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Whiz Must go today


He and his arrogant manner of Coach including his player personnel use has destroyed. 4 Pro-bowlers he let go. A possible QB of the Future, because he was a "Party Boy." Well Whiz and his staff suck. Everything DG tried to build This Jerk has hurt our team.

He doesn't even go for the on side kick when he should have. Russ Grims pervirmance reminds me of Mean Joe Green as a coach. Both were great players but both suckas coaches.


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Who are the 4 pro bowlers he "Let go"?
 

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Who are the 4 pro bowlers he "Let go"?

Not the OP but I am guessing Boldin, DRC & Rolle...not sure who #4 is but not keeping Dansby is a mistake probably bigger than all the other 3.
 

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Something significant will need to happen for Whis to be fired this offseason and I can't see on reason at all that we would fire him during the season.
 

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Something significant will need to happen for Whis to be fired this offseason and I can't see on reason at all that we would fire him during the season.
Barring some miracle I have a feeling Whisenhunt and/or Graves are canned at the end of the season. I really get the impression M. Bidwill isn't screwing around and is commited to winning. I think he has a real opportunity here to show fans this isn't like the past and accepting failure is no longer an option.
 

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I wonder if Cower wants a GM position? Screw Whisenhunt firing, I want a GM- Keep the horse before trhe Cart for once.
 

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Yay! So we can get a new coach that struggles under a terrible front office.

Seriously though, let's get some good football people in charge of the organization and let them decide who should be the coach. I don't care of it's Whisenhunt or whoever else but it all starts up top.
 

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If I remember correctly the one time the Cardinals fired a coach mid season the replacement came in and turned the team around and won the last 2 games of the seasson. He vowed to never coach again.
 
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Who are the 4 pro bowlers he "Let go"?

Boldin, Dansby, DRC, ROLLE. You can add possible Breston someday.

This forum has become a forum of "LEMMIX." Follow the forums leaders or you will be always questioned no matter how wrong they may be, and let us not forget that wasted draft pick on "LEVI BROWN vs ADRIAN PETERSON."


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If I remember correctly the one time the Cardinals fired a coach mid season the replacement came in and turned the team around and won the last 2 games of the seasson. He vowed to never coach again.

That wasn't the last time but it did happen. Bud Wilkinson was replaced and Larry Wilson took over and went 2-1 in 1979. The last time they replaced a coach midseason was after the Cards were pummeled by Dallas in 2000. That led to the worst stretch of losses since the 1950s. As the McGinnis led Cards finished 1-9 and were outscored 233-69.
 

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Boldin, Dansby, DRC, ROLLE. You can add possible Breston someday.

This forum has become a forum of "LEMMIX." Follow the forums leaders or you will be always questioned no matter how wrong they may be, and let us not forget that wasted draft pick on "LEVI BROWN vs ADRIAN PETERSON."


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What is a "Lemmix"?
 

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That wasn't the last time but it did happen. Bud Wilkinson was replaced and Larry Wilson took over and went 2-1 in 1979. The last time they replaced a coach midseason was after the Cards were pummeled by Dallas in 2000. That led to the worst stretch of losses since the 1950s. As the McGinnis led Cards finished 1-9 and were outscored 233-69.

Didn't they fire Stallings midseason too?

FWIW I don't think Whisenhunt gets fired during the year but I think if we finish the season worse than last season he is gone especially after ownership claimed we went "all in" this offseason...the big question is does Graves precede him out the door.
 

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Whiz Must go today



He and his arrogant manner of Coach including his player personnel use has destroyed. 4 Pro-bowlers he let go. A possible QB of the Future, because he was a "Party Boy." Well Whiz and his staff suck. Everything DG tried to build This Jerk has hurt our team.

He doesn't even go for the on side kick when he should have. Russ Grims pervirmance reminds me of Mean Joe Green as a coach. Both were great players but both suckas coaches.


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Boldin, Dansby, DRC, ROLLE. You can add possible Breston someday.

This forum has become a forum of "LEMMIX." Follow the forums leaders or you will be always questioned no matter how wrong they may be, and let us not forget that wasted draft pick on "LEVI BROWN vs ADRIAN PETERSON."


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How is anyone expected to take this crap seriously? I mean really lol. My six year old would be ashamed of submitting this to his teacher. Whiz may or may not suck, but to try and talk down about a man with a civil engineering degree when you can barely compose a complete thought is more than a bit assinine IMO.

Our team is not very good right now, plain and simple. I will be the first to admit that I OD'd on the koolaide after FA and should have listened to Cheesebeef and the darksiders on more than one account. With that said, things really aren't nearly as bad as some of you are attempting to make them out to be. I seriously doubt Whiz is canned after the season and personally have faith in him to right the ship.
 

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Yay! So we can get a new coach that struggles under a terrible front office.

Seriously though, let's get some good football people in charge of the organization and let them decide who should be the coach. I don't care of it's Whisenhunt or whoever else but it all starts up top.

