Who would you take?

[Freddie]

Who would you take with the 17th pick?

Assuming we need a contributor next year, lets hear who you would take and who you would stay away from and why.

Here's mine..

I would take:

Collison--Blue collar, he reminds me of PJ Brown, and he would not complain about getting touches.

Badiane--Sounds like Amare(Re:RAW), and from what I've read and he brings lots of intensity.

Sweetney--If for some reason he dropped. He has skills and can play longer than he is.

David West--Has the same knocks Corliss Williamson had when he entered the league. West may never become a star, but he'll be a solid role player off of any team's bench.

Reece Gaines--Tall combo guard who can relieve Marbury or play next to him.

Troy Bell--He played well in Chicago and has shown he can distribute as well as score. Taking him this high may be risky, but he has the skills to play in the league.

Who I would not take:

Ridnour--Reminds me of Jason Williams too much. He's flashy and likes to pull the trigger in the open court.

Brian Cook--I've watched him since his sophmore year at Illinois and I think he's a stiff. He's not athletic, he's not strong, he's kind of a tweener in my eyes. He wants to play small forward, but doesn't have the athleticism to.

Any of the HS kids. Assuming BC is looking for someone to contribute next year this is self explanatory.

The jury is still out on:

Zarko
Baby Shaq
Actually most foreigners, since I've never seen them play. I read the insider in Badiane, and that's the only reason I thought he would be a good pick.

 

[slinslin]

Delfino - Very much like Ginobili, plays a key role on a very good team. He looks like he would attract lots of female fans.
He had his best game in the euroleague against the best team and the best player in europe. Barcelona/Bodiroga. He had 21pts 11rebs 2ast 2stls that game.

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Barbosa - You can not not like him
Statistics: 28ppg 7apg 4rpg 2.5spg 0.7bpg 57.5FG% 44.7%3s 83%FTs

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Banks - Best player out of UNLV since Shawn Marion
Statistics: 20.3ppg 3.4rpg 5.5apg 2.8spg 51.4%FG 33.6%3s 75.7%FTs

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Misan Nikagbatse - Has declared and I haven't heard he withdrew his name. Will likely not be drafted but let me say this. He has NBA game. He is german national PG. He has very good size and athleticism and game suited better for the NBA than europe. He was rated #2 behind Parker among players of his age.
Was an allstar at the junior tournament averaging close to 30ppg (Eddie Griffin was another selection)

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West - solid all around game, solid athletic ability, surprisingly good size
Statistics: 20.1ppg 11.8rpg 3.2apg 1.3spg 1.6bpg 51.3FG% 34.6%3s 81.6%FTs

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On the bubble

Bell - Great scorer, best athlete in his class, fearless (although Van Arsdale said he never impressed him in college)
But can he run a team in the NBA?
Statistics: 25.2ppg 4.6rpg 3.7apg 2.3spg 0.2bpg 44.1FG% 40.2%3s 84.7%FTs

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Gaines - Another versatile guard ?
Statistics: 17.9ppg 2.9rpg 5.0apg 1.7spg 46.1FG% 38.9%3s 73.6%FTs

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Hayes - Great and smooth shooter, will he drop so far and can he create his own shot?
Statistics: 18.3ppg 4.4rpg 2.0apg 1.1spg 0.4bpg 50.3FG% 42.5%3s 78.4%FTs

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Pass
Zarko - average athlete at best, soft, bad shooter
Cook - bad athlete, soft, college senior
Ridnour - average athlete at best, can he run a team?, can he guard someone?
Collison - bad athlete, soft, college senior
Sweetney - More Tractor than Elton


Unknown
Malik Badiane but I would rather pass at this point because I can't imagine someone not good enough to play in the german first division should be good enough to make the jump to the NBA.

Sofoklis - Is he athletic or not? Is he overweight?

Zaur Pachulia, Alexander Pavlovic... - Too many ????

 

[mark1]

Badiane, or West

 

[Joe Mama]

You guys have convinced me now more than ever. I'm totally off of the Brian Cook bandwagon.

I wouldn't compare Ridnour to Jason Williams. I think Williams would be an absolute steal at #17. If Ridnour was nearly as athletic as Williams he would be a top 10 pick. He reminds me of that point guard from Gonzaga last year.

