Who Still Listens To REM?

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This is not necessarily a poll question or anything of that sort... I'm just wondering who has continued to listen to REM ever since Bill Berry left the band due to illness in '95? I know that they started "selling-out" on "Monster", however, their music has since gotten worse (except for the song "Great Beyond" featured on the Andy Kaufman film biography "Man On The Moon" soundtrack)....

I guess I still yearn for their "Murmur"-"Green"...Yes, "Out of Time" and "Automatic for the People" both had some quite memorable moments on both respective albums, but they didnt capture the essence of them.....

I guess the real question is....Who has bought or listens to any of their work post "Monster"?
 
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Losing My Religion is pretty much the only song I like of theirs. Oh and Shiny Happy People, too.
 

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thirty-two said:
Losing My Religion is pretty much the only song I like of theirs. Oh and Shiny Happy People, too.

Wow. Those are probably two of the worst REM songs imo. One of the guys, I think it was Berry, even said that if they kept making crap music like Shiny Happy People and not get back to their roots he was going to leave the band. If it was Berry, he did quit but it was for a different reason.

Not a knock on your taste, to each their own I guess but looking at REMs stuff on as a whole, thats definitely the lower end of the spectrum. I personally don't think anything that has come out after Green is very good. I wouldn't buy Monster or anything post that for sure. So I guess that answers KLL's original question.

Pick up Document. Thats a terrific album, "The Finest Worksong" "Exhuming McCarthy" "Oddfellows Local 151" and of course, "The One I Love" are all classics. I personally like Life's Rich Pageant as well as probably with Document as the top two REM albums. Green has some great songs as well but I think the other two as a whole are better.

I used to like Murmur quite a bit as well, walking home from school with the cassette walkman... wow thats a long time ago.
 

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bratwurst said:
Wow. Those are probably two of the worst REM songs imo. One of the guys, I think it was Berry, even said that if they kept making crap music like Shiny Happy People and not get back to their roots he was going to leave the band. If it was Berry, he did quit but it was for a different reason.

Not a knock on your taste, to each their own I guess but looking at REMs stuff on as a whole, thats definitely the lower end of the spectrum. I personally don't think anything that has come out after Green is very good. I wouldn't buy Monster or anything post that for sure. So I guess that answers KLL's original question.

Pick up Document. Thats a terrific album, "The Finest Worksong" "Exhuming McCarthy" "Oddfellows Local 151" and of course, "The One I Love" are all classics. I personally like Life's Rich Pageant as well as probably with Document as the top two REM albums. Green has some great songs as well but I think the other two as a whole are better.

I used to like Murmur quite a bit as well, walking home from school with the cassette walkman... wow thats a long time ago.

lol.. like i said, i only "like" those two songs. and that's probably due to those songs being played a lot when i was growing up.

im not a fan by any means.
 

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I got a great sounding boot from the European leg of their most recent tour and the new songs sound really good. I'm hoping they do some shows this summer in the U.S. cuz now I'd really like to see 'em! :thumbup:
 
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I've said this before and I'll reiterate it again and again... In spite of how much I love the movement and many bands that surfaced because of it...Grunge destroyed music (and it still hasnt recovered)......

Reason why is there are some many bands that were at their creative/professional peak just prior to when the Grunge movement became popular that suddenly several acts (including REM) suddenly sound "outdated". Consequently, that forced REM and the like to re-invent themselves and in the process they sold-out and alienated their fans (following)....

The "pop" band that took the ideal approach during that period U2... True, they began experimenting earlier, however, they astutely took 4-years off of recording a studio album after "Zooropa" knowing that Grunge was a "passing fad" like so many "movements" throughout the history of music, and that they wouldnt have to succumb to the pressures of trying to 'fit in".....Of course... U2 as a result eventually reverted back to their "roots" and in the process never loss their fans/following whatsoever and in fact still mananged to gain some more on the way....

In contrast....REM gets desperate and tries to "fit in" with the "Grunge Scene" and in the course of that they alienated most (if all) their "huge" fans from their "humble beginnings"....But..if they took U2's approach they wouldnt have faltered to the level that they did.....

I must admit though that I liked "Monster" because all those songs remind me of my Senior Year of HS...those songs were like a soundtrack to me during that pivotal year of transition and such......But..as somewhat of a "musical purist" and a "big" fan of REM's earlier material I really dont like it otherwise than that "sentimental" reason........

