Who is Josh Jackson?

[NashDishesDimes]

What does Josh Jackson do well? Im curious is to why he is even seeing an NBA floor. His shooting percentage is horrendous, hes constantly out of control, and turns over the ball like crazy. On top of it, his +\- is terrible.

The glass is half full argument im sure is “hes young” or “raw”. I think i could find 10,000 other guys who are athletic, young, and raw but have zero basketball IQ, awareness, or shootint ability.

He was touted as an “elite” defender at least, im not even sure hes good at that.

If i was a teammate of his and he was starting over TJ, Bridges, or even Davon Reed id have some questions.

Somebody, probably Book needs to tell him to come off the bench, chill, watch tape, focus on defense and scoring in the open court. If his game devops from there, great, but as of now he doesnt deserve a minute of PT.

 

[Krangodnzr]

What does Josh Jackson do well? Im curious is to why he is even seeing an NBA floor. His shooting percentage is horrendous, hes constantly out of control, and turns over the ball like crazy. On top of it, his +\- is terrible.

The glass is half full argument im sure is “hes young” or “raw”. I think i could find 10,000 other guys who are athletic, young, and raw but have zero basketball IQ, awareness, or shootint ability.

He was touted as an “elite” defender at least, im not even sure hes good at that.

If i was a teammate of his and he was starting over TJ, Bridges, or even Davon Reed id have some questions.

Somebody, probably Book needs to tell him to come off the bench, chill, watch tape, focus on defense and scoring in the open court. If his game devops from there, great, but as of now he doesnt deserve a minute of PT.

Over reaction much? JJ has very much been streaky as hell since he was drafted, but that's to be expected for a 2nd year player.

 

[Errntknght]

Don't you know that JJ playing out of control and shooting poorly is all on Shaq Harrison's head? 1Sun has not elaborated the actual details of exactly how it works yet, but he can see it - and he's amazed the rest of us cannot. And don't bring up the fact that Harrison wasn't on the floor at all for the last demonstration because... oh shoot I forgot how it all ties together. I think it's a carryover from SL or last season or something like that.

 

[GatorAZ]

A more athletic MKG.

 

[sunsfan88]

Over reaction much? JJ has very much been streaky as hell since he was drafted, but that's to be expected for a 2nd year player.

Eh I feel like this could be used to describe Chriss’ rookie season as well. And yeah I know Jackson probably had a better 2nd season than Chriss and I doubt Jackson will become a complete bust like Chriss either.

OP’s point is valid though. Especially considering Jackson is 21 and only a year younger than Booker as well. He’s the same as age as Ingram and younger than Tatum.

 

[SirStefan32]

So, Jackson does a lot of thing well. He can defend, he can get to the rim, he can pass. His problem is that he gets caught up in trying to do too much. He needs to slow down, defend, not hold the ball, not commit frustration fouls, and he flat out needs to stop trying to score in iso situations.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

So, Jackson does a lot of thing well. He can defend, he can get to the rim, he can pass. His problem is that he gets caught up in trying to do too much. He needs to slow down, defend, not hold the ball, not commit frustration fouls, and he flat out needs to stop trying to score in iso situations.

Jackson's got a long way to go before he deserves to be in the same sentence as this guy, so I'll start a new one. Shawn Marion did a lot of super annoying things, usually when he was trying to force things. He would do the things he wasn't good at a lot, but the things he was great at more than made up for it. Jackson gives me that same feeling watching him, except the good hasn't eclipsed the bad consistently yet. If he can focus on the things he is awesome at and limit his usage in problem areas, I still think he could be a great fit with Booker and Ayton.

 

[Proximo]

The thing about Jackson is on any given night he is good, or he is horrendous. There does not seem to be a middle ground.

Considering how many wing options the suns currently have, if he is having one of those nights, I think he needs to be benched for the game, because I have never seen him come out of one of these funks once it starts.

 

[SirStefan32]

The thing about Jackson is on any given night he is good, or he is horrendous. There does not seem to be a middle ground.

