Whiz(and staff) deserve alot of credit

[CardinalChris]

We had a yeawth Mac I think we lost more games by 3 points or less than any team ever. What did that get us?

But did you ever feel like coach Mac was close to improving as a coach and the attitude on this team? That team quite anytime the score was more than a TD. I am not talking about scores. We were in almost EVERY game. We took punches and kept swinging, faught back when every coach Mac team would have rolled over.

 

[CaptTurbo]

But did you ever feel like coach Mac was close to improving as a coach and the attitude on this team? That team quite anytime the score was more than a TD. I am not talking about scores. We were in almost EVERY game. We took punches and kept swinging, faught back when every coach Mac team would have rolled over.

How can you have more 3 points or less (maybe it was actually 7) than any team ever in the NFL and be called 'rolling over'?

 

[Shane]

Dont think it was his call.

It was HIS CALL. the FO asked him to at least interview Pendy before making a decision. He did and decided to keep him.

 

[Cheesebeef]

We had a yeawth Mac I think we lost more games by 3 points or less than any team ever. What did that get us?

no we didn't. That team was coached by Tobin and the next season, they ended up being a playoff team that won a road playoff game. That's what it got us.

 

[Cheesebeef]

How can you have more 3 points or less (maybe it was actually 7) than any team ever in the NFL and be called 'rolling over'?

none of this ever happened with Mac.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Yes they have and Whis has caught far more critism than he deserves. He is going to be an awesome head coach and do a lot of special things here. Can you imagine if we ended up with my number two choice Cam Cameron :shudder:

We would have drafted Ted Ginn instead of Levi Brown!

 

[jstadvl]

I'mpretty sure a first year head coach is leraning alot as he goes. This team believes in him. I woiuld wager that next years wins will be at least three games better than this.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Offensively, the 2007 Cardinals are 16th in total offense. The 2006 Cardinals were... 18th in total offense. The biggest improvement on that side of the ball has come in actually scoring. The Cards this season are 9th in scoring offense, while last season they were 19th.

Defensively, the 2007 Cardinals are 14th in total defense. The 2006 Cardinals were 29th in total defense. In scoring defense, the Cards moved from 29th in 2006 to 23rd in 2007.

The main improvement this season is obviously that the Cards are much, much better at punching the ball in from the red zone. Otherwise, nothing much has changed, and "discipline" is much, much worse.


Is it possible that the main difference in the W/L column that this team is playing a Charmin-soft schedule? Last year, they played the AFC West (where every team but the Raiders was in the playoff hunt), the NFC North (Green Bay was average, at least), and at-large games against Dallas and Atlanta. This year they play the AFC North (with one good team in Pittsburgh and two bad ones in Bmore and Cincy) and the NFC South (which lacks even a good team). Not to mention that the NFC West is as weak as it's ever been.

Yea... yea... yea... Take the stats and throw em out the window. I believe you can turn any statisitcal number and make your point. The bottom line is we're scoring more points and giving up less. Thats why I say we are playing better.

 

[CardLogic]

We had a yeawth Mac I think we lost more games by 3 points or less than any team ever. What did that get us?

If you really believe that McGinnis and Whisenhunt are comparable as Head Coaches, then it's useless to discuss the subject!

 

[Mulli]

It should be "three points or fewer"

 

[PrescottLooie]

Hey guys, we have 6 wins with 4 games to go. We could have as many as 10 wins this season.

Next, it isn't JUST Whiz that excites me, he has assembled probably the best staff we've seen in MANY years and the players are actually being coached. I've said it many times and will say it again.......Whiz is the best off season acquisition we've had in years !

 

[CaptTurbo]

If you really believe that McGinnis and Whisenhunt are comparable as Head Coaches, then it's useless to discuss the subject!

You're right. Mac could get a call in from the sidelines in under 45 seconds and in time for Warner to get ready to run the play.

 

[Renz]

You're right. Mac could get a call in from the sidelines in under 45 seconds and in time for Warner to get ready to run the play.

Right, Whiz is the only head coach to ever get a delay of game penalty.

Advocating to fire a rookie head coach with a 6-6 record, especially coaching a franchise as moribund as the Cardinals, is flat-out ridiculous. Seriously, you are just making a fool of yourself.

 

[MrYeahBut]

swd, I think I get the point. Whiz has made some mistakes as a first year coach. I dont' think everyone here on the board is completely in love with him as coach either. I just feel like I might be a little more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being. While he has his faults, his results so far have shown an improvement at least as far as very recent history is concerned.