I loved the songs from "Out of Time" like "Losing My Religion" and "Shiny Happy People" again because of the memories it elicits...I don't blame a casual or non listener of REM from enjoying/appreciating tose songs because they were "great" in general, but in terms of those who were hardcore REM fans (like myself) you would definitely think of those songs as a significant drop-off from their earlier works....

I just love "Fall on Me", "Radio Free Europe", "Finest Work Song", "The One I Love", "Its The End of the World As We Know It", and I could just sit here and list the entire "Green" track listing (just an amazing album)....

I liked "Automatic for the People" because that's the album I listened to the night my grandmother was rushed to the hospital to die a few hours later of Cardiac Arrest (1/31/94) and "Drive" and "Everybody Hurts" were the 2 songs I played on repeat that nite to cope thru everything......

I've tried to listen to their newer material, but (besides "Great Beyond") I just cant tolerate it... I guess again that's the music purist of me....Wanting for them to revert back to the REM sound that I fell in love with all those years ago......
 
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Hmmm.. this is very interesting..especially for us "hardcore" REM fans:

http://www.nme.com/news/112476.htm

REM STUN FANS IN SPAIN

REM stunned fans on the first night of their summer European tour by kicking off with a track they have never performed live before.

The band kicked off proceedings at Granada Estadio de los Carmenes in Spain last night (May 25) by playing ’Leave’ from the 1996 album ’New Adventures In Hi-Fi’. They also gave a rare outing to ’Me In Honey’ from the 1991 album ’Out Of Time’, with bassist Mike Mills taking on guest vocalist Kate Pierson’s role.

REM also played a host of songs from current album ’Around The Sun’, including next UK single ’Wanderlust’.

The set was:

* ’Leave’
* ’Animal’
* ’So Fast So Numb’
* ’Me In Honey’
* ’The Outsiders’
* ’World Leader Pretend’
* ’Daysleeper’
* ’Wanderlust’
* ’Bad Day’
* ’Orange Crush’
* ’Electron Blue’
* ’Electrolite’
* ’Leaving New York’
* ’I Wanted To Be Wrong’
* ’Final Straw’
* ’The One I Love’
* ’Walk Unafraid’
* ’Losing My Religion’

Encore:

* ’Imitation Of Life’
* ’The Great Beyond’
* ’I’ve Been High’
* ’Drive’
* ’I’m Gonna DJ’
* ’Man On The Moon’
 
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Brandon_Webb said:
Whats that song "Come'on Come'on no one can you cryyyy" or something by them?

For some reason..this is the only song those lyrics remind me of at the moment..

Rem - Drive Lyrics

Smack, crack, bushwhacked.
Tie another one to the racks, baby.

Hey kids, rock and roll.
Nobody tells you where to go, baby.

What if I ride?
what if you walk?
What if you rock around the clock?
Tick-tock. tick-tock.
What if you did?
what if you walk?
What if you tried to get off, baby?

Hey, kids, where are you?
Nobody tells you what to do, baby.

Hey kids, shake a leg.
Maybe you�re crazy in the head, baby.

Maybe you did. maybe you walked.
Maybe you rocked around the clock.
Tick-tock. tick-tock.
Maybe I ride. maybe you walk.
Maybe I drive to get off, baby.

Hey kids, shake a leg.
Maybe you�re crazy in the head, baby.

Ollie, ollie.
Ollie ollie ollie.
Ollie ollie in come free, baby.

Hey, kids, where are you?
Nobody tells you what to do, baby.

Smack, crack. shack-a-lack.
Tie another one to your back, baby.

Hey kids, rock and roll.
Nobody tells you where to go, baby.

Maybe you did. maybe you walk.
Maybe you rock around the clock
Tick-tock. tick-tock.
Maybe I ride. maybe you walk.
Maybe I drive to get off, baby.

Hey kids, where are you?
Nobody tells you what to do, baby.

Hey kids, rock and roll.
Nobody tells you where to go, baby, baby, baby.

Was it mainly an acoustic driven song?
 

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KLL said:
For some reason..this is the only song those lyrics remind me of at the moment..

Rem - Drive Lyrics



Was it mainly an acoustic driven song?
thats not it. It has a music video with the band having likea pool party and the camera keeps zooming in on diffrnet things.
 
