Who would you rather make a play for in the offseason? Garnett or McGrady?

[CardShark]

Purportedly Garnett has now said he wants to be traded. Could McGrady be feeling the same way? Could they be willing to restructure their salaries to join the Suns on their quest for a championship? I think either one would give the Suns a huge advantage towards that goal, but I think I McGrady would bring more to the table. Would the Suns be willing to make moves. An obvious cap move would be Marion, but I would love for him to part of it. The starting lineup I would prize most would be Nash, Bell, Marion, McGrady and Stoudemire. Coming off the bench, Barbosa, Thomas and Jones. After that I don't care who is on the roster.

 

[PHX 32]

This is ridiculous. Can we please stop with the stupid trade talk and concentrate on the season at hand. This is our best chance to win a title, so stop thinking about moving guys around, and support the team we have now.

 

[Espo]

Isn't it a little premature to talk about this?

 

[Joe Mama]

This is ridiculous. Can we please stop with the stupid trade talk and concentrate on the season at hand. This is our best chance to win a title, so stop thinking about moving guys around, and support the team we have now.

The answer to your question is simple. The thread is clearly titled. Don't read it if you think it's too early for trade talk.

It's not like anybody is asking the coaching staff, management, or players to think about trades. We are fans. I think it's fun when there is more to talk about.

I would take Kevin Garnet any day of the week and twice on Sunday over Tracy McGrady. I don't see how you could get either one of them without giving up Amare Stoudemire though. Perhaps he could force his way here, but at the very least the Phoenix Suns would have to give up Shawn Marion (traded to a third team) and probably Barbosa.

Joe Mama

 

[Bufalay]

tmac is a ballhog and would kill this offense. garnett is far from a ball hog and is the best rebounder in the world, obvious choice.

 

[CardShark]

This is ridiculous. Can we please stop with the stupid trade talk and concentrate on the season at hand. This is our best chance to win a title, so stop thinking about moving guys around, and support the team we have now.

I'm in full support of our current team, but after watching game 1, it causes me to question if the Suns still need that final piece of the puzzle to be a dominating playoff team. They played a good tight game, yet it wasn't good enough to win. I'm not looking to blame any players, coaches or refs, but I would like to see them get over that last hump and bring home a championship for a few years.

 

[elindholm]

Marion, Thomas, and the ATL pick (if the Suns get it) for Garnett and Jaric.

Minnesota winds up with two top-ten picks (they currently sit #7 with their own pick), a two-year lease on an All-Star to keep them somewhat respectable, a big expiring contract, and addition by subtraction of the awful Jaric.

Phoenix sells their future in order to have the best team on paper for two years. If anyone can make something out of Jaric, it's D'Antoni; he could conceivably be an effective backcourt partner with Barbosa (although frankly I doubt it). Losing the ATL pick hurts, but the Suns aren't going to be contenders after Nash burns out anyway.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Marion, Thomas, and the ATL pick (if the Suns get it) for Garnett and Jaric.

Minnesota winds up with two top-ten picks (they currently sit #7 with their own pick), a two-year lease on an All-Star to keep them somewhat respectable, a big expiring contract, and addition by subtraction of the awful Jaric.

Phoenix sells their future in order to have the best team on paper for two years. If anyone can make something out of Jaric, it's D'Antoni; he could conceivably be an effective backcourt partner with Barbosa (although frankly I doubt it). Losing the ATL pick hurts, but the Suns aren't going to be contenders after Nash burns out anyway.

i'd do this deal in a heartbeat. We wouldn't be the run and gun team that we are now, but apparently, it appears that type of team ain't gonna win anyway.

Nash
Bell
SOMEONE (Probably Barbs)
KG
Amare

no one could stop that team and SA damn sure wouldn't out rebound us by a jillion.

that being said, I'd be shocked if we were able to get KG for that deal without throwing in Barbs.

 

[slinslin]

Marion, Barbosa and #4 for Garnett and #7 would be a thought. We could then draft Corey Brewer or Julian Wright to start at SF.

 

[Billy Bob]

 

[Goldfield]

Marion & Diaw, pluss the Atlanta pick...

For Garnett...

 

[elindholm]

that being said, I'd be shocked if we were able to get KG for that deal without throwing in Barbs.

The ATL pick has more value to Minnesota than Barbosa does, and there's no way the Suns would give up both.

 

[CaptainInsano]

If we give up marion, barbosa, and the atl pick for KG what exactly will our bench be? Kurt thomas and...

Oh thats right, it doesn't make any sense. Can we please for the love of god stop including barbosa in these trades...

If we get the atl pick that and marion would look like a steal for Minessota.

*this is going of the belief that KG is opting out, which I am 95% sure he will do.

 

[elindholm]

If we get the atl pick that and marion would look like a steal for Minessota.

I'm not sure they'd consider it a "steal," but it would probably be among the more attractive offers they'd receive. If they can also unload a bad contract, it becomes a nice deal for them.

 

[Cheesebeef]

the Bulls can offer more AND they're out of conference. The Lakers put Odom and Bynum together and that's probably more attractive also, especially afteer Marion's exposure (again) is fresh in people's minds after this series.

this also assumes we're gonna get the #4 pick - and that's just too good to be true.