If Jarvis Hayes slips to #17 he would be hard to pass. A shooter like him off the bench or even in the starting lineup would have made the Phoenix Suns much better last season. He really does not need to be able to create his own shot as long as he can make it consistently and get his shot off quickly. Players like Casey Jacobsen and Joe Johnson had wide-open shots galore last year. They just could not make them consistently.

Joe Mama

 

[slinslin]

I think my favorite would be Carlos Delfino right now after watching Ginobili doing so well in the playoffs.

If we could get another first round pick 18-25, without giving up JJ, Amare, Steph or Shawn, I would definately go for it. If we had the pick we used on Casey Jacobsen last year this year we could easily get Carlos Delfino and I think he does everything better than Casey and is also younger.

I must say that although I would like to get another big man that right now David West is the only potential pick that I feel confident about.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

both would have to slip, but i like, no LOVE sweetney (doesn't hurt that i'm a hoya alum), and very much like hayes. either would be a lot of help next year.

i'd also be happy with any of the pgs (in order - hinrich, barbosa, ridenour), or shorty. i think west may be a serviceable pro, but he may be a reach at 17. this is gonna be an exciting draft this year and i just feel as if the suns are gonna be a mover (up i think).

 

[jbeecham]

I'm interested in Badaine, Carbarkapa & Barbosa. I really haven't seen or heard much about West (although I hate nbadrafts player comparison: Derrick Coleman).

I could see the suns moving down to around #21 (Atlanta) and get thier #37 pick as well for the #17.

 

[slinslin]

Why do you guys like Crapakarba?

Yeah he is long, he is euro, he likes to play on the perimeter, he has no bulk or muscle...

He is shooting in the low 20s from behind the european 3pt line.

Sounds like Dan Langhi to me. And he is oldest of all european prospect while not putting up really impressive numbers on a decent team.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Slin,

The only person I have heard say anything negative about Zarko is you.

It will be funny when he is our pick.

 

[jbeecham]

I like Carbarkapa because he is tall and has the athleticism to move between 3 positions (SF, PF & C). Maybe he doesn't shoot a good 3pt percentage, but I'd rather have him not shoot 3's anyways. His shooting percentage inside the 3 pt line is very good. Also, he sounds a lot more quick and athletic than Langhi. Besides, the Suns play small ball a lot and it would be nice to have a quick tall guy to be in there at C.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I kind of agree here. I am more considered about our ability to consistently hit an 18 foot jumper than the 23 footer.

 

[PhxGametime]

I've stated many times I'm not high on Cabarkapa and Collison - Cook blew workouts but still higher on Cook than those 2 and other than from European scouts - Cabarkapa can't play 5 position let alone 4 and can't think of many 3's he could defend other than jump shooters (Stojakovic, Turkoglu, etc) and some sites I've read say Cabarkapa could be bust but for Suns team with small ball who knows.

Not too many athletes this year and I usually look for athletic ability, defense, and size. Right now I'd say my favorites:

Dwyane Wade
Kirk Hinrich
Boris Diaw*
Jarvis Hayes*
Malick Badiane*
Ndudi Ebi
Josh Howard
Brian Cook
David West*
Marcus Banks*

*never seen play

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Originally posted by Chris_Sanders
Slin,

The only person I have heard say anything negative about Zarko is you.

It will be funny when he is our pick.

I used to say I didn't like him either, but gave that up a while ago since the board seems to love him so much.

He cannot shoot the 3, he isnt very good from the line (70% for a "shooter" blows)

He also seems like a defensive liability.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

David West seems interesting to me.

However, I am standing pat on my old tirade:

The suns should deal the 17 for 2 second round picks or a viable role player. I was yelled out of the thread for that idea last time I gave it, however it seems as a few people can appreciate the logic finally

Andy

 

[cly2tw]

No Carbakarpa, no Cook, and hopefully no Collison please! Actually, no player with a name starting with C!

 

[Goldfield]

It seems alot of people like the West pick...

That is nice to see, I sofar like the idea of David West!


He can do everything, he can post up, shoot, rebound, and most of all block shots.....

Sounds like a guy we could use!

 

[PhxGametime]

2nd Tier:

Travis Outlaw
Reece Gaines
Leandrinho Barbosa*
Sofoklis Schortsanitis*
Luke Ridnour
Troy Bell
Viktor Khryapa*
Mario Austin
Jerome Beasley*

hehe I love the draft

 

[slinslin]

Originally posted by Chris_Sanders
I kind of agree here. I am more considered about our ability to consistently hit an 18 foot jumper than the 23 footer.