Considering how many wing options the suns currently have, if he is having one of those nights, I think he needs to be benched for the game, because I have never seen him come out of one of these funks once it starts.

Signing Ariza, and keeping Warren doesn't sound so bad when you put it that way.

 

[Phrazbit]

Jackson does a ton of stuff well when he isn't trying to be a hero. If we dump him too soon those that are degrading him now will be furious about dumping him in a few years.

I hate when young players seem invisible, I LOVE when young players seem like they're everywhere. Jackson is a ball of energy and talent... he just isn't good at focusing it yet.

 

[sunsfan88]

Signing Ariza, and keeping Warren doesn't sound so bad when you put it that way.

And drafting Bridges.

 

[Yuma]

So, Jackson does a lot of thing well. He can defend, he can get to the rim, he can pass. His problem is that he gets caught up in trying to do too much. He needs to slow down, defend, not hold the ball, not commit frustration fouls, and he flat out needs to stop trying to score in iso situations.

JJ and Bender are the opposites. JJ is trying too hard. Bender the game is too fast for him right now. Both need to concentrate on one move at a time. JJ slows down a bit he will be fine. His confidence is good. Bender has to slow down and concentrate on, catch ball, look at defender, look at floor, someone open pass, defender playing off shoot, defender up tight drive. Bender you can see he's thinking too much before he even gets the ball, which leads to him dropping it. Then he decides drive or shoot before the ball gets there. JJ is just playing 100 MPH which leads to turn overs or not as high as shooting percentage. He reminds me of Kevin Johnson. He was playing WAY too fast when we first got him and just could not finish at the rim because he was going 100 MPH. When KJ learned to switch speeds, he became a deadly finisher, and one man fast break. JJ slowed down last year, and maybe it was fatigue, LOL. But that helped him.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

Over reaction much? JJ has very much been streaky as hell since he was drafted, but that's to be expected for a 2nd year player.

Streaky? What is he good at? Of course we understand ge is young, but a rookie with potential will have flashes, great games and bad ones, he doesnt have any flashes. If he makes a nice play its usually a stupid decision that ends up with a score out of blind confidence and athleticsm.

Not giving up on him but he should be a rotational guy at this point and should not be a top 3 scoring option on the floor at all. He takes the most shots in every game and it cripples the offense.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Streaky? What is he good at? Of course we understand ge is young, but a rookie with potential will have flashes, great games and bad ones, he doesnt have any flashes. If he makes a nice play its usually a stupid decision that ends up with a score out of blind confidence and athleticsm.

Not giving up on him but he should be a rotational guy at this point and should not be a top 3 scoring option on the floor at all. He takes the most shots in every game and it cripples the offense.

Did you take the season off last year? He was horrible the first part of the season but he had a lot of very good, almost great games later. I don't know what's going on with him right now, he looks more like the guy we saw last November but the other guy is in there somewhere. Granted, both versions need to shoot better consistently but he has shown flashes of greatness.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Admittedly he has terrible scoring efficiency numbers. But the rest of his game looks good, or at least promising. I don’t think he’s ever going to be a volume scorer because he’s just not a good shooter. But I could see him apexing around 17pts/game which would be fine alongside two guys who likely average between 23-28pts each. But he could be a terrific Swiss Army knife. Think a more athletic Otto porter (which is still disappointing imo). Then again, he’s played one year of college and one season of pro ball. Why don’t we wait before we start saying he sucks?

 

[elindholm]

The only reason to be disappointed in Jackson is if you bought into the hype that he was going to be the best player in his draft class -- either that, or the ridiculous fantasy that the Suns outsmarted Ainge in order to get him. Instead, he is what he is, the #4 pick in a mediocre draft, a young guy with both potential and question marks. He's a good athlete with good size and a certain degree of defensive awareness, but he's unskilled offensively and doesn't have enough experience to think in terms of team strategy. Maybe he'll get better and maybe he won't, but he's still within the range of any reasonable expectation for this stage of his development.

