Whisenhunt's comments could sting Steelers

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Based on that he said rescuers told him he had a cut in his mouth or throat, and that he would die from that because his stomach would be too full of blood(?). How much was this cut bleeding? Was it really enough to cause him to die of exsanguination? If so severe, how was the rescuer able to halt it? How much blood did he lose? Why did the rescuers themselves never make this comment to the media? Why did the doctors never make this comment to the media? Why only Ben himself?
Why is it so hard for you to believe that a guy that goes face-first into a windshield is on death's door? I'm surprised he's NOT dead.

And, maybe the reason that Roethlisberger's comments are prevalent is because he's a celebrity and the paramedic is not.
 

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Why is it so hard for you to believe that a guy that goes face-first into a windshield is on death's door? I'm surprised he's NOT dead.

And, maybe the reason that Roethlisberger's comments are prevalent is because he's a celebrity and the paramedic is not.

I don't think he's credible. Believe him if you want, it makes no difference. I'm glad he's okay. He amuses me.
 

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The near death thing should come from his face hitting a moving car. Ben is a football player, not an M.D.

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Lawyers.

In his account he said the reason he was dying was because of the slit vein or artery in his mouth or throat. So either he was going to expire of exsanguination, or somehow the glut of blood in his stomach was going to be fatal. I'm not sure how that works--maybe if it so much it causes him to wretch and he chokes? I don't know.

The reason he gave for his supposed imminent demise was not trauma to the head, but the artery/vein, according to the rescuer. I'm incredulous by nature, especially someone with Ben's history. I'm a plaintiff's attorney (sort of), normally I would represent someone like Ben, but his account seems made up to me. I wouldn't believe him without some corroboration. Let's just say I don't think I'd take his case.
 

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What? Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

I wish.

Just starting out. I only have 2 cases and a PO Box so far. But I've got high hopes, a complete lack of ethics, and strong legs to chase ambulances. And while I'm there to get info from the rescuers to see if my prospective client is telling the truth.
 

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I wish.

Just starting out. I only have 2 cases and a PO Box so far. But I've got high hopes, a complete lack of ethics, and strong legs to chase ambulances. And while I'm there to get info from the rescuers to see if my prospective client is telling the truth.

I knew you were a Plaintiff's attorney when you used the term exsanguination. :)
 
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I can take or leave Big Ben but the little that I've seen of him, he doesn't seem to play the victim. I think he acts like the accident was serious but he doesn't feel like he was going to die, but that the paramedics told him he was close. I'm not even sure why this is an issue or the accuracy of how "close" to dying he really was came up, but being t-boned, faceplanting into a windshield without a helmet and having your head/face rebuilt as a result is close enough for me to consider it close to death. The fact that he was in that type of accident, regardless of the outcome, in my opinion means he was "close" to death.
 

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Based on that he said rescuers told him he had a cut in his mouth or throat, and that he would die from that because his stomach would be too full of blood(?). How much was this cut bleeding? Was it really enough to cause him to die of exsanguination? If so severe, how was the rescuer able to halt it? How much blood did he lose? Why did the rescuers themselves never make this comment to the media? Why did the doctors never make this comment to the media? Why only Ben himself?

Oh, goody! A chance for me to lecture! :)

First, of all, he had two chances of dying based on where his cut was.

1) Exsanguination (I greatly prefer the term hypovolemic shock), with organ failure due to lack of oxygen for the brain.

2) Hyperkalemia due to a surge of potassium levels because of all the blood in the stomach being digested. High levels of potassium can cause arrythmias, fibrillation or even complete heart block. Potassium chloride is what stops the heart in lethal injection executions and euthanasia in vets office. While I'm not sure that Ben fully understands the situation he was in, I'm pretty confident this is what the EMT was referring too.


As for why the rescusers and doctors never commented on it, that's very easy to explain. They cannot make public statements unless directly given permission to by the patient under confidentiality rules. When giving statements, they tend to focus on what actually happened rather than discussing things that could have happened but didn't.
 

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Oh, goody! A chance for me to lecture! :)

First, of all, he had two chances of dying based on where his cut was.

1) Exsanguination (I greatly prefer the term hypovolemic shock), with organ failure due to lack of oxygen for the brain.

2) Hyperkalemia due to a surge of potassium levels because of all the blood in the stomach being digested. High levels of potassium can cause arrythmias, fibrillation or even complete heart block. Potassium chloride is what stops the heart in lethal injection executions and euthanasia in vets office. While I'm not sure that Ben fully understands the situation he was in, I'm pretty confident this is what the EMT was referring too.