This. Whis isn't getting fired after this offseason, or even likely during the season next year. We're not paying an entire coaching staff. One of the savviest things that Whis has done is hire new coordinators every season, extending the contract holdover that is going to be in place that the Cards have to factor into their decision-making.

The Cards need/ought to fire Graves his offseason--surely he's not getting paid more than Whis--and bring in a legitimate general manager to take personnel authority away from Whis. If Whis is not forced to stand up for his personnel decisions week after week, he might be able to take the players that he's given and do more with them.

Hopefully Michael Bidwill doesn't feel burned by Whis telling him that Kolb was The Man and hold him responsible for that choice this offseason.
 

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Didn't they fire Stallings midseason too?

FWIW I don't think Whisenhunt gets fired during the year but I think if we finish the season worse than last season he is gone especially after ownership claimed we went "all in" this offseason...the big question is does Graves precede him out the door.

Yes they did and Hank Kuhlman was 0-5 as interim coach. Reports are that Stallings told the Bidwills he would resign effective at the end of the season so they fired him on the spot.

Gene went on to win 4 SEC West Titles and the National Championship in 1992 at Alabama.
 

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This. Whis isn't getting fired after this offseason, or even likely during the season next year. We're not paying an entire coaching staff. One of the savviest things that Whis has done is hire new coordinators every season, extending the contract holdover that is going to be in place that the Cards have to factor into their decision-making.

The Cards need/ought to fire Graves his offseason--surely he's not getting paid more than Whis--and bring in a legitimate general manager to take personnel authority away from Whis. If Whis is not forced to stand up for his personnel decisions week after week, he might be able to take the players that he's given and do more with them.

Hopefully Michael Bidwill doesn't feel burned by Whis telling him that Kolb was The Man and hold him responsible for that choice this offseason.

sadly, we KNOW this won't happen. Bidwill's already come out and said they did more than enough in the offseason (going "all in" on an aging injury prone TE... who's been injury prone... the worst CB in the league last year... who's looked like the worst CB in the league this year... a mediocre G, who's looked like a mediocre G... a completely washed up, broken down out of position LBer who looks like a completely washed up, broken down out of position LBer) to put a good team on the field. I believe that statement means he actually thinks they did a good job in the off-season and most of the season's results are based strictly on coaching.
 

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sadly, we KNOW this won't happen. Bidwill's already come out and said they did more than enough in the offseason (going "all in" on an aging injury prone TE... who's been injury prone... the worst CB in the league last year... who's looked like the worst CB in the league this year... a mediocre G, who's looked like a mediocre G... a completely washed up, broken down out of position LBer who looks like a completely washed up, broken down out of position LBer) to put a good team on the field. I believe that statement means he actually thinks they did a good job in the off-season and most of the season's results are based strictly on coaching.

That's the diabolical genius of Rod Graves. He goes out and gets the players the coaching staff asks for, and then absolves himself of responsibility as long as the salary cap situation is solid. You can't fire him unless you decide that you need a stronger general manager, who is going to allow more conflict with the front office.

There was a good free agent signing in Jeff King. He's exceeded my expectations. Daryn Colledge has more or less met my expectations. Basically what you said, but I liked Jeff King, and Heap was kind of a bonus--I didn't get the impression that he was part of the plan.

The problem is that Whis likely identified Kolb as his guy and told Bidwill that this is the guy that we can win with. I think that's part of the reason he continues to blame the shortened offseason for our problems (and the guys under the Cards' payroll are repeating this endlessly). Is Kolb better than he's shown? Probably. I didn't expect him to be this bad. But is he a guy who's going to be a Top 10 QB? No way.

If the coaching staff told Bidwill that they could win with these guys, then the solution isn't to hold the coaching staff directly responsible, IMO. The solution is to stop allowing coaches to choose the groceries. Whis is right that his system does work, but it only works with Denny's players or a Pittsburgh talent evaluation system that has an insitutional memory that goes back at least two generations.

I just don't think we can take a step forward by empowering more coaches to choose their players. The step that I think they should take is get a talent evaluator into the General Manager's seat and let him identify good players. Talent is clearly declining year after year, and preaching patience with Patrick Peterson and Kevin Kolb don't solve that problem.
 

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Say what you want about him, and he wasn't much of a QB (though he did win a SB), but, I really respect Trent Dilfer's analysis of this game... I find him to be more spot on than just about any other relevant "expert" analyst.
This morning, he was on The Herd and he was on fire... The convo eventually turned to the 9ers, and Dilfer played his hand. Went on to say that the 9ers will be relevant and will be dominant for the next 10 years. Why? Because of: 1.) Ownership, 2.) The best GM in the game today in Trent Baalke, 3.) Great coaching.

He then went on to point to their drafting and some terrific FA pick-ups... He essentially pointed out EVERYTHING that is so drastically wrong with the Cards.
Ugggggghghhhhhhhhh...... :bang::mad::bang:
 
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