I know you have the right to critique his performance, but it seems to be just a tad premature and overly vehement at this point IMO

 

[CaptTurbo]

swd, I think I get the point. Whiz has made some mistakes as a first year coach. I dont' think everyone here on the board is completely in love with him as coach either. I just feel like I might be a little more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being. While he has his faults, his results so far have shown an improvement at least as far as very recent history is concerned.

I know you have the right to critique his performance, but it seems to be just a tad premature and overly vehement at this point IMO

Perhaps. And time will tell it always does. I just think he is riding the skill of his assistants. Granted he brought them in so kudos to him but he is just not head coach material imo. The #1 think I look at whne judging a head coach is penalties.

Why does a less talented Seahawks team show up in consitant form week in and week out and have very few penalities and win games? Coaching.

 

[joeshmo]

Next year I think Wiz needs to not be the play caller. Put in his offense then put in a OC who has a like mind but he should not be calling the plays. He needs to concentrate more on time management, game management, player disciplne, and other HC duties.

HC who try and call their own plays usually fail unless they already have a system, his players, and his coaches of like minds in place for a few years. Maybe he can go back to it in year 3 or 4 but not right now.

 

[Pariah]

For the record, I don't think whiz is without significant fault in some of the losses this season. But, he HAS coached us to a season in which we're competing for a playoff spot.

Out of curiousity, SWD, where did you pick the Cardinals to be at the end of the season? If they're tracking the way you thought it would go, why the angst? To coin a phrase, the Cards are what you thought they were. If they're doing better than you thought they would, then Whiz is ahead of the game. I can't imagine you picked them to win more than 6 or 7 games.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Next year I think Wiz needs to not be the play caller. .

BINGO!!!!!!

This has been my point for about my last 300 posts. Get an OC and an assistant HC that teaches dicipline and consistancy than Whiz can stay.

 

[CaptTurbo]

For the record, I don't think whiz is without significant fault in some of the losses this season. But, he HAS coached us to a season in which we're competing for a playoff spot.

Out of curiousity, SWD, where did you pick the Cardinals to be at the end of the season? If they're tracking the way you thought it would go, why the angst? To coin a phrase, the Cards are what you thought they were. If they're doing better than you thought they would, then Whiz is ahead of the game. I can't imagine you picked them to win more than 6 or 7 games.

Shoot Pariah every season opener Im thinkign 10 wins. Guess its why I am a true darksider after 20 years and not a fake like Cheese

 

[Pariah]

Shoot Pariah every season opener Im thinkign 10 wins.

True darksiders never predict 10 wins.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

You're right. Mac could get a call in from the sidelines in under 45 seconds and in time for Warner to get ready to run the play.

True. Too bad the Cards would likely be down 38-7 at the time though.

 

[Duckjake]

True. Too bad the Cards would likely be down 38-7 at the time though.

Like when McGinnis' team played the Browns and lost 44-6. Even worse this was one of only two wins by Cleveland in the last 10 games of the 2003 season.

 

[CardLogic]

True. Too bad the Cards would likely be down 38-7 at the time though.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Perhaps. And time will tell it always does. I just think he is riding the skill of his assistants. Granted he brought them in so kudos to him but he is just not head coach material imo. The #1 think I look at whne judging a head coach is penalties.

Why does a less talented Seahawks team show up in consitant form week in and week out and have very few penalities and win games? Coaching.

Thats great. Atleast I can understand you now. Last I checked though, the rest of the world judges them by wins and losses.

 

[JeffGollin]

Great Thread

The title of this thread seems innocent enough, but it raises a slew of issues I can't resist getting into:

1. Ask me about Wiz once the season has ended.

2. That said - qualitatively, I like the way he's handled the head coaching job so far.

3. The temptation is always to compare the new guy with coaches of the recent past, and I'd rather avoid doing so. Being a successful head coach involves a lot of things that few individuals are able to master totally - especially at first.

4. For example: the intense, "my way" coach may rev up his team for a season or two but unless he has other people skills to fall back on, his rap will get old and the players will eventually tune him out. Or the players may leave their guts on the field for a so-called "players coach" but the coach and his staff may put together horrific game plans each week, be lax on weight training or not be good at teaching each player how to become better.

5. The biggest improvements I've seen this year have to do with: (a) focus on teaching and developing each player, (b) better game preparation, (c) a "fix it & less move on" attitude - i.e. less ego and "fire for effect" in decision-making, (d) better composure by the HC and his staff - both during and between games and (e) more resiliance by the team as a unit.

6. There are still significant things that need to be fixed (i.e. penalties, mental lapses and occasional regression in mental toughness) but proof of the pudding is that we're 6 & 6 going into December, and it didn't happen "by magic" or because of all the lucky breaks we've been getting.

7. Teams typically take on the personality of their head coach. I like the personality of our head coach. It's one that apparently fosters winning. (I'll drink to that).