As for why the rescusers and doctors never commented on it, that's very easy to explain. They cannot make public statements unless directly given permission to by the patient under confidentiality rules. When giving statements, they tend to focus on what actually happened rather than discussing things that could have happened but didn't.

I think of your scenarios the second is the more likely one. Thank you for your lecture.

I still don't believe him. But that's because I'm very stubborn.
 
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I think of your scenarios the second is the more likely one. Thank you for your lecture.

I still don't believe him. But that's because I'm very stubborn.

Don't believe him all you want. It's no skin off my nose. It sounds pretty plausible to me that he almost died, but I'm going off the same secondhand reports as everyone else here.

Just remember that the diet of a vampire is not suitable for most of us! :D
 

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Don't believe him all you want. It's no skin off my nose. It sounds pretty plausible to me that he almost died, but I'm going off the same secondhand reports as everyone else here.

Just remember that the diet of a vampire is not suitable for most of us! :D

Now you tell me! I gotta go...
 

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Interesting info. on Roethlisberger.

Ron Cook: Big Ben must return with better work ethic
Tuesday, February 27, 2007
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

It's quite plausible, as former Steelers offensive coordinator Ken Whisenhunt suggested over the weekend, that Ben Roethlisberger's physical trauma contributed significantly to his lousy season in 2006. It had to have some impact, didn't it? A near-death experience in a horrific motorcycle accident. An emergency appendectomy. A concussion. How much abuse can a body take? How much mental anguish?

But while we're talking plausible, here's another theory:

Big Ben's poor work habits had just as much to do with his rotten play.

In that sense, Whisenhunt's candid observations about Roethlisberger at the NFL Combine in Indianapolis might do the Steelers considerable harm. The last thing Roethlisberger needs about now is an excuse. A kick in the fanny from new coach Mike Tomlin, perhaps. But definitely not an excuse.

In fairness to Whisenhunt, now the Arizona Cardinals' head coach, he wasn't trying to put the Steelers in a bad spot. He merely answered a question about the potential impact of Roethlisberger's injuries and appendectomy on his performance. He said, stressing hindsight, that he, along with everyone else in the organization, including former coach Bill Cowher, might have underestimated the effects of the accident on Roethlisberger. He said he noticed Roethlisberger seemed gun-shy in the pocket much of the season. He also said, again in hindsight, that the team might have been better off playing backup Charlie Batch in the second game against the Jacksonville Jaguars instead of starting Roethlisberger, who was just 15 days past his appendectomy and had missed the opener against the Miami Dolphins.

An honest answer to a fair question, to be sure.

But let's get one thing straight:

Hindsight or no hindsight, Cowher, Whisenhunt and the others did nothing wrong in their handling of Roethlisberger last season. Team doctors cleared Roethlisberger. He wanted to play. He's the franchise quarterback. The Steelers had to play him. They can live with his failures, his 23 interceptions, the team's disappointing 8-8 record. But losing with their backup quarterback would have been intolerable.

No one can say for sure what effects Roethlisberger's trauma had on him. Even now, he probably can't determine that. How do you measure something so ambiguous?

What we do know, though, is Roethlisberger almost certainly would have played better if he had cared more about his job. Maybe it was his immaturity. He won't turn 25 until Friday. Maybe he was a bit too full of himself after his first two NFL seasons were so spectacular. Who knows? But it wasn't exactly a secret at the Steelers' South Side headquarters that Big Ben wasn't the team's hardest worker. A lot of people -- team executives, coaches and even players -- joked how he frequently was the last on and the first off the practice field, although they didn't see much humor in it. Seldom did he stay after practice to throw to his receivers and work on his timing with them even though Hines Ward missed training camp with a hamstring injury, Nate Washington was getting his first real playing time and Santonio Holmes was a rookie. Maybe it would have been different if he had been putting in extra time in the film room. But he wasn't. He's no Peyton Manning that way.

It's nice to think Roethlisberger learned from everything that happened to him last year. One day soon, when he meets with the local media for the first time since the end of last season, he'll be asked about Whisenhunt's comments. Here's hoping he responds by saying: "You know what? I didn't play well last season. The reasons don't matter. I'm going to do everything I can to make sure it doesn't happen again."

Actually, Roethlisberger said something along those lines after he threw two interceptions in a home loss to the Baltimore Ravens in December, a defeat that eliminated the Steelers from playoff contention.

"I told some of the receivers and some of the other guys that we need to get better. I'm going to stay around here a lot. We'll work out together this offseason and get better together."

Thursday is March 1.

It's time for Roethlisberger to start living up to his word and honoring his commitment.

It's up to Tomlin to make sure he does.

Getting Big Ben right has to be the new coaching staff's No. 1 priority.
 
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