from boston that gives a different angle to his time with the pats

http://www.boston.com/sports/footba...attle_it_could_all_come_together_for_carroll/

Quite simply, the Seahawks will be his program, whereas the Patriots really never were. For owner Robert Kraft, coming off a tumultuous divorce with the coach he inherited, Bill Parcells, it was difficult to give the new man, his first hire, the power to steer the ship.

“I think that’s fair,’’ said Kraft, who placed a congratulatory phone call to Carroll Wednesday. “That experience was very helpful for me, because I saw the dissension that could be there between personnel and coaching: ‘Well, the coach isn’t playing the guy right’ or ‘He didn’t get me the right personnel.’ Every situation is different. The one thing I learned is I wanted to minimize division from within.

“I don’t think when Pete was here the organization was as supportive of him as it could’ve been to allow him to function in an ideal manner. Sometimes you meet special people, but it’s just not at the right time of your life.’’

“I think there needs to be one guy who is in charge, and has the final answers on how to run things,’’ said Steve Sidwell, Carroll’s defensive coordinator at the time. “Those things were not in place with the Patriots. There was a conscious effort there to decentralize the power, because Coach Parcells had had all of it.’’

That allowed players back channels to air complaints, going over Carroll’s head to personnel chief Bobby Grier or even Kraft.

“There were specific players that turned from Pete, you’re talking about guys like Terry Glenn,’’ said Willie McGinest. “With Bill, it was simple: ‘The buck stops here, there’s nowhere to turn, we’re going to handle it here. This is what it is.’

“It wasn’t a matter of us not being able to perform. It was being more consistent and believing. We didn’t have enough guys that bought in.’’

“I think he had time at ’SC to evolve, and learn more about coaching, game-planning, dealing with different personalities and personas, and do it on a really big stage,’’ said McGinest. “He’s evolved. I think he’ll win [in Seattle]. I’ve always thought he was a really good coach.’’

“I think Seattle is very lucky to have gotten him at this point,’’ Kraft said.

“He’ll be a lot of fun to be around, he’s had great experience, he’s a real good leader, and he’s been toughened up. I’m glad they’re in the NFC.’’

as for whisenhunt - this is a no brainer extension - i don't think there would be example issues either - as long as he stays quiet, goes about his business and takes the reward when it comes then there is no issue with behaviour modeling .... it would also show the organization being willing to reward that type of behaviour

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Interesting thing is Carroll's first 3 seasons as head coach netted him the exact same regular season record as Whis, albiet in the opposite direction:

Whis:

8-8
9-7
10-6

Carroll:

10-6
9-7
8-8