 

[WildBB]

Admittedly he has terrible scoring efficiency numbers. But the rest of his game looks good, or at least promising. I don’t think he’s ever going to be a volume scorer because he’s just not a good shooter. But I could see him apexing around 17pts/game which would be fine alongside two guys who likely average between 23-28pts each. But he could be a terrific Swiss Army knife. Think a more athletic Otto porter (which is still disappointing imo). Then again, he’s played one year of college and one season of pro ball. Why don’t we wait before we start saying he sucks?

Right?! I thought he was maybe the lone bright spot in the 2nd half of last year. At least his giddyup isn't suspect. He's pretty fearless.

 

[sunsfan88]

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Ayton is #1 while Jackson is 2nd to dead last behind only Andrew Wiggins.

 

[1tinsoldier]

Jackson does a ton of stuff well when he isn't trying to be a hero. If we dump him too soon those that are degrading him now will be furious about dumping him in a few years.

I hate when young players seem invisible, I LOVE when young players seem like they're everywhere. Jackson is a ball of energy and talent... he just isn't good at focusing it yet.

i agree. hopefully, he just needs disciplined coaching to turn his energy into positive production.

i recall that when i suggested Josh be on the table for a deal to upgrade our 2nd pick, pre-draft, no one was on board with that. now, after a handful of summer games, the sentiments have turned.

josh + picks and we could have outbid Dallas for Doncic
-- another reason to fire McD
(few also thought McD would be fired this summer)

 

[AzStevenCal]

i agree. hopefully, he just needs disciplined coaching to turn his energy into positive production.

i recall that when i suggested Josh be on the table for a deal to upgrade our 2nd pick, pre-draft, no one was on board with that. now, after a handful of summer games, the sentiments have turned.

josh + picks and we could have outbid Dallas for Doncic
-- another reason to fire McD
(few also thought McD would be fired this summer)

He'd still probably get fired because we'd still have a gaping hole at point guard.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

Did you take the season off last year? He was horrible the first part of the season but he had a lot of very good, almost great games later. I don't know what's going on with him right now, he looks more like the guy we saw last November but the other guy is in there somewhere. Granted, both versions need to shoot better consistently but he has shown flashes of greatness.

I actually did watch almost every game last year. He did look significantly better but just didnt look right, his makes are just bad shots, his FG% was terrible and i doubt teams even game planned for him. Heck, even tyler ullis looked good two years ago during the tank-a-palooza

 

[Phrazbit]

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Ayton is #1 while Jackson is 2nd to dead last behind only Andrew Wiggins.

Ayton is going to be a supernova.

Jackson is playing like crap because he forces things and tries to do too much.

Wiggins is even worse because he's lazy, bad and doesn't give a crap. That dude was supposed to be a generational player and instead he is a poor man's Ricky Davis.

 

[Phrazbit]

He'd still probably get fired because we'd still have a gaping hole at point guard.

Nah, because, for better or worse, Doncic would be our point guard.

However, I also do not think that would have gotten the deal done. Atlanta had the hots for Trae Young, they wouldn't have done that deal if they didn't like him more than Doncic. No chance that Jackson and some probable mid round picks gets them to give up that slot.

 

[Proximo]

The thing about Jackson is you know he is capable of being a good player.

Most of his problems right now are stupid shot selection, and getting out of control.

I do think his shot looks better. I think he will become at least an OK shooter in time.

The question is can the coach get him under control. I guess history suggests they can't.

I want to see him and Booker together for a couple months before I decide whether we should be looking to move him. Of course, other teams may make a decision on his value by then also.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The thing about Jackson is you know he is capable of being a good player.

Most of his problems right now are stupid shot selection, and getting out of control.

I do think his shot looks better. I think he will become at least an OK shooter in time.

The question is can the coach get him under control. I guess history suggests they can't.

I want to see him and Booker together for a couple months before I decide whether we should be looking to move him. Of course, other teams may make a decision on his value by then also.

Man your guys’ trigger fingers . . . wow.

He played largely under control with Bill Self. Igor has barely had an opportunity with him and you’re already saying “I guess history suggests [he] can’t.” I don’t get it.