Whiz Must go today

[82CardsGrad]

He was a better option and 7 wins would have put the team in the postseason. How many QBs played for your team last year after he was cut? Rip me if it makes you feel better, but pretty much everything I said would happen has happened. Whiz will be fired, and you will still defend the guy. Leinart was the better option. That isn't debatable. That doesn't mean he was great either. Dream world......I am living in reality and have been for a while. Look at the record with the choices Whiz has made.

What's with all the Matty love?? You're not related to theSmel are you??

 

[azsouthendzone]

Leinart = Kevin Kolb. We're seeing where that gets us.

Maybe they win one more game last year... but I don't know how. Captain Checkdown + no running game with Beanie hurt most of last year + Awful defense = terrible team.

Leinart was in this failure of a system for years. That right there is a step ahead. They only needed two more wins.

 

[azsouthendzone]

What's with all the Matty love?? You're not related to theSmel are you??

I just want wins. Winning is hard enough without cutting your starting QB days before the season opener. If he failed, fine, move on. But the timing is what I have a problem with, not the move itself. It was a bad move at the wrong time.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Leinart was in this failure of a system for years. That right there is a step ahead. They only needed two more wins.

assuming they would have gotten those is assuming a lot. and him being in the system of failure just means he would have been more practiced at failing.

we suck, he's heartless and didn't try to get a starting job with a ton open and the only hope we have is when wiz and graves are fired. none of the above can honestly be argued in my opinion, so I'm outta here on this thread.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I just want wins. Winning is hard enough without cutting your starting QB days before the season opener. If he failed, fine, move on. But the timing is what I have a problem with, not the move itself. It was a bad move at the wrong time.

it was definitely a bad move, but ultimately, i don't think matt being here would have made that much of a difference. i mean, the only wins we did get were seemingly miracle wins... the best kicker in the league misses a chip-shot field goal? we beat the defending super bowl champs without scoring an offensive touchdown? i mean, last year's team was baaaaaaaaaaaaad. unbelievably, we went "all in" and this year's team is WORSE.

i hate football.

 

[azsouthendzone]

it was definitely a bad move, but ultimately, i don't think matt being here would have made that much of a difference. i mean, the only wins we did get were seemingly miracle wins... the best kicker in the league misses a chip-shot field goal? we beat the defending super bowl champs without scoring an offensive touchdown? i mean, last year's team was baaaaaaaaaaaaad. unbelievably, we went "all in" and this year's team is WORSE.

i hate football.

True enough. No more on Matt. I just expected the success to last a little longer. Winning was fun.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I just want wins. Winning is hard enough without cutting your starting QB days before the season opener. If he failed, fine, move on. But the timing is what I have a problem with, not the move itself. It was a bad move at the wrong time.

I'll grant you that it was an unconventional move... however, I don't think it was the wrong move. And, I still believe that the final decision was heavily influenced by player input - solicited or not. I think Whiz knew that Matty lost the support from the players. I think the players saw what Whiz saw - that as bad as he is, De-Wreck Anderson offered a better chance for W's than did Matty. Perhaps only because Anderson wanted the ball, whereas Matty showed the opposite. If I'm heading into a battle, and I've got a 6'5", 240 pound chiseled soldier who I know has tyhe potential to be a major killing machine but doesn't want to fight, and a 5'9" warrior who LOVES to kill - guess who I'm riding with??

I think the team and Whiz picked the dude they thought loved to kill... it backfired of course, but, I can respect the decision.

 

[azsouthendzone]

I think the team and Whiz picked the dude they thought loved to kill... it backfired of course, but, I can respect the decision.

He killed any chance of winning football games, killed a season, a fanbase..

 

[82CardsGrad]

He killed any chance of winning football games, killed a season, a fanbase..

Nonsense... SCUD didn't do anything Matty woudn't have also done... It's this season that is taking the veil off of things. Whiz's inadequacies. The dirth of talent throughout the coaching ranks, not to mention the players themselves...
Last season was a given. But nobody honestly predicted the train wreck this year.

 

[football karma]

changing NFL coaches mid stream pretty much never, ever works -- other than make fans feel better for about three days

then the losses keep coming, and its all for naught

the team would be better off with a real GM that does more than simply grant most of the coaches wishes

 

[Chopper0080]

That's the diabolical genius of Rod Graves. He goes out and gets the players the coaching staff asks for, and then absolves himself of responsibility as long as the salary cap situation is solid. You can't fire him unless you decide that you need a stronger general manager, who is going to allow more conflict with the front office.

There was a good free agent signing in Jeff King. He's exceeded my expectations. Daryn Colledge has more or less met my expectations. Basically what you said, but I liked Jeff King, and Heap was kind of a bonus--I didn't get the impression that he was part of the plan.

The problem is that Whis likely identified Kolb as his guy and told Bidwill that this is the guy that we can win with. I think that's part of the reason he continues to blame the shortened offseason for our problems (and the guys under the Cards' payroll are repeating this endlessly). Is Kolb better than he's shown? Probably. I didn't expect him to be this bad. But is he a guy who's going to be a Top 10 QB? No way.

If the coaching staff told Bidwill that they could win with these guys, then the solution isn't to hold the coaching staff directly responsible, IMO. The solution is to stop allowing coaches to choose the groceries. Whis is right that his system does work, but it only works with Denny's players or a Pittsburgh talent evaluation system that has an insitutional memory that goes back at least two generations.

I just don't think we can take a step forward by empowering more coaches to choose their players. The step that I think they should take is get a talent evaluator into the General Manager's seat and let him identify good players. Talent is clearly declining year after year, and preaching patience with Patrick Peterson and Kevin Kolb don't solve that problem.

This is a pretty solid post.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

No more on Matt.

Thank you. Glad Captain Checkdown decided he'd rather fight with Sage for a backup spot them compete with mighty Tavarais and Football Jesus. If that doesn't tell you everything you need to know about the guy, I don't know what will.

Regardless, we gave up a pro bowl corner, 60 million and a high 2nd rounder for another qb that has no pocket presence, questionable accuracy and rarely is accurate down the field.

Dark days are here again.

 

[Duckjake]

assuming they would have gotten those is assuming a lot. and him being in the system of failure just means he would have been more practiced at failing.

we suck, he's heartless and didn't try to get a starting job with a ton open and the only hope we have is when wiz and graves are fired. none of the above can honestly be argued in my opinion, so I'm outta here on this thread.

Sounds like he would have been a perfect fit for QB on this years team.

 

[chickenhead]

For whatever reason I don't think Whiz gets fired before the end of the season and I actually think he'll be here next season. Though whether it's now or later I just don't know who our candidates are. I don't think the top candidates want to work for this organization.