Which Qb gives the team the best chance to win?

[Rats]

Which Qb gives this team the best chance to win and why? Josh has thrown for over 1000+ yards in 3 games 7td 7int and is 2-1 as the starter this season. Kurt threw for over 600+ yards in 3 games 1td 2int and is 0-3 as the starter. Kurt faced two difficult road games in New York and Seattle and had a mental Meltdown that cost us a home game against the Rams. Josh had a nationally televised Mexico game against a crappy SF team and two home games against decent opponents. Both have moved the offense effectivly and both have had there ups and downs. Do you go with experience in Dallas or with youth and mobility behind one of the worst lines in the NFL? Does it matter with out a running game? Lets hear your responses. I still believe we should sign both of these guys to two year contracts at 2.5 mil each and then spend to fix our interior lines. We will win next season if we do this. If we start over with another retread we will be a couple of years away.

 

[Russ Smith]

Right now you have to say Josh because we haven't won with Kurt.

I think Kurt is the better QB he sees the game better, but I'm not convinced he can stay healthy and there's a big difference between recognizing blitzes pre snap, and being able to avoid free running Dl's and LB's because your OL missed a block.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Record of teams Warner faced: 12-8 2 on the road, the most successfull of the 3 at home.

Record of teams that Josh faced: 7-12 2 home 1 neutral.


Yup yet another fair comparison.

Kind of how like they had the same oline. The oline was MUCH worse in games 1 and 2. The defense was MUCH worse in games 1 & 2

 

[CaptTurbo]

Id do somethign silly. Start Warner on the road with his experience and Josh at home with his experience in tempe.

 

[Duckjake]

Which Qb gives this team the best chance to win and why? Josh has thrown for over 1000+ yards in 3 games 7td 7int and is 2-1 as the starter this season. Kurt threw for over 600+ yards in 3 games 1td 2int and is 0-3 as the starter. Kurt faced two difficult road games in New York and Seattle and had a mental Meltdown that cost us a home game against the Rams. Josh had a nationally televised Mexico game against a crappy SF team and two home games against decent opponents. Both have moved the offense effectivly and both have had there ups and downs. Do you go with experience in Dallas or with youth and mobility behind one of the worst lines in the NFL? Does it matter with out a running game? Lets hear your responses. I still believe we should sign both of these guys to two year contracts at 2.5 mil each and then spend to fix our interior lines. We will win next season if we do this. If we start over with another retread we will be a couple of years away.

We don't have a QB that give this team a chance to win.

Put Boldin in.

 

[Rats]

Right now you have to say Josh because we haven't won with Kurt.

I think Kurt is the better QB he sees the game better, but I'm not convinced he can stay healthy and there's a big difference between recognizing blitzes pre snap, and being able to avoid free running Dl's and LB's because your OL missed a block.

We were in the road games that Kurt started and he moved the team until he got hurt. Injuries aside I think with a tough road game where we probably need the Defense to step up again, we need steady leadership at the Qb position and maybe some chance taking as well. Both Qb have done well when they took chances. With no running game and a pourous Oline we have to get decent pass protection. Also with a win are we getting momentum or are we fooling ourselves. Dallas will be a good test of our defense.

 

[Rats]

We don't have a QB that give this team a chance to win.

Put Boldin in.

If the Qb take chances and get the ball out to Fitz or Boldin then we have a chance to win. I think this will happen. What I also see happening is the sustained drives by the opposing offense because our run defense has sucked. Once they start leaning on us we fold like a house of cards. We lack size on the interior of the Dline. We are fast but have to rely on gap filling by an undermanned Lb corp or saftey help....Dallas will be a big test. We have to win the turnover battle. Which Qb will not turn the ball over.

 

[vince56]

McCown gives us our best chance to win because while he's not as accurate as Warner, he doesn't puss up when it comes to throwing into the endzone. McCown fires the ball into the endzone, usually erratically yes, but at least he's not afraid to chuck the ball.



Woo!! 4000th post!

 

[MadCardDisease]

I think Warner gives us the best chance to win.

Josh cannot find the open Receiver. Locks on to his targets and makes poor decisions.

Yes Josh can scramble better than Warner but that just means that Josh takes a 16 Yard loss instead of a 7 yard loss.

