When is Kolb expected to return?

[Jetstream Green]

I do think Kolb has injury issues but I also think the line in Philly is horrible (see Vick getting creamed when it comes to their ability to pass block) and our line is even worse than horrible.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I do think Kolb has injury issues but I also think the line in Philly is horrible (see Vick getting creamed when it comes to their ability to pass block) and our line is even worse than horrible.

That Philly line in 2010 was just fine. See Vick and McCoy having career years behind it after Kolb unsurprisingly went down

 

[Russ Smith]

sorry Russ, but I do believe the above is laughable.

I also just don't see how awful Lindley was. He had three HUGE drops that would have either extended drives or put us in scoring position. Roberts dropped and short armed a damn near perfect 50 yard bomb. Floyd dropped a 9 yard gain that could have been a first down and definitely would have put us in field goal range and then Fitz dropped a PERFECT fade route pressure throw at the 2 yard line. for a guy in his first playing time... ever... on the road with no prep, and with play-calling designed to limit him as much as possible, I just don't see why people are slamming him like he was Skelton out there. Skelton's the worst QB i've ever seen and that's saying a TON considering what we've seen the last three years.

Oh I don't disagree and even that deep throw to Fitz in the first half was a good throw seemed like Fitz didn't really sell out until right at the end when he dove.

But he's a rookie and you could see him repeatedly taking the open short pass instead of looking downfield, and he stares down his guy.

I'm not saying we will win 6 in a row if Kolb started just saying if your goal is make the playoffs the only guy on the roster who might be good enough to QB 6 straight wins right now is Kolb.

I think Lindley looked ok and with a week of reps would look better but he's not NFL ready yet. Basically if nobody was wide open, he'd immediately lock onto the short guy.

Agreed on the out to Floyd too he seemed surprised the ball got there or something he dropped it and looked back like how did he get that throw there.

He has a nice arm. I haven't seen enough of him but for next season I'd take him over Skelton because I've seen enough of JS to know he's not the guy.

 

[Cheesebeef]

One minor disagreement: I think Max Hall was worse than Skelton.

man... it's close.

 

[john h]

He's the only NFL caliber QB we have.

I would guess that 90% of the posters on this board realize we do not have a NFL quality QB on this team. That includes Kolb who might make it as a backup if he can stay healthy. I do not think he will return this year.

My plan for the Cards would be to sign the best FA they can get this off season. Try to get as far up the line as you can to draft the best QB available. Cut Skelton and Sundays backup. Consider cutting Kolb due to his big salary. I do not think he will play anymore this year and due to his fragile nature is unlikely to ever be a long term answer to our QB problems. You might consider him as a backup but the money will determine that. Without a doubt we are going no where until we find a NFL qualified QB. How did we ever get into such a QB situation. A lot of NFL backups are twice as good as any of our QBs. Surely we need to sign one of them if they are a FA. I would think there has to be 1-2 NFL QBs in the draft. We need to get one.

I hate to say it but I hope we lose out so we have a shot at one of the three top QBs. Fortunately we have a number of bad teams who have recently drafted a QB and not likely to draft one this year. St Louis for example. Winning 2 or 3 more games can only hurt us IMHO.

I hate to say it but we might consider trading Fitz for a QB. He would not go for being traded to a low level team so it would have to be a team who was a contender and the QB would have to be of equal value. That would not be easy but until we look into it you never know. Fitz is probably in his prime right now at age 30. Best WR in our history and just as good a man. Some of these teams may have some quality backups who are relatively unknown and who are in bad need of a big time receiver.

 

[john h]

and when he played for Philly? come on guys... he got turf toe last year and then literally would have been out for 3 months after getting bonked in the head by a guy jogging past him after that. He didn't take a crushing, face-mask to facemask blow to the head... he got bonked and then was out of it for months. And he continually got hurt with Philly. Three straight years the guy couldn't stay healthy. Make up whatever excuses you want for him, but NFL QBs get hit... and get hit a lot.

Right you are. You got to be one tough guy to play QB. Max Hall as barely 6' tall when we got him. He should have been ruled out from day one. Big Ben has been voted as the toughest QB in the NFL to bring down.

Do teams sometimes ever consider making Tebow a RB? He has the speed and the size at around 250 lbs. The dude can run and proved it in the SEC.

