When I watch Skelton, I can't help but see John Navarre.

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And I don't disagree but you can't play regular season football with about 20 plays.

He may someday down the line be a good QB and I'm glad he played well, but I just find it amusing how quickly we went from talking about Max Hall beating him out to him beating out Leinart in the near future.

I think you can if you're Mike Vick or Vince Young, you just can't play regular season football for long with 20 plays.

Too early to say that Skelton is John Navarre or Big Ben Roethlisberger. What we can say is that Skelton played as well as--better than--anyone could have hoped, no matter the competition, at this point in the preseason.
 

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When I saw Skelton play in the preseason game I couldn't help but think of a young Daunte Culpepper. I guess it's because Skelton is such a physical specimen like Culpepper.
 

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It's just my opinion, but I caution people to not get to excited over one preseason game especially when all reports coming out of training camp are that Skelton has been awful. I have always subscribed to the theory that players either have it or they don't especially at the skill positions and that it shows early in camp. Hey, like I said, I hope I am dead wrong about Skelton. What a great thing if he is indeed a "gamer" that can turn it on and be special in games.

That is usually true, but there are a few exceptions. Some guys just plain step it up when there's cameras and giant crowds of fans. Some guys can't help but choke when the same thing happens even though they were great in camp. These are the exceptions, not the rule, but it does happen so I don't think anyone should take camp reports as the gospel for a players future.
 

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The guy still has good feet and a nice release. He's still the same 5th round value pick they thought they had. Give him a year or two wearing the headset before you write him off. There was virtually no way he could be a Roth or Flacco because the level of competition leap is massive. It's hard enough to go from major FBS to the NFL.

I haven't done my own research, but I read when he was drafted if he makes it to the 2011 roster, he will be the first Fordham guy since before WWII to do that.
 

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I have always subscribed to the theory that players either have it or they don't especially at the skill positions and that it shows early in camp.
Well, I'm glad that Kurt Warner doesn't subscribe to this theory.
 

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I don't know what it is, but he just reminds me of John Navarre. I know many on this board see the QBOF in Skelton, but I just don't see it. John Navarre had some really good preseason games his rookie year as well and look what that got him. There is just something about Skelton's game that doesn't sit right with me.

I really hope that I am dead wrong about this guy.

John Navarre could not do this in his dreams...give the kid a chance! Also a shortstop for Fordham baseball team...imagine John Navarre stumbling around in that role...

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5124133
 
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Wow... I dont think you even saw the game. Navarre never had a showing like that.

Skelton was amazing in his first performance. He completed five of six passes two TD's including a big 4th down pass. His one incompletion was dropped. He had a PERFECT 158.3 quarterback rating.

Saw what you want. But he had a great presents in the pocket. He looked off the safety one direction and threw the other.

One game is not a career. But he was not even close to a Navarre...

Here's my rebuttal:

August 21, 2004 (Pre-Season game #2) John Navarre's rookie year

Stats: 6 pass attempts and 6 completions, 93 yards and 1 touchdown, no interceptions.

Fans response: We have our QBOF!!!!!
 

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The only reason there is a comparison is the height. Burn this thread.

Exactly...

Other than the height, there is literally no other attribute these two share. The release alone should be enough to stop with this nutty comparison, as Navarre had one of the most odd deliveries I have ever seen. He had zero touch and his feet were stuck in cement. Skelton has a beautiful, prototypical delivery and a very quick release. He also demonstrated great touch and above all, he's an athlete who is quite mobile for a big man... not too unlike Rothlisberger... You would never, ever place Navarre and Rothlisberger in the same sentance!
 
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John Navarre could not do this in his dreams...give the kid a chance! Also a shortstop for Fordham baseball team...imagine John Navarre stumbling around in that role...

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5124133
That's an impressive video!

Pretty unusual for someone with that height (6'-5") to play shortstop!
Skelton could very well be that diamond in the rough that everyone is looking for...

Now, can he master more than 20 plays?
 

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When I watch Skelton, I see a guy who would do really well in Madden if I changed his stats.
 
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Well, I'm glad that Kurt Warner doesn't subscribe to this theory.


