When will Shaq be traded?

[AceP]

Shaq should be traded, and HE MUST, HE DESERVES THAT.

He is 37 years old, the window for him to win another ring as a major contributor is closing. At most this season and next.

Unlike the LA Lakers, Boston Celtics, and Dallas Mavericks, the Phoenix Suns rank financial matter above championship. If you know, those teams all have a payroll much higher than us.

Unlike KG/Pierce/Allen, or Kobe, James, or many others that you don't want me to continue the list, Steve Nash and Amare Stoudamire rank "the way I used to play" above championship.

I'm sorry, but you all have already knew how pitiful this whole organization is. The owner, the GM, and a group of me-first team-last players.

Shaq has done EVERYTHING he could that the team asked. He doesn't deserve to waste the last golden year in his career here. Get him out of here.

 

[Bufalay]

Shaq should be traded, and HE MUST, HE DESERVES THAT.

He is 37 years old, the window for him to win another ring as a major contributor is closing. At most this season and next.

Unlike the LA Lakers, Boston Celtics, and Dallas Mavericks, the Phoenix Suns rank financial matter above championship. If you know, those teams all have a payroll much higher than us.

Unlike KG/Pierce/Allen, or Kobe, James, or many others that you don't want me to continue the list, Steve Nash and Amare Stoudamire rank "the way I used to play" above championship.

I'm sorry, but you all have already knew how pitiful this whole organization is. The owner, the GM, and a group of me-first team-last players.

Shaq has done EVERYTHING he could that the team asked. He doesn't deserve to waste the last golden year in his career here. Get him out of here.

Shaq sucks.

 

[Covert Rain]

Shaq sucks.

Yeah..who wants an All-star, top 10 statistical NBA Center on your team.

 

[atikiN]

Yeah..who wants an All-star, top 10 statistical NBA Center on your team.

Apparently only Phoenix.

 

[Covert Rain]

Apparently only Phoenix.

Well unless you count all the teams calling the Suns to offer expiring contracts (cap space) for Shaq. They seem to want Shaq for nothing but I guess they don't count.

 

[AceP]

Ya, Shaq sucks big. So trade him for crap, just salary dump.

 

[atikiN]

Well unless you count all the teams calling the Suns to offer expiring contracts (cap space) for Shaq. They seem to want Shaq for nothing but I guess they don't count.

Hey look, I've been as big a fan of Shaq's reincarnation this season as anyone else. But lets face it, no one out there is dying to get their hands on a 37 year old with a $20 million contract. Sure teams might throw rif raft our way to see if they can snag him but nobody is bending over backwards to get him.

 

[da_suns_fan]

Shaq and Dragic to NY for Marbury (who we will cut) and Lee.

Thats what Id be doing.

 

[atikiN]

Shaq and Dragic to NY for Marbury (who we will cut) and Lee.

Thats what Id be doing.

I'm pretty sure D'Antoni wants to hold on to Lee and Nate.

 

[Bufalay]

Unlike KG/Pierce/Allen, or Kobe, James, or many others that you don't want me to continue the list, Steve Nash and Amare Stoudamire rank "the way I used to play" above championship.

What kind of a comment is this? Since Amare and Nash seem dissatisfied with Porter's "help Shaq make the All-Star team while losing games" approach they are overly nostalgic at the expense of wanting to win? It's not like these guys are Shawn Marion and complaining about lack of touches while on an extremely successful team. Nash and Amare have both recognized that this new strategy seems unsuccesful and may be suggesting that changing back to the old strategy, a strategy that has been proven to be much more successful, would be prudent.

The Suns don't owe anything to Shaq. It isn't like he's the only person playing hard on a team full of egos who don't care about winning. If he really deserved to win a championship this year, as you suggest, then he had better start playing like 32 year-old Shaq, instead of this "feel-good story" old man with occasional trips down memory lane.

 

[AceP]

LOL, here we are again.

How could Shaq be responsible for Amare's lack of rebounds?

 

[atikiN]

LOL, here we are again.