 

[john h]

I have been wondering why we did not give one of our backup QBs a chance as it was clear Skelton is a loser. I have no problem with putting in Lindley. It actually made sense. At least we know there is not a lot of hope with him. I doubt he even got any reps this past two weeks. Actually our backup should have been getting some playing time all along as bad as our QB situation is so we can eliminate them or find a gem. Jim Hart was just riding the bench when we brought him in after an injury to our starter. I do not thin he ever lost the job after that.

Will Mike Vick ever make it as a Superbowl winner in the NFL. He has speed and a strong arm but he is small as a QB goes and has the injuries to prove it?

 

[ajcardfan]

not really sure what the big laugh is about. the season is over, we know what Kolb can do (be mediocre and get injured) and we know what Skelton can do (not play QB), so why bother playing either one of them when you're not going to the playoffs and you're trying to see what you have moving forward?

The Cardinals NEVER do this, they try to win every game possible. It's one of the main reasons we've never actually got the #1 draft pick.

 

[Buckybird]

The Cardinals NEVER do this, they try to win every game possible. It's one of the main reasons we've never actually got the #1 draft pick.

And the miracle Hail Mary of the great Josh McCown
Ohhhhhh so close!!!

 

[desertdawg]

I have been wondering why we did not give one of our backup QBs a chance as it was clear Skelton is a loser. I have no problem with putting in Lindley. It actually made sense. At least we know there is not a lot of hope with him. I doubt he even got any reps this past two weeks. Actually our backup should have been getting some playing time all along as bad as our QB situation is so we can eliminate them or find a gem. Jim Hart was just riding the bench when we brought him in after an injury to our starter. I do not thin he ever lost the job after that.

Will Mike Vick ever make it as a Superbowl winner in the NFL. He has speed and a strong arm but he is small as a QB goes and has the injuries to prove it?

Karma will never allow it, thank God.

 

[MadCardDisease]

sorry Russ, but I do believe the above is laughable.

I also just don't see how awful Lindley was. He had three HUGE drops that would have either extended drives or put us in scoring position. Roberts dropped and short armed a damn near perfect 50 yard bomb. Floyd dropped a 9 yard gain that could have been a first down and definitely would have put us in field goal range and then Fitz dropped a PERFECT fade route pressure throw at the 2 yard line. for a guy in his first playing time... ever... on the road with no prep, and with play-calling designed to limit him as much as possible, I just don't see why people are slamming him like he was Skelton out there. Skelton's the worst QB i've ever seen and that's saying a TON considering what we've seen the last three years.

I'm with Russ. Our defense can keep us in any game. All we need is a little better play from the QB position and I think Kolb would provide that. String together 3 wins and we are right back in the mix.

I can tell you right now that Lindley is not the answer. At least not yet. He still stares down WRs and is a pick 6 waiting to happen. Maybe since you were there at the game you couldn't see it that well, but it was very obvious on TV.

 

[D-Dogg]

sorry Russ, but I do believe the above is laughable.

I also just don't see how awful Lindley was. He had three HUGE drops that would have either extended drives or put us in scoring position. Roberts dropped and short armed a damn near perfect 50 yard bomb. Floyd dropped a 9 yard gain that could have been a first down and definitely would have put us in field goal range and then Fitz dropped a PERFECT fade route pressure throw at the 2 yard line. for a guy in his first playing time... ever... on the road with no prep, and with play-calling designed to limit him as much as possible, I just don't see why people are slamming him like he was Skelton out there. Skelton's the worst QB i've ever seen and that's saying a TON considering what we've seen the last three years.

Lindley looked good, IMO. Not QBOF good, but good enough to respectably ride out the season and maybe win a game or two, and then be the backup for whomever we roll the dice with next year after cutting bait on Kolb & Skeletor.

I also thought Larry would have caught that ball deep down the sideline on one of Lindley's first throws, but it looked like he had a hesitation step (tangle with CB?) that left him just inches away from the ball. He was probably shocked the ball even got thrown to him on that route, and that it was in the vicinity.

 

[D-Dogg]

One minor disagreement: I think Max Hall was worse than Skelton.

I think both Max and DA were worse. Max couldn't throw a pass to save his life. DA could throw it a million miles, but he only needed to throw it 12 yards...which led to massive picks. Skelton throws lawn darts and really uncatchable balls, which keeps his picks down (but no TDs, either).

Of course, we are arguing the merits of a nice healthy duece, constipation and diarrhea; in the end, they are all sh**.