Note that Warner was told by Steve Mariucci after Warner was released in Green Bay that KW had what it takes to be an NFL QB he just needed more experience.

So he did have "it" in practice.
 

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Note that Warner was told by Steve Mariucci after Warner was released in Green Bay that KW had what it takes to be an NFL QB he just needed more experience.

So he did have "it" in practice.
From what I've read Mariucci told him that he had the potential to be an NFL QB. IMO potential is when you don't have "it" but if you work hard enough you can get "it". That was my point. Some players aren't quite ready to lead a team but with enough work they can.
 

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Note that Warner was told by Steve Mariucci after Warner was released in Green Bay that KW had what it takes to be an NFL QB he just needed more experience.

So he did have "it" in practice.
How many times will you post this? :)
 

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How many times will you post this? :)

Until people quit saying that Warner didn't have any talent coming out of college evidenced by his not making an NFL team but made himself a HOF QB simply through hard work.

Which is usually brought up by some poster at least once a month.
 

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From what I've read Mariucci told him that he had the potential to be an NFL QB. IMO potential is when you don't have "it" but if you work hard enough you can get "it". That was my point. Some players aren't quite ready to lead a team but with enough work they can.

I have a different take on that. Potential is when you have "it" but it is unpolished. I am a firm believer in "natural" talent. Millions of people work hard at golf but can't play like Phil Mickelson. Ask most Pro golfers how old they were when they first broke par and they'll say "around 12". They have "it" but they need to continue to work to refine that talent. When it comes to golf I have nothing to refine. I have no potential. So I just keep hacking it around. :sad:

It is not whether someone has "it" or not it is whether it can be recognized right away and if the individual has the mental makeup to be able to realize that potential that is the hole in the theory. If you saw me running patterns at camp you would know right away I didn't have it.

With others who do have potential it is much harder. Extremely hard in fact as evidenced by the large number of draft busts we see each year. So either you have it or you don't but telling the difference is where scouts and coaches earn their money.
 

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Until people quit saying that Warner didn't have any talent coming out of college evidenced by his not making an NFL team but made himself a HOF QB simply through hard work.

Which is usually brought up by some poster at least once a month.

Fair enough. But did Warner say Mooch said that, or did Mooch say he said it after the fact. :)
 

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Fair enough. But did Warner say Mooch said that, or did Mooch say he said it after the fact. :)

Probably after the fact considering this:

"I told Steve Mariucci, who was my quarterbacks coach, to put the young guy in," former Packers coach Mike Holmgren said. "I didn't even know his name. All I knew was that he was a good-looking, big guy. I said, 'Put him in, let him take a few snaps.' "

Warner didn't feel comfortable with the offense. He refused.
"What do you mean he won't do it?" Holmgren screamed at Mariucci.

"He says he's not ready," Mariucci said.

"It's a minicamp, for Pete's sake," Holmgren said.

"Mike, he won't do it," Mariucci said.

When practice was over, Holmgren stormed into the meeting room and confronted his personnel staff.

"I said, 'Listen, who was the guy who signed this quarterback? I've got to have a guy who is confident!' " Holmgren said.

That was the end of Kurt Warner, the Packer.

(from AZ Central Article Jan 2010)

:D
 

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Here's my rebuttal:

August 21, 2004 (Pre-Season game #2) John Navarre's rookie year

Stats: 6 pass attempts and 6 completions, 93 yards and 1 touchdown, no interceptions.

Fans response: We have our QBOF!!!!!

and it happens every year, every preseason game.
 

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John Navarre could not do this in his dreams...give the kid a chance! Also a shortstop for Fordham baseball team...imagine John Navarre stumbling around in that role...

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5124133

hey: sports science says he is as good as Peyton Manning.

I can imagine as the draft is going along, the phone in the war room at Cards HQ rings -- and its Mr B:

"Hey Rod, I saw this QB on the Discovery Channel............"
 

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Hell, Navarre couldn't even carry my jock and it's an XS...:D
 

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Navarre is actually Derek Anderson's cousin......Skeletor is Joe Flacco's cousin.
 
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