Who do you take in this scenario...

[Bodha]

Harry - your really high on Williams. Is there an NFL player you would compare him to?

Michael Floyd

Big bodied, physical WR, but not fast enough to get open so most of his catches are spectacular circus catches with minimal YAC

 

[Russ Smith]

My educated guess would be the Cardinals do not take a CB in the 1st round period. I think they still believe they can develop Williams or Bethel. My guess is you take CB right out of the picture. The same goes for an OT, not in the 1st round.


Russ I think the Cardinals will view Peppers as another HB. They will be able to move him around and use him the same as HB. It also give them insurance in case HB doesn't come back well from all of his injuries.

I just don't think he's as good as HB was pre injury, not even close IMO, he's got 1 INT in 3 years of college combined. If anything he's a S but he hasn't showed much ball hawking skill at all.

In 2 years at LSU HB had 4 INT's, 8 recovered fumbles and 11 forced fumbles.

In 3 years at Michigan Peppers has 1, 0 and 0, in fact Peppers stats are so bad I'm actually wondering if Sports Reference.com doesn't have those stats accurate I'd have bet I'd seen him with a fumble recovery at some point

Harbaugh said he expects Peppers to run a 4.4 at the combine, it'll be interesting to see he does not strike me as a guy who's that fast. There's mixed reviews some scouts have him top 10, very versatile etc, others say what I said, he has no true position. His value in college was his versatility, multiple positions, KR, play some offense, in the NFL he might return punts but people aren't picking a guy in the first round without a real position IMO.

 

[JeffGollin]

Probably trade down (at #13, we seem to be picking from the midst of a talent-plateau and could find quality deeper).

That said, I notice that the OT from Wisconsin (Remczyk?) is rated ahead of Cam Robinson on some boards. Hmm...he or Peppers would be intriguing.

Or a late-riser due to Senior Bowl, Combine or Pro Day performance.

It's still early, chillun.

 

[Bodha]

That said, I notice that the OT from Wisconsin (Remczyk?) is rated ahead of Cam Robinson on some boards. Hmm...he or Peppers would be intriguing.

If we must take a 1st round OT, id be happy with Ramczyk. Stick him at G if need be.

This is an extremely weak draft for OTs. Probably not a true 1st rounder in the bunch.

 

[Chopper0080]

1. Cleveland - Myles Garrett
2. San Francisco - Mitch Trubisky
3. Chicago Bears - Deshaun Watson
4. Jacksonville - Jonathon Allen
5. Tennessee - Jamal Adams
6. New York - Deshone Kizer
7. San Diego - Malik Hooker
8. Carolina - Corey Davis
9. Cincinnati - Rueben Foster
10. Buffalo - Mike Williams
11. New Orleans - Derek Barnett
12. Cleveland - Quincy Wilson
13. ???

OJ Howard.

Improves the pass game.
Improves the running game.
Improves red zone offense.
Improves 3rd down offense.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

1. Cleveland - Myles Garrett
2. San Francisco - Mitch Trubisky
3. Chicago Bears - Deshaun Watson
4. Jacksonville - Jonathon Allen
5. Tennessee - Jamal Adams
6. New York - Deshone Kizer
7. San Diego - Malik Hooker
8. Carolina - Corey Davis
9. Cincinnati - Rueben Foster
10. Buffalo - Mike Williams
11. New Orleans - Derek Barnett
12. Cleveland - Quincy Wilson
13. ???

This won't happen. Not with fournette and cook available. One, and probably both, go before our selection.

 

[Cardiac]

OJ Howard.

Improves the pass game.
Improves the running game.
Improves red zone offense.
Improves 3rd down offense.

If you keep on posting this it may just be out in the universe enough to happen. Sort of how Cbus willed Beanie to fall to us when we drafted him.

I've heard BA talk about Miller (TE in Pitt) enough to believe if given the proper one he would use him to make a big impact. Didn't BASK draft Niklas in the 2nd rd but we all know he hasn't been able to avoid the injury bug. I won't rule out Howard as a viable option and I'm really starting to warm up to your thoughts on him.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

He is only 29 years old as of now, should be able to play at least 4-5 years at tackle. I'm hoping hump becomes a high quality LT, Veldheer at RT and our tackle positions are solid until 2021.

Money may become the main issue with him sticking around. I agree that I like those 2 at LT and RT respectively.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Probably trade down (at #13, we seem to be picking from the midst of a talent-plateau and could find quality deeper).