 

[D-Dogg]

But he's a rookie and you could see him repeatedly taking the open short pass instead of looking downfield, and he stares down his guy.

He's definitely going to stare down his guy early...that's a rookie for you. However, he wasn't taking the open short guy, he was looking for freaking Early Doucet...and I have one theory why that is...he's the only guy he has rythm with because that's who he probably gets most of his reps with.

I really believe that if he had two weeks of reps with the first team WRs and all prep focused on him and his game, and started instead of got called in cold, that he would have hit on a few big throws and been a little less reliant on Early freaking Doucet.

And he took chances downfield, to both Larry and Roberts.

 

[D-Dogg]

I can tell you right now that Lindley is not the answer.

Depends on what the question is. Is he the QBOF? Hell no. Who is the guy we should roll with the rest of the year? I say that he IS the answer to that.

 

[Duckjake]

He's definitely going to stare down his guy early...that's a rookie for you. However, he wasn't taking the open short guy, he was looking for freaking Early Doucet...and I have one theory why that is...he's the only guy he has rythm with because that's who he probably gets most of his reps with.

I really believe that if he had two weeks of reps with the first team WRs and all prep focused on him and his game, and started instead of got called in cold, that he would have hit on a few big throws and been a little less reliant on Early freaking Doucet.

And he took chances downfield, to both Larry and Roberts.

Why is that? Is it a result of only having one target on many pass routes in college or do they get nervous and forget how they played QB in college?

 

[D-Dogg]

Why is that? Is it a result of only having one target on many pass routes in college or do they get nervous and forget how they played QB in college?

I think it is game speed...everyone is faster, so they brainlock and stare down the person they want to throw to.

Primary college targets + less defensive talent in college also probably plays a part.

 

[Reddog]

I also thought Larry would have caught that ball deep down the sideline on one of Lindley's first throws, but it looked like he had a hesitation step (tangle with CB?) that left him just inches away from the ball. He was probably shocked the ball even got thrown to him on that route, and that it was in the vicinity.

Totally agree. It looked lke Larry was not running his fastest at the end of the rout and was surprised the ball was out in front of him. I think he has been lulled to sleep.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I can tell you right now that Lindley is not the answer. At least not yet. He still stares down WRs and is a pick 6 waiting to happen. Maybe since you were there at the game you couldn't see it that well, but it was very obvious on TV.

I saw this coming a mile away with how Lindley was staring down receivers. It was only a matter of time before a defense started to exploit it.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I also just don't see how awful Lindley was.

How about now?

 

[Cheesebeef]

I saw this coming a mile away with how Lindley was staring down receivers. It was only a matter of time before a defense started to exploit it.

on the first drive, my brother turned to me and said how long before we see a CB jump an out for a pick six? My response? Second quarter.

Just call me the Swami!

 

[Cheesebeef]

How about now?

he was awful in the second half no doubt. but my original comment was made in re: the Falcons game where he suffered from three HUGE drops, that all would have put the Cards in position to score.

but if you think Skelton does anything better or gives us a better chance to win, I don't know what to tell you. both guys suck out loud. But i never want to see Skelton on the field ever again. It's his third year and he looks worse this year then he did last. No need to see him airmailing easy TDs by ten yards out of bounds again.

 

[MadCardDisease]

on the first drive, my brother turned to me and said how long before we see a CB jump an out for a pick six? My response? Second quarter.

Just call me the Swami!

Yeah I saw that one coming from a mile away. However it was the second pick 6 that had me pissed off. What a god aweful throw that was.

 

[MadCardDisease]

but if you think Skelton does anything better or gives us a better chance to win, I don't know what to tell you. both guys suck out loud. But i never want to see Skelton on the field ever again. It's his third year and he looks worse this year then he did last. No need to see him airmailing easy TDs by ten yards out of bounds again.

Skeleton isn't good. However he does know the offense better than Lindley and I think he gives us a slightly better chance at winning. However at this point it doesn't really matter seeing as the Cardinals are not going anywhere this year. Might as well see if Lindley can improve on that dreadful second half.

Man I feel sorry for the defense.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yeah I saw that one coming from a mile away. However it was the second pick 6 that had me pissed off. What a god aweful throw that was.

oh yeah... that was as bad of a rookie pass as I've ever seen. Just a truly awful, terrible decision and throw.