Where will Jimmy Butler end up? 2025 edition

[Mainstreet]

I'd have to believe a 1st would be involved, maybe 2 of them. That makes more sense than a lot of other deals that I've seen though.

Agree. The Pistons would be getting the short end of the stick and would need more compensation in return.

 

[Mainstreet]

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What happens if we end up with Jimmy, extend him but he becomes unhappy again with one year?

The Suns would simply add another bad contract to their collection. A player can't be traded unless there is a trade partner.

 

[leclerc]

Swapping Beal for Butler should improve things but the people talking about championship should wake up and look at the standings. The Suns stink! Butler won't change that.

 

[Covert Rain]

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What happens if we end up with Jimmy, extend him but he becomes unhappy again with one year?

I have given this some thought the past couple days. Even though the optimistic side of me says that if we can flip Nurk for a legit FC player and pull off this Butler trade we have a shot? The idea of being locked into Durant/Butler for $100 million and both over 35?!? You can't be saddled with multiple 35+ guys for 100 million or more. If there was another player out there that was much younger with the same talent level and available? I would be much more open to it.

Blow it up and yes that includes Booker. Stock up on assets and start again. Besides, Ishbia has proven he will go after whatever free agents are out there and if we restock on assets, I could see him pulling off major trades to reload faster.

This collection of players is terrible.

 

[BirdGangThing]

let's go thru this

they aren't doing beal and nurk for butler

if you were miami who'd you be asking for

greyson allen led the league in 3% last year and has gotten tougher this year

ryan dunn - no brainier between his defense and contract not to mention recent offense

book isn't being traded for a 35 year old book - kd makes no sense either

oso isn't a desirable (yet)

tyus would be an added piece at best and not a very strong one considering his contract length - morris is on his last year

royce is signed thru 2028 - makes $10 million a year but he's a b-list 3 and D at best

 

[95pro]

Suns - Butler

Bucks - Beal

Heat - Middleton and ?

Middleton just got the Beal treatment, off the bench.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Suns - Butler

Bucks - Beal

Heat - Middleton and Lopez

beal and dame on the same team is same as beal and book on the same team - counter productive

 

[95pro]

beal and dame on the same team is same as beal and book on the same team - counter productive

I know. Just heard that Middleton was to come off the bench now like Beal.

 

[Hoop Head]

let's go thru this

they aren't doing beal and nurk for butler

if you were miami who'd you be asking for

greyson allen led the league in 3% last year and has gotten tougher this year

ryan dunn - no brainier between his defense and contract not to mention recent offense

book isn't being traded for a 35 year old book - kd makes no sense either

oso isn't a desirable (yet)

tyus would be an added piece at best and not a very strong one considering his contract length - morris is on his last year

royce is signed thru 2028 - makes $10 million a year but he's a b-list 3 and D at best

We.can't aggregate salaries so a pile of players for Butler wouldn't work. Plus we'd have even more holes to fill so it doesn't make sense.

beal and dame on the same team is same as beal and book on the same team - counter productive

Beal and Lillard would be fine. Beal lead the league in scoring next to Westbrook and Lillard played well next to CJ McCollum. Lillard is a PG, Booker isn't. Not the same thing at all. Beal is a natural SG.

 

[Ronin]

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[Phrazbit]

Why?? Is Ishbia terminally stupid? If nobody else is willing to pay him that much that should tell you something.

We don't need an even older injury prone dude with a terrible contract.

We were also the only team willing to meet the Nets insane trade demands... and the only team willing to take Beal off the Wizards...

I am sensing a pattern and it isn't a good one.

 

[Ronin]

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[Hoop Head]

We were also the only team willing to meet the Nets insane trade demands... and the only team willing to take Beal off the Wizards...

I am sensing a pattern and it isn't a good one.

I agree regarding Brooklyn but Milwaukee was willing to take Beal. Beal killed that deal because he didn't want to go to a team that would treat Middleton like that 2-3 years removed from a championship. He may have come around if that was the only destination but then the Suns got involved by way of Booker and KD contacting Beal directly.

 

[Proximo]

let's go thru this

they aren't doing beal and nurk for butler

if you were miami who'd you be asking for

greyson allen led the league in 3% last year and has gotten tougher this year

ryan dunn - no brainier between his defense and contract not to mention recent offense

book isn't being traded for a 35 year old book - kd makes no sense either

oso isn't a desirable (yet)

tyus would be an added piece at best and not a very strong one considering his contract length - morris is on his last year

royce is signed thru 2028 - makes $10 million a year but he's a b-list 3 and D at best

Miami can ask for anything they want - but the fact is we can not trade more than 1 player being over the second apron.

If the Suns are this F'ng stupid they have to trade Grayson for a first and some trash contract player in a separate deal. Then include the 2nd pick.

If they do that, I am going to have to take a hiatus, I refuse to watch a team that has been that thoroughly F'D.

 

[Proximo]

We were also the only team willing to meet the Nets insane trade demands... and the only team willing to take Beal off the Wizards...

I am sensing a pattern and it isn't a good one.

Yeah I know - at some point though Ishbia has to learn. I mean he can only be so stupid and run a multi billion dollar business.

 

[Proximo]

Suns - Butler

Bucks - Beal

Heat - Middleton and ?

Middleton just got the Beal treatment, off the bench.

If the heat actually prefer Middleton to Beal they are idiots.

 

[95pro]

We.can't aggregate salaries so a pile of players for Butler wouldn't work. Plus we'd have even more holes to fill so it doesn't make sense.



Beal and Lillard would be fine. Beal lead the league in scoring next to Westbrook and Lillard played well next to CJ McCollum. Lillard is a PG, Booker isn't. Not the same thing at all. Beal is a natural SG.

They average about the same amount of assists, when you factor out Booker's rookie and sophomore years. Lillard also scores more, I think he's better with the ball (handles) and is able to get his teammates into better position though.

If the heat actually prefer Middleton to Beal they are idiots.

Everyone has a Beal already, so do the Heat wit Tyler.

 

[Hoop Head]

They average about the same amount of assists, when you factor out Booker's rookie and sophomore years. Lillard also scores more, I think he's better with the ball (handles) and is able to get his teammates into better position though.

That's because Lillard has always been a scoring PG while Booker was forced to play PG. Look at what CJ McCollum did next to Lillard. Dame can play next to a scoring SG like Beal. Booker and Beal are both at their best as secondary ball handlers being set up to score. They're similar players. Lillard is a creator who is capable and willing to get points himself if nothing else materializes. Lillard was my favorite non Sun up until 2021 or so. I watched a lot of him and he's not like Beal or Booker.

The Heat has been real back and forth on Herro also. One week he's in trade rumors and then he's a piece of their core. They have no interest in Beal though so it's really not work diving deeper.

 

[Hoop Head]

If the heat actually prefer Middleton to Beal they are idiots.

Why? Middleton has approximately $90 less owed to him than Beal. He only is on the books for $31 million a year and has a player option for $34 million next year. Plus he'd take Butler's spot at SF. Beal pushes Herro back the bench or out of position like he did Booker. Middleton makes more sense than Beal from a fit and financial perspective.

 

[Mainstreet]

Butler still wants to come to Phoenix per Gambo.

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