How could Shaq be responsible for Amare's lack of rebounds?

Who knows, but Amare is averaging 1 rebound less than he did during the pre-Shaq years.

 

[AceP]

OK, I'm asking the team to trade Shaq to get rid of him, and help the team to save 20M bucks. Is that too much to ask?

 

[Covert Rain]

Ya, Shaq sucks big. So trade him for crap, just salary dump.

I think your responding to sarcasm.

Hey look, I've been as big a fan of Shaq's reincarnation this season as anyone else. But lets face it, no one out there is dying to get their hands on a 37 year old with a $20 million contract. Sure teams might throw rif raft our way to see if they can snag him but nobody is bending over backwards to get him.

I guess it depends on what reports you have heard. There have been teams inquiring about Shaq and trying to get thier hand on his expiring contract in 2010. There is no market for Shaq in terms of getting young talent back in return unless you count getting crappy players back and a crappy draft pick a market.

However, I was speaking purely on what we are getting to the court..responding to "Shaq sucks".

Who knows, but Amare is averaging 1 rebound less than he did during the pre-Shaq years.

True but that doesn't explain why Amare has always underachieved this entire career. The guy should be getting 12 a night with his size and athletic ability.

then he had better start playing like 32 year-old Shaq, instead of this "feel-good story" old man with occasional trips down memory lane.

Correct me if I am wrong but Shaq is having his best statistical season since the year the heat one the title? He was good enough for them. Besides, if you beleive some people on this board, Amare is a Super Star top 5 NBA player playing along side Shaq.

He is getting it done despite not being in his prime. He is still better then the majority of what teams have at the center position. I would say that is much better then a trip down memory lane unless you expecting to get Shaq in his prime.

OK, I'm asking the team to trade Shaq to get rid of him, and help the team to save 20M bucks. Is that too much to ask?

It depends. Are you saying blow up this team and start rebuilding? Then no but you better be trading Amare and Nash too because Sarver is not going to go out and spend $20 million in cap space. The only way this team gets better is to load up on talent and getting rid of Shaq's contract doesn't help you do that. Trading Amare will.

 

[Bufalay]

He is getting it done despite not being in his prime. He is still better then the majority of what teams have at the center position. I would say that is much better then a trip down memory lane unless you expecting to get Shaq in his prime.

Good for him. My point was that he doesn't "deserve" a championship just because he is playing better than one should reasonably expect for an old guy. If he wants to win a championship, then he should win a championship. This old argument that a bad team owes it to their star players to trade them to a contender has never made sense to me.

 

[AceP]

News from Dallas.

Shaq-to-the-Mavs? It’s both “The Deal So Big That It Probably Won’t Happen’’ and “The Rumor So Big That It Probably Won’t Go Away.’’ What I’m about to write is just sexy enough that I almost require you to read my DB.com Trade-and-Scoop Disclaimer as a way of helping you avoid hyperventilating:

“I don’t know anything about (a Shaq-to-Dallas trade),’’ said an NBA source with a long history of dealing with Dallas owner Mark Cuban. “But I can guarantee you this: Mark would love it. He lives for the short-term. That’s exactly the kind of thing he likes to pull off. For a lot of good reasons, he’d love to do that.’’

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Shame on each and every one of you who want to trade Shaq.

 

[devilalum]

Shaq-to-the-Mavs? It’s both “The Deal So Big That It Probably Won’t Happen’’ and “The Rumor So Big That It Probably Won’t Go Away.’’ What I’m about to write is just sexy enough that I almost require you to read my DB.com Trade-and-Scoop Disclaimer as a way of helping you avoid hyperventilating:

“I don’t know anything about (a Shaq-to-Dallas trade),’’ said an NBA source with a long history of dealing with Dallas owner Mark Cuban. “But I can guarantee you this: Mark would love it. He lives for the short-term. That’s exactly the kind of thing he likes to pull off. For a lot of good reasons, he’d love to do that.’’

