Where will Jimmy Butler end up? 2025 edition

[Ronin]

Evan Sidery

@esidery
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30m

The Grizzlies have kept an offer on the table to the Heat for Jimmy Butler, even with him not wanting to go there.If the Suns are unable to find a third team to take on Bradley Beal’s contract, Memphis is one of the top teams waiting to potentially pounce.

 

[Ronin]

Evan Sidery

@esidery
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3m

The Suns and Warriors are currently viewed as the most likely landing spots for Jimmy Butler, per @ShamsCharania on @PatMcAfeeShow.The Heat have officially decided not to keep Butler past the trade deadline.

 

[BirdGangThing]

are we gonna get butler for nothing?

 

[Superbone]

are we gonna get butler for nothing?

Yeah, right.

 

[AzStevenCal]

are we gonna get butler for nothing?

That would make him good for nothing.

 

[GatorAZ]

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[BirdGangThing]

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this barry guy is legit too

 

[BirdGangThing]

unless someone takes beal - we don't get butler

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

And Joe Johnson left because he didn't want to be the 3rd or 4th best player on the Suns and he wanted to go back to the South. Sarver was willing to pay him what he asked, Joe asked him not to match. Yes, we could and should have met his agent's demands before his last season with us but I worry about a player like that.

. . . a year too late. Had he done it the first time around with jj he would’ve remained a sun. He was penny wise and pound foolish.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yeah, but they had Stoudemire coming into his third season.

It doesn’t change the fact that they were a bad team. The contention was high profile free agents don’t join bad teams. Well Nash did. That’s indisputable.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Good point, but the Suns that time already had a great young core in Stoudemire-Marion-Joe Johnson.

They had a young core. But 29 wins doesn’t indicate “great.” It indicates potential. Many young teams never mature into greatness.

 

[elindholm]

It doesn’t change the fact that they were a bad team. The contention was high profile free agents don’t join bad teams. Well Nash did. That’s indisputable.

Sure, okay, so modify it to "high-profile free agent don't join bad teams with very low potential," which is what the Suns will be.

Also, Nash wasn't exactly a high-profile free agent in the summer of 04. He'd made two All-Star teams, but he'd averaged better than 8 apg only once and was the third wheel to Nowitzki and Finley. He ended up turning the Suns franchise around, but not too many people saw that coming, and it was possible only because of the untapped strength of his teammates.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Sure, okay, so modify it to "high-profile free agent don't join bad teams with very low potential," which is what the Suns will be.

Also, Nash wasn't exactly a high-profile free agent in the summer of 04. He'd made two All-Star teams, but he'd averaged better than 8 apg only once and was the third wheel to Nowitzki and Finley. He ended up turning the Suns franchise around, but not too many people saw that coming, and it was possible only because of the untapped strength of his teammates.

I don’t think anyone saw coming what happened, but I’d argue he was the second highest profile FA that summer behind only Kobe.

You can make whatever qualifiers you want, but the fact remains, high profile free agents do sign with lesser teams.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I don’t think anyone saw coming what happened, but I’d argue he was the second highest profile FA that summer behind only Kobe.

You can make whatever qualifiers you want, but the fact remains, high profile free agents do sign with lesser teams.

Just started thinking of others. Joe Johnson immediately came to mind when he signed with the atrocious 16 win Atlanta Hawks in 2005 to what was a MAX deal at the time.

Reality is what Ishbia will likely need to happen is to have the books cleared so he could try and do what the Clippers did with Kawhi/PG, the Nets did with KD/Kyrie or what the Magic did with Grant Hill/T-Mac where you get two superstars who want to play together and make your team in FA that way.

Now, im sure some will argue back that none of those worked but they didn’t work because of major injuries to at least one, if not both of the players. When healthy, each one of those teams was pretty good/contenders.

Unless our scouting department just hits a grand slam home run with one of mid to late 1st rounders, the team Free Agent team is probably our only hope of being competitive once they wipe KD/Book off the books in a couple years.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Just started thinking of others. Joe Johnson immediately came to mind when he signed with the atrocious 16 win Atlanta Hawks in 2005 to what was a MAX deal at the time.

Reality is what Ishbia will likely need to happen is to have the books cleared so he could try and do what the Clippers did with Kawhi/PG, the Nets did with KD/Kyrie or what the Magic did with Grant Hill/T-Mac where you get two superstars who want to play together and make your team in FA that way.

Now, im sure some will argue back that none of those worked but they didn’t work because of major injuries to at least one, if not both of the players. When healthy, each one of those teams was pretty good/contenders.

Unless our scouting department just hits a grand slam home run with one of mid to late 1st rounders, the team Free Agent team is probably our only hope of being competitive once they wipe KD/Book off the books in a couple years.

Exactly. And no one can argue the nets, clippers or Magic are premier teams. Yeah it’s NY and LA, but the clips and nets get zero attention with the lakers and Knicks nearby and Orlando is NOT Miami.

 

[Phrazbit]

It doesn’t change the fact that they were a bad team. The contention was high profile free agents don’t join bad teams. Well Nash did. That’s indisputable.

The Mavs declined to pay Nash the type of contract we did, Cuban has talked a lot about it, they didn't trust his health. If they had ponied up he would have stayed.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The Mavs declined to pay Nash the type of contract we did, Cuban has talked a lot about it, they didn't trust his health. If they had ponied up he would have stayed.

Okay. And how does that change the fact that the second most coveted free agent came to a team with 29 wins? It doesn’t. Sure there may be factors that played into it, but there are always multiple factors. And we are talking years in the future. The simple fact is, saying good free agents don’t go to bad teams is just flat out wrong. For whatever reasons happened over and over. So the statement was wrong. Just plain inaccurate.