 

[Duckjake]

If the Qb take chances and get the ball out to Fitz or Boldin then we have a chance to win. I think this will happen. What I also see happening is the sustained drives by the opposing offense because our run defense has sucked. Once they start leaning on us we fold like a house of cards. We lack size on the interior of the Dline. We are fast but have to rely on gap filling by an undermanned Lb corp or saftey help....Dallas will be a big test. We have to win the turnover battle. Which Qb will not turn the ball over.

Unless they can get some kind of run threat it won't happen and we'll see more games like yesterday's. Teams will overplay the pass. And our yards per attempt will plummet like it did Sunday. They averaged 5 yards per attempt yesterday compared with 7.1 for the season going in.

Our defense showed yesterday that while undersized they don't wear down so it is time to start running the football more no matter how many 3 and backwards they have. We have a better chance of scoring if the other team has the ball anyway.

 

[CaptTurbo]

If you dont think Warner puts it in the endzone feel free to check your tivo and look at the multiple drops in the endzone.

If I was a QB and they said "Ok we are going to give you each 3 games to show what you have."

Would you want the first 3 games (2 on the road) with a young team.

Or games 3-6 2 of which are at home with a team learning to play together after warming up a few games?

Honest question. I dare someone to give an honest answer.

 

[MadCardDisease]

McCown's two wins came against two of the worst teams in the league and at a time when both of these teams were decimated by injury.

 

[EndZone]

If you dont think Warner puts it in the endzone feel free to check your tivo and look at the multiple drops in the endzone.

If I was a QB and they said "Ok we are going to give you each 3 games to show what you have."

Would you want the first 3 games (2 on the road) with a young team.

Or games 3-6 2 of which are at home with a team learning to play together after warming up a few games?

Honest question. I dare someone to give an honest answer.

Okay I will take your dare...I would take the first 3! But only because I am an inpatient person...can't wait even if it's the easier road.

 

[Russ Smith]

McCown's two wins came against two of the worst teams in the league and at a time when both of these teams were decimated by injury.

Undeniably true.

My whole rationale for starting Josh is I think if we start Kurt, he'll just get hurt again and we'll be back with Josh anyways.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Okay I will take your dare...I would take the first 3! But only because I am an inpatient person...can't wait even if it's the easier road.

 

[conraddobler]

Undeniably true.

My whole rationale for starting Josh is I think if we start Kurt, he'll just get hurt again and we'll be back with Josh anyways.

I'd honestly take any QB that wins, since I don't see Josh pulling that off against Dallas, heck try Warner if he's healthy.

The thing is why again are those the only choices we have? Others seem to have Joe wonder boy to trot out there when desperation strikes we have Navarre?

It's not a fair world.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Which Qb gives this team the best chance to win and why? Josh has thrown for over 1000+ yards in 3 games 7td 7int and is 2-1 as the starter this season. Kurt threw for over 600+ yards in 3 games 1td 2int and is 0-3 as the starter. Kurt faced two difficult road games in New York and Seattle and had a mental Meltdown that cost us a home game against the Rams. Josh had a nationally televised Mexico game against a crappy SF team and two home games against decent opponents. Both have moved the offense effectivly and both have had there ups and downs. Do you go with experience in Dallas or with youth and mobility behind one of the worst lines in the NFL? Does it matter with out a running game? Lets hear your responses. I still believe we should sign both of these guys to two year contracts at 2.5 mil each and then spend to fix our interior lines. We will win next season if we do this. If we start over with another retread we will be a couple of years away.

I personally would take JM. I just hope that DG picks 1 and sticks with him. This revolving door QB thing isn't doing the offense any good.

 

[Shane]

McCown's two wins came against two of the worst teams in the league and at a time when both of these teams were decimated by injury.

So McCOwn was working with equal talent then. Its all relative.

 

[Snakester]

I would like to see Warner start the rest of the season.