 

[elindholm]

the Bulls can offer more

Look at their salaries. They lost their chance to use P. J. Brown's contract. There's no way they can get to Garnett's salary figure now without including half of their team.

The Lakers put Odom and Bynum together and that's probably more attractive also, especially afteer Marion's exposure (again) is fresh in people's minds after this series.

The Wolves aren't going to the playoffs in two years anyway. Marion is fine in the regular season. And it's not like Odom made a difference in his brief post-season run this year.

this also assumes we're gonna get the #4 pick - and that's just too good to be true.

The odds are in the Suns' favor to get the pick, and the #5 or #6 would also be plenty attractive.

 

[devilalum]

Marion, Barbosa and #4 for Garnett and #7 would be a thought. We could then draft Corey Brewer or Julian Wright to start at SF.

Garnett is valuable but I don't think Minn. will get as much as you guys think for him. He makes about a trillion dollars and is going to destroy the cap of team that gets him.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Look at their salaries. They lost their chance to use P. J. Brown's contract. There's no way they can get to Garnett's salary figure now without including half of their team.



The Wolves aren't going to the playoffs in two years anyway. Marion is fine in the regular season. And it's not like Odom made a difference in his brief post-season run this year.



The odds are in the Suns' favor to get the pick, and the #5 or #6 would also be plenty attractive.

uh, E, iirc, the Bulls are going to be wayyy under the cap again and will be able to take back Garnett's contract because of the amount of cap space they have. I could be wrong about that, but I don't think I am.

as far as the Wolves aren't going to the playoffs anyway - so what? They'll still want to be competitive and Odom is a better building block (potentially - and all GMs love potential) than Marion, who we're already seeing the law of diminishing returns starting. And a GM as dumb as McHale probably values young size like Bynum over anything else.

I just don't see us trading for KG with an overachiever who just had his worst statistical year scoring since his rookie year and a pick. I think that's a pipe dream.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

I take KG, hands down. However, I don't thingk there is any kind of window for that. Our best chance would have been at this past trade deadline, but KG supposedly didn't want to get traded. Now I think Marion just won't get the deal done....

 

[playstation]

you know who's better than garnett? kurt thomas...put him in the f'in game!

i was incensed watching this game on tivo. marion guarding timmy? this crap again??? does coach learn NOTHING? amare played the best defense of his life today btw, totally amazing, but even then KT needs to get in this game.

without KT avg'ing at least 25 for the rest of this series, i say we're out in 5. with him, it could go the distance. this is important dantoni, might want to use him.

 

[elindholm]

uh, E, iirc, the Bulls are going to be wayyy under the cap again and will be able to take back Garnett's contract because of the amount of cap space they have. I could be wrong about that, but I don't think I am.

You're wrong about that. They're at almost $47 million next summer, and that's not counting Nocioni, who is a free agent. They'll be under, but not far enough under to absorb any decent share of Garnett's $22 million. Their only big salaries are Wallace and Hinrich; the Wolves obviously don't want Wallace, and Hinrich is a poisoned pill or BYC situation or one of those things.

They'll still want to be competitive and Odom is a better building block (potentially - and all GMs love potential) than Marion, who we're already seeing the law of diminishing returns starting.

I don't think that's true. I'm not a huge Marion fan, but I think his trade value is higher than Odom's. Odom has injury issues and is 27, so no one's falling for his "potential" tease anymore.

And a GM as dumb as McHale probably values young size like Bynum over anything else.

There will be big guys available at #5 or #6 too, at least as appealing as Bynum.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You're wrong about that. They're at almost $47 million next summer, and that's not counting Nocioni, who is a free agent. They'll be under, but not far enough under to absorb any decent share of Garnett's $22 million. Their only big salaries are Wallace and Hinrich; the Wolves obviously don't want Wallace, and Hinrich is a poisoned pill or BYC situation or one of those things.



I don't think that's true. I'm not a huge Marion fan, but I think his trade value is higher than Odom's. Odom has injury issues and is 27, so no one's falling for his "potential" tease anymore.



There will be big guys available at #5 or #6 too, at least as appealing as Bynum.

people are saying that Bynum, if he came out today, would be the #3 prospect in the draft. As to the Bulls - at 47 million under, isn't the cap already set at 65? Or is that the luxury tax? I could be wrong, but I still think the Bulls could package enough guys to make that deal work. And I disagree with you on Marion v. Odom, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see what's what this summer when most likely NOTHING happens as Kevin McHale is an idiot and won't do what's best for the T-Wolves or Garnett.

 

[CaptainInsano]

KG gets everything done no doubt, but that is not what chicago needs they definately need pau gasol or a player like him.

If dallas was smart they would try to get pau, but I doubt cuban will be taking more salary since he will probably overpay for stackhouse and give him 6 million per.

 

[Cheesebeef]

KG gets everything done no doubt, but that is not what chicago needs they definately need pau gasol or a player like him.

If dallas was smart they would try to get pau, but I doubt cuban will be taking more salary since he will probably overpay for stackhouse and give him 6 million per.

dallas needs to get EVEN softer? I don't think so. And KG instantly makes the Bulls a bona-fide contender.

 

[CaptainInsano]

dallas needs to get EVEN softer? I don't think so. And KG instantly makes the Bulls a bona-fide contender.

There is no way dallas can get softer. They have reached the peak of softness, so at least having someone to try and take the ball inside would help.