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Brandon_Webb said:
thats not it. It has a music video with the band having likea pool party and the camera keeps zooming in on diffrnet things.

I believe I found it... here's the link to the video...

Here's the lyrics:

"Imitation of Life"

Charades, pop skill
Water hyacinth, named by a poet.
Imitation of life
Like a koi in a frozen pond
Like a goldfish in a bowl
I don’t want to hear you cry

Thats sugarcane that tasted good
Thats cinnamon thats hollywood
C’mon c’mon no one can see you try

You want the greatest thing
The greatest thing since bread came sliced.
You’ve got it all, you’ve got it sized.
Like a friday fashion show teenager
Freezing in the corner
Trying to look like you don’t try

Thats sugarcane that tasted good.
Thats cinnamon thats hollywood
C’mon c’mon no one can see you try

No one can see you cry

Thats sugarcane that tasted good
Thats freezing rain thats what you could
C’mon c’mon no one can see you cry

This sugarcane
This lemonade
This hurricane, I’m not afraid.
C’mon c’mon no one can see me cry
This lightning storm
This tidal wave
This avalanche, I’m not afraid.
C’mon c’mon no one can see me cry

Thats sugarcane that tasted good
Thats who you are, thats what you could
C’mon c’mon no one can see you cry

Thats sugarcane that tasted good
Thats who you are, thats what you could
C’mon c’mon no one can see you cry

I must admit that I've never heard of it until you mentioned it because I havent listened to much REM myself since 'Monster"....
 

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KLL said:
I believe I found it... here's the link to the video...

Here's the lyrics:



I must admit that I've never heard of it until you mentioned it because I havent listened to much REM myself since 'Monster"....
Yep thats it. It was on VH1 a few times and it was kinda catchy
 

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For the most part I like REM. Michael Stipe I'm not a huge fan of, but the other three members are a great rock band. They did release some great records (Document, Fables of the Reconstruction, and Life's Rich Pageant) and I liked some of the others (including New Adventures in HIFI). But they have released some awful records (especially the one with the Candy Cane song) as well and their concerts can be ponderous.
 
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Gizmo Williams said:
For the most part I like REM. Michael Stipe I'm not a huge fan of, but the other three members are a great rock band. They did release some great records (Document, Fables of the Reconstruction, and Life's Rich Pageant) and I liked some of the others (including New Adventures in HIFI). But they have released some awful records (especially the one with the Candy Cane song) as well and their concerts can be ponderous.

I agree.... I guess Mike Stipe began suffering from has plauged many of the great songwriters since the beginning of rock-n-roll.... Once they hit their 30s.. some just get victimized by their mid-life crisis and all of their lyrics suddenly become autobiographical/first hand narratives....

Such as... REM were the best in when their lyrics were policitcal or telling stories, but it seems that he became so reflective of his own issues...him reflecting on what he did in the past and such..that he forgot he was still in a band rather than a solo act.... I just can think of several others such as
Pete Townshend, John Lennon (though he did it the most effectively.. didnt matter what he did.. he was simply amazing at everything regardless), Eric Clapton, Damon Albarn, etc he suffered from the same as well.....
 
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thirty-two said:
Oh and Shiny Happy People, too.
Kate Pierson, that is one great MILF, actually I have not idea if she is a mom, but still.
 

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Document is by far their top album IMO...in fact I posted Document as one of my early Album of the Day on this board. Really anything from Green back is solid.

Now I liked Out of Time, mostly because they really tried to break the mold from their previous albums. Ironically, Losing My Religion and Shinky Happt People are my two least favorite songs on that album. There are some real solid tunes on that album.

Automatic for the People was OK but I was ready for them to ditch the acoustic stuff they had evolved into and get back to more "rock" and they did that with Monster.

IMO, Monster is an underappreciated album. By the time it had come out, all the old school REM fans had been driven off by REM "selling out" (I hate that description personally) thus none of the old fans embraced an album that was closer to their roots than either of the previous two pop albums were. Monster also had the effect of really pissing off the legions of new fans brought into the fold with Out of Time and Automatic. They wanted their Losing My Religion and Everybody Hurts and here was the stronger guitar sounds that were prevalent in their early albums. Again, JMHO.

32, you should check out Document. Just a great album and you would be surprised at the number of heavily played tunes are on that album.
 