 

[john h]

Which Qb gives this team the best chance to win and why? Josh has thrown for over 1000+ yards in 3 games 7td 7int and is 2-1 as the starter this season. Kurt threw for over 600+ yards in 3 games 1td 2int and is 0-3 as the starter. Kurt faced two difficult road games in New York and Seattle and had a mental Meltdown that cost us a home game against the Rams. Josh had a nationally televised Mexico game against a crappy SF team and two home games against decent opponents. Both have moved the offense effectivly and both have had there ups and downs. Do you go with experience in Dallas or with youth and mobility behind one of the worst lines in the NFL? Does it matter with out a running game? Lets hear your responses. I still believe we should sign both of these guys to two year contracts at 2.5 mil each and then spend to fix our interior lines. We will win next season if we do this. If we start over with another retread we will be a couple of years away.

My money says we see a new qB staring next year. Just read Sports Weekly. They wrote that San Diego is happy and comfortable with Brees and will likely trade Rivers and eat 8 mil in CAP money as they can afford to. He will have some likely suitors such as the Ravens and possible the Bears although Orton is playing ok. It is written Houston will probably stick with Carr. Rivers would seem our best option unless somehow the Vikes decide to go after Rivers. In any even the couple of good ones will not be cheap and we will have to open our bank and take a shot. From Rivers stand point He more than likely had rather play for the Ravens for obvious reasons. They have a better shot at the playoffs.

 

[WisconsinCard]

My money says we see a new qB staring next year. Just read Sports Weekly. They wrote that San Diego is happy and comfortable with Brees and will likely trade Rivers and eat 8 mil in CAP money as they can afford to. He will have some likely suitors such as the Ravens and possible the Bears although Orton is playing ok. It is written Houston will probably stick with Carr. Rivers would seem our best option unless somehow the Vikes decide to go after Rivers. In any even the couple of good ones will not be cheap and we will have to open our bank and take a shot. From Rivers stand point He more than likely had rather play for the Ravens for obvious reasons. They have a better shot at the playoffs.

Rivers is still unproven. I dont understand the "love fest" with a guy who hasnt played a regular season down yet. He might be the stuff he might not.
I wouldnt be too quick to make a big trade for him

 

[john h]

Rivers is still unproven. I dont understand the "love fest" with a guy who hasnt played a regular season down yet. He might be the stuff he might not.
I wouldnt be too quick to make a big trade for him

Everyone is a rookie at some point and you have to take your chances if you are ever going to find a Dan Marino or Brett Favre. Their are no guarantees.

 

[conraddobler]

Everyone is a rookie at some point and you have to take your chances if you are ever going to find a Dan Marino or Brett Favre. Their are no guarantees.

Rivers just isn't Denny's type of QB, Denny like QB's with Bigger arms because he likes to throw down field more than your average offshoot from the 49ers does.

I'm not saying he wouldn't use a QB like Rivers, he probably would but if he's trading picks and players he's going after someone like Culpepper not Rivers.

 

[Russ Smith]

Everyone is a rookie at some point and you have to take your chances if you are ever going to find a Dan Marino or Brett Favre. Their are no guarantees.

That's all true but let's be honest when the Chargers made the deal for Rivers on draft day he was not their first choice, they wanted Manning but he didn't want to play for them. They were desperate for a QB, they didn't think Brees was their guy and they wound up with Rivers. He took too long to sign and then had an abysmal preseason, 60% but 1 TD, 3 picks, passer rating of 46.4, 5.5 YPA, Brees had a huge preseason, easily won the job and held it all year. Rivers wasn't even the backup when the Chargers were in the playoffs, they went with the experienced Flutie after having Rivers at #2 part of the year.

This year Rivers got more work in preseason than Brees, or Lemon, and yet threw for 100 less yards than Lemon, and only 50 more yards than Brees(while throwing 19 more passes). In 2 preseasons, Brees has a YPA number around 5.2, all he does so far is dink and dunk.

Why would the Cards pull a blockbuster deal to get a QB who doesn't throw the ball downfield? That's just not Green's style, he doesn't like that offense and we're paying far too much to Fitz and Boldin to turn them into that type of WR.

Rivers has talent, in the right system he might flourish he's very accurate and smart, but he does NOT have a great arm and based on what I've seen in 2 preseasons he doesn't even have a good arm he's got an average at best arm. The fact that in 1 1/2 seasons he's been totall unable to unseat Brees should tell people something, Brees has improved a LOT more during that time than Rivers has.

I wouldn't trade a first round pick for Rivers.