That said, I notice that the OT from Wisconsin (Remczyk?) is rated ahead of Cam Robinson on some boards. Hmm...he or Peppers would be intriguing.

Or a late-riser due to Senior Bowl, Combine or Pro Day performance.

It's still early, chillun.

Can't go wrong with Wisky OL. They all seem to perform well in the NFL.

 

[Finito]

I'd probably take Cam Robinson. Veldheer probably only has 1-2 more years with the Cards. Robinson and Humphries potentially locks up the OT position for the long term. Plus, he's probably BPA at that point.

When drafting high, I'm always a person that will take the #1 guy at a position over the #4-5 guy at another position.

That's what I would do. I move him inside at RG. He's a big strong kid.

 

[Mitch]

Is anyone else getting leery of drafting o-linemen early and switching them to another position?

 

[WisconsinCard]

Can't go wrong with Wisky OL. They all seem to perform well in the NFL.

Lets see how his surgery goes, that hip could be a real problem.

 

[Finito]

Is anyone else getting leery of drafting o-linemen early and switching them to another position?

I'm comfortable taking a tackle and moving him to guard I would never take a guard and move him to tackle

 

[Harry]

Harry - your really high on Williams. Is there an NFL player you would compare him to?

I hesitate to make these types of comparisons but since you asked; Fitzgerald. He catches the ball with his hands, not his body. He also has great timing and agility. He adjusts well to balls thrown to the wrong side. He catches the ball at the zenith of his leap. He has good, but not great speed. He can, however, catch the ball even when double-teamed. He the kind of receiver who can play effectively for a long time. You can build a receiving corps around him.

 

[iRobot]

Is anyone else getting leery of drafting o-linemen early and switching them to another position?

Dolphins have had some success with Tunsil at OG

 

[Ohcrap75]

I hesitate to make these types of comparisons but since you asked; Fitzgerald. He catches the ball with his hands, not his body. He also has great timing and agility. He adjusts well to balls thrown to the wrong side. He catches the ball at the zenith of his leap. He has good, but not great speed. He can, however, catch the ball even when double-teamed. He the kind of receiver who can play effectively for a long time. You can build a receiving corps around him.

What do you think of Allen Robinson or Alshon Jeffrey comps? I agree with your assessment. His ability to adjust and body control are very impressive. Many WR are big and can jump, but its about timing and positioning your body between the ball and defender.

 

[JeffGollin]

Is anyone else getting leery of drafting o-linemen early and switching them to another position?

I'm becoming less and less dependent on rules - there are too many exceptions that take teams to playoffs.

Better we evaluate each prospect based on their measurables, production and upside and go thumbs-up or thumbs-down based on what we see and what our common sense and gut says about each player.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Is anyone else getting leery of drafting o-linemen early and switching them to another position?

I am leery of drafting an offensive linemen in the 1st round, period. That being said, learning from the past, you gotta take that chance from time to time and invest in the position, or you get 2009 all over again.

Doesn't hurt Robinson is a bulldozer of a run blocker to boot. Run blocking is going to be important for this team if they really want to make a run (lol) next year.

David Johnson is the offense. Imagine what Johnson could do behind a better line, and if he was like E.Elliot and doesn't get touched until he is at the 2nd level of the defense ?

 

[Chopper0080]

If you keep on posting this it may just be out in the universe enough to happen. Sort of how Cbus willed Beanie to fall to us when we drafted him.

I've heard BA talk about Miller (TE in Pitt) enough to believe if given the proper one he would use him to make a big impact. Didn't BASK draft Niklas in the 2nd rd but we all know he hasn't been able to avoid the injury bug. I won't rule out Howard as a viable option and I'm really starting to warm up to your thoughts on him.

Lol. Honestly, I don't believe it will happen, even though I believe it is the best route to improving our offense overall. The NFL has become such a situational game, and consistency in those situations what helps make you consistent. I look at all of the areas that a top notch TE can impact our offense and it is exciting to me. Imagine getting a player who helps both Carson Palmer AND David Johnson. A player who can block in the red zone or be a size mismatch outside. To be fair, I have always loved what TEs can do for offenses and it has always been disappointing that we have never had one who was anything more than average.

 

[Harry]

Only recently have guards been drafted early. For most previous drafts it was common to take the second tier of tackles with the intent of playing them at guard. Most guard to tackle moves are not intentional but happen due to mid-season injury.