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Document is by far their top album IMO...in fact I posted Document as one of my early Album of the Day on this board. Really anything from Green back is solid.

Yeah... I remember that "Album-a-Day"....Here's the link...

Although... in terms of one of my favorite songs on Document "Finest Worksong" the best version was captured on "Eponymous" when they incorporated an actual horn (especially after every "blow your horn") which added a certain lusture to the song......
 
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http://www.nme.com/news/113059.htm

MICHAEL STIPE - 'I'M THE LUCKIEST GUY IN THE WORLD'

REM frontman MICHAEL STIPE has likened the finish of the band’s massive world tour the end of “summercamp” - and that the jaunt has made him feel like "the luckiest guy in the world".

The rock giants completed their ’Around The Sun’ jaunt before 80,000 at London’s Hyde Park on Saturday (July 16).

Stipe posted a long message on the band’s official website remhq.com the day after the tour offering his thoughts and recollections on what has been a successful ten months of touring for the band.

And he was particularly full of praise for the city of London and the way it has responded to the recent terrorist atrocities, which led to the delay of the Hyde Park show and the end of the tour by a week.

The full message reads:

“Well its over and we did it. It was 24 hours ago that we completed our last show of the tour at Hyde Park, rescheduled due to the immense sadness and tragedy of the London bombings. To witness first hand a city and people pull themselves up after such a loss, now for me the second time in four years, is equally heartbreaking and inspiring; my thoughts and prayers are with you all.

”In looking back over the tour and the year travelling, I am still in disbelief and raving in private company about going around the world in 90 days and playing 31 countries in that much time and how crazy is that... I saw the REM tray at a friends house tonight, on the kitchen counter, and all those cities and places, each one carries several moments or recollections. Most of them much more than that. But to say, my god, I was in all those places. We did what we do. People came and I think it went pretty well to awesome, depending on the audience and the night and the venue, the weather, the songs, and the stars and whatever else plays into these things.

”I’m typing instead of singing tonight, thus the ramble. Hyde Park was an amazing end to the tour...London stepped up in such a beautiful way and greeted us with sheer raw hands-in-the-air enthusiasm. It made it all the more bittersweet, as tour is like summer camp; its hard to say goodbye to all the people you’ve been with for so long, the crew, the management, the promoters, the catering, the lighting and video and riggers and drivers, the opening bands, the other musicians. And especially the audiences and fans. I think this has been the most fun and most fulfilling tour for me personally, I tried really hard to be in the moment and let the moment be whatever it was going to be...starting with the Vote For Change tour and the thrill of being a small part of maybe something much bigger; the disappointment following that when the white house fell to a second term; the realisation that what had been started by so many continues and will not falter forever, but that the cycle will eventually shift and get back on track towards something that actually resembles the 21st century instead of some flat earth 1950’s hangover. The sometimes arduous but finally fulfilling North American tour, ending with the Mexico City show which left us elated and anticipating the winter leg; then the aforementioned 31 countries in 90 days and around the world in the process; Mike and I at dinner tonight were recalling the snowflakes in Tallinn and how they were the biggest we’d ever seen.

”Finally this summer leg through Europe and the amazing places we had seen and were moving through, the bands that we had had the fortune to play with, they inspired, raised the bar, pushed us forward...and now the sun and promise of summer again and all that that brings; the enthusiasm for ‘I’m Gonna DJ’, the older songs that we seldom play, the every night songs that we still love to play...it all amounts to a certain resolve and a beautiful humanity that playing music brings, to me anyway. We are each of us moving through this world and figuring it out as we go. We are all sometimes great and sometimes really dumb. We all fall down and we all get up. We all listen sometimes to our instinct over our insecurities, and that makes us wiser and better people. We made it, we did it, we got through, I wouldn’t swap one moment of it for what I feel right now. The Seattleites, led by Peter, are on a plane right now headed back, Mike and I hanging out here in London for a bit. The decompression from tour begins. As for the tour; thank you sincerely to every single person who came out and shared that with us, I hope it was all that you wanted. I am a cheeseball but I feel like the luckiest guy in the world. Thank you Mike and Peter and Bertis and every single one of you who has made me feel like that right now tonight. It was a long year but it was supergreat, and I wanted to thank you all, from you three to everyone we work with to the people in the very top rows to the crowd at the very back of last night’s show, thank you for being the giantest part of it. More to come. With love, Michael.”
 
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