"Cabarkapa: I like an up-tempo type of game. I like to run the floor. I like to play outside and at the small forward position"

That's what he said. He is 6'11 and likes to play outside on the perimeter just like Dan Langhi.
If that's true he better be able to knock down 3s consistently because Phoenix needs that at least from their SFs to get decent spacing on the floor. We have enough players who have a decent midrange game.

I don't really want a SF anyway. Joe Johnson can get the backup minutes at SF. 'I want a big guy or a PG.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Well some of those guys on your list I agree with.

However, reports like what is happening with Zarko is exactly what happened with Amare.

It was rumored way before the draft that the Suns had promised Amare that he would fall no further then them. They then had to do the smokescreen with Tski so no one jumped ahead of them.

I have no idea who the best player is, I just think that Zarko is the kind of player the Suns would want.

 

[SirStefan32]

I think David West is our guy.
He has a solid all-around game, and I believe he could contribute immidiately.

I've seen Zarko play, and I am not really sure what to think. He has a lot of potential, but I really don't think he could contribute at all for another couple of years. One more thing-He can not play 4 nor can he play 5 because he is not big enough. He is too slow to play 3, and his shooting is not impressive either.

Carlos Delfino sounds interesting. He looked impressive in one game I watched, but I haven't seen enough of him to make a fair judgement.

I'd love to see Kirk Hinrich in the Suns uniform next year. He has Jeff Hornacek (sp) written all over him. He is not going to fall down to #17.

Collison will be a solid back up 4. If West, Carlos, and Kirk are all taken, I'd take him.

I am trying to get some tapes of Barbosa. From what I hear, he could be the best player in this draft after the "big three."

 

[hcsilla]

I do think that Hinrich will be a lottery pick.

I like Collison at #17.

I have seen some moments from Cabarkapa.He seemed to be tall, skinny and pretty unathletic. He had some nice baby-hooks.

The video file was a year old so he could improve since then but if he didn't then I wouldn't take him at #17.

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by slinslin
Delfino - Very much like Ginobili, plays a key role on a very good team. He looks like he would attract lots of female fans.
He had his best game in the euroleague against the best team and the best player in europe. Barcelona/Bodiroga. He had 21pts 11rebs 2ast 2stls that game.

I like Carlos Delfino but Ginobili was and is a MUCH MUCH better player.

 

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by hcsilla
I like Carlos Delfino but Ginobili was and is a MUCH MUCH better player.

Also, I think of the Phoenix Suns are going to take another swingman he better be a great shooter. Although it's been said Delfino has a decent shot, he is not even an above average shooter. Last year he shot a very mediocre 32% from the European three-point line. He shot 46% from the field.

I believe if the Suns are going to take someone that size he should be able to shoot the lights out (Jarvis Hayes) or have good playmaking skills (Reese Gaines).

Here are my top choices now as those Saturday, June 21.

Jarvis Hayes (he would have to slide, but the Suns could really use someone with his shooting ability)

David West (I'd be shocked if the Phoenix Suns really take him since there hasn't been one mention of him publicly by anybody in the Suns organization since his workout)

Brian Cook (his apparent lack of athleticism scares me some, but I'll bet she could still runs circles around Zarko. One thing I do like about him is that he badly wants to prove his naysayers wrong)

Leandrinho Barbosa (I think he and Ridnour or the only top point guards that will be left on the board when the Suns pick. You all know how I feel about Ridnour. The knock on Barbosa is that he has a funny shot and does not speak English well. I think the Suns have learned with Shawn Marion that if the shot is funny but it goes in the basket to let it go.)

Sofoklis Schortsanitis (only if his midrange shot is as good as reported on NBADraft.net. If it is, I doubt he is around that #17 anyways)

Joe Mama

 

[slinslin]

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This is a picture he might not even have reached the highest point of his jump.
When I read that he can touch the top of the backboard that was impressive but it looks even more impressive.

He must have a sick vertical at 6'9 to get up that high.

 

[Griffin]

Who i would take:

1. Leandrinko Barbosa
2. David West
3. Zarko Cabarkapa

However i think the Suns will go with Zarko if he's available, and maybe Cook if he's not. I don't see them drafting someone they haven't worked out, unless someone slips, which begs the question, how come they didn't work out Barbosa? I haven't seen him play, but those numbers are very tempting.