If the Suns make this trade you better get ready for 25-30 mpg from Sideshow Rob. SSOL worked because Marion is a small rebounding freak. In the SUns first half blow up last night Shaq started about 8 fast breaks by cleaning the defensive boards. The Suns out rebounded the Clips 50-30. Who's gonna clean the glass if the Suns trade Shaq for Howard?

It might be a good rebuilding step but it will absolutely put the Suns in the Lotto.

 

[dodie53]

Shame on each and every one of you who want to trade Shaq.

dont' worry,
he won't get what we want.

 

[Folster]

From Yahoo Sports

Shaq may be bound for Cleveland

By Adrian Wojnarowski and Johnny Ludden, Yahoo! Sports 6 hours, 7 minutes ago
The Phoenix Suns are discussing a potential trade with the Cleveland Cavaliers which would pair Shaquille O’Neal with LeBron James for a run at the NBA title, two NBA executives familiar with the talks said Thursday morning.
In return, the Cavaliers would send Ben Wallace and Sasha Pavlovic to the Suns.
No deal is imminent, but sources say the two teams have been talking about the potential trade for two days now. A Cavs official didn’t deny the talks but said the team was leaning against making a move.
NBA distributes financial warning The NBA sent out an ominous memo to its teams on the eve of the league’s trade deadline to outline dramatic projected drops in salary-cap and luxury-tax levels for the next two summers, Yahoo! Sports has learned.
Because of rapidly declining revenues, the league office delivered a sobering warning to teams trying to free cap space for the historic free-agent class of 2010: Owners and executives will likely have to strip more payroll than initially planned.

Here is a (link) to the full text with a blurb about Stoudemire as well as other rumors around the league.

Both Wallace and Sasha have 2 years left on contract like Shaq, but their contracts total up to $19 million, a savings of $2 million from Shaq.

Wallace just may be the perfect compliment to Amare.

 

[nowagimp]

Hey look, I've been as big a fan of Shaq's reincarnation this season as anyone else. But lets face it, no one out there is dying to get their hands on a 37 year old with a $20 million contract.

Next year that is a 20M expiring contract that will be very valuable. I hope the suns dont trade him and lose that chip, AND any chance of competing in the playoffs.

 

[Chaplin]

Shaq should be traded, and HE MUST, HE DESERVES THAT.

He is 37 years old, the window for him to win another ring as a major contributor is closing. At most this season and next.

Unlike the LA Lakers, Boston Celtics, and Dallas Mavericks, the Phoenix Suns rank financial matter above championship. If you know, those teams all have a payroll much higher than us.

Unlike KG/Pierce/Allen, or Kobe, James, or many others that you don't want me to continue the list, Steve Nash and Amare Stoudamire rank "the way I used to play" above championship.

I'm sorry, but you all have already knew how pitiful this whole organization is. The owner, the GM, and a group of me-first team-last players.

Shaq has done EVERYTHING he could that the team asked. He doesn't deserve to waste the last golden year in his career here. Get him out of here.

You've got to be kidding. We don't owe him anything--we're paying him 20 million dollars a year for chrissakes! He better do whatever he's told. We shouldn't trade him away simply because we "owe him".

 

[Chaplin]

From Yahoo Sports

Here is a (link) to the full text with a blurb about Stoudemire as well as other rumors around the league.

Both Wallace and Sasha have 2 years left on contract like Shaq, but their contracts total up to $19 million, a savings of $2 million from Shaq.

Wallace just may be the perfect compliment to Amare.

How do you figure? Wallace hasn't done anything for a couple years now--wanna talk about a washed-up, overpaid big man? Look at Ben Wallace.

 

[Folster]

How do you figure? Wallace hasn't done anything for a couple years now--wanna talk about a washed-up, overpaid big man? Look at Ben Wallace.

Yeah, I got a little excited. I thought he was still putting up solid numbers. I took a look at them after I posted and saw how horrible they were. Hopefully we pass on this trade.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Wallce was the perfect complement to Amare 4 years ago. Now he gets the award for Biggest Jump from Underrated to Overrated in History.

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