Whoa! Big Q Contract Update

[Dayman]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2009/05/14/20090514cards0515.html

Rosenhaus declined to say when he made the proposal to the Cardinals. He has discussed the proposal with Graves, he said, but the Cardinals have not responded with a counter offer.


"I think we can be reasonable as long as Anquan is among the top-paid receivers," Rosenhaus said. "We just want a contract commensurate with his performance. You find me another guy with three Pro Bowls, the same number of yards, receptions, touchdowns and toughness."


Rosenhaus acknowledged that circumstances dictate that Boldin will make less than Fitzgerald. The Cardinals were forced to renegotiate Fitzgerald contract a year ago because incentive clauses would have pushed his salaries to $14.6 million in 2009 and more than $17 million in 2009.


With two years remaining on his contract, Boldin doesn't have that kind of leverage.


"We do have years left on our contract," Rosenhaus said. "We're not facing the same set of circumstances as the guy who is looking at free agency."


But Rosenhaus said he and Boldin are not "just going to sit pat and look forward to another uncomfortable year like last year. We're going to continue to talk to the team about a new deal and continue to hope the team will be flexible for a trade."

More at the link.

 

[PoolBoy]

^ Team Boldinhaus is getting nervous....

 

[Saxon079]

"It's inaccurate and I just wanted to clear the record," Rosenhaus said of the $10 million figure. Rosenhaus declined to discuss his proposal, saying, "I'm not going to negotiate Anquan's contract through the media."



Your a complete a hole rosenpunk

 

[Cards232]

Thats just cap hit not average per year. He signed a 4 year 40 million dollar extension.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3287855

As far as I can tell he averages 10 million per season. Same could be done for Q at an AVERAGE of 8 milly per season.

The current contract, 4yr/40 mill. includes money owed on the old contract. If you take that money out, it comes to about 7 mill. per/yr. for the new deal.

"Fitzgerald doesn't make 10 million a year. He has a 4yr $40M contract. I hope most of you know why it doesn't add up to 10 million a year. They worked the 14 million the team already owed him from his old contract into the new contract. When you take his pre-earned moneys out, he's making about 7 million a year. You didn't know? Yeah, neither does America."

 

[Zeno]

Somers article says this about the proposal from Rosenhaus...

An NFL source familiar with the proposal said the deal averaged just under $10 million per season.

Rosenhaus declined to say when he made the proposal to the Cardinals. He has discussed the proposal with Graves, he said, but the Cardinals have not responded with a counter offer.

So he is not asking for $10 million but "just under"...doesn't he realize the public isn't so stupid to be fooled by his wording...I'd assume just under $10 mill means $9.something million. He's not lying but its still a ridiculous request.

 

[JeffGollin]

"It's inaccurate and I just wanted to clear the record," Rosenhaus said of the $10 million figure. Rosenhaus declined to discuss his proposal, saying, "I'm not going to negotiate Anquan's contract through the media."

Translation: "By claiming to 'clear the air', it's a cute way of negotiating Anquan's contract through the media."

 

[TJ]

"It's inaccurate and I just wanted to clear the record," Rosenhaus said of the $10 million figure. Rosenhaus declined to discuss his proposal, saying, "I'm not going to negotiate Anquan's contract through the media."

LOL.....if I had the time, I could tear Rosenhaus' comment to shreads

 

[RugbyMuffin]

It was nothing but pure speculation on anyone's part around here claiming that Q was asking for 10 million per season. Everyone just assumed that's what he was looking for because of Fitz deal.

Several times I asked for someone to show me a news clip with a quote or a video showing that Q or Rosenhaus were asking for a 10 million per year contract and of course nobody could.

Yet somehow around here it was preached like the gospel.

Kinda like how Boldin is now a locker room cancer ?

I haven't heard that from any player or coach, yet it is another idea that has some how turned into fact.

I can understand the frustration with Anquan Boldin. I don't like how he has gone about this showing his disapproval with the Cardinals organization either. It is childish, insulting as some points, and worse of all highly ineffective towards finding solution to his own problems.

If that is enough for a fan to put Boldin on there [poop] list than I completely understand.

But trying to embellish the bad things Boldin is doing by padding it with lies ,fallacy, and to cheapen what he has done between the lines is just as stupid and annoying.

 

[40yearfan]

A little under $10 million is the same as $10 million. If they were talking $7 million, I'm sure the deal would have been done already. Now signing Wilson and Dansby is more important. C'mon Q. Wait your turn.

 

[Duckjake]

Kinda like when an insurance company refuses to pay a 25,000 when they know they injuries are substantially higher and liability is clear. Instead, they pay their own lawyers the 25,000 bucks and wait out the plaintiff to settle the case for 10,000.

That doesn't make any sense. Why would an Insurance company pay $35,000 when they could settle for $25,000?

In reality it is usually the other way around. Insurance Companies often settle because they would have to pay their lawyers more than the settlement amount even though they have a good chance of winning at trial.

 

[Mulli]

That doesn't make any sense. Why would an Insurance company pay $35,000 when they could settle for $25,000?

In reality it is usually the other way around. Insurance Companies often settle because they would have to pay their lawyers more than the settlement amount even though they have a good chance of winning at trial.

Many insurance companies also pay their in-house attorneys salaries so it doesn't factor into the equation.

 

[Duckjake]

Many insurance companies also pay their in-house attorneys salaries so it doesn't factor into the equation.

Not on any larger or complex claims. Almost all the larger claims I have been involved with have been assigned to outside attorneys.

One thing that players agents don't have to worry about is deceptive trade practice charges which can triple the damages. Insurers have to always be aware of this and so don't play the games that many seem to think they do.

In fact most of my clients involved in liability claims complain that their Insurance Company paid the plaintiff too much.

Wouldn't it be cool if the teams and players were subject to deceptive trade practices? Boldin could file against the Cards for not living up to what they allegedly promised him and the Cards could sue Rosenhaus for his statements on his website. Winner gets 3 times $10 million.

 

[Mulli]

Not on any larger or complex claims. Almost all the larger claims I have been involved with have been assigned to outside attorneys.

One thing that players agents don't have to worry about is deceptive trade practice charges which can triple the damages. Insurers have to always be aware of this and so don't play the games that many seem to think they do.

In fact most of my clients involved in liability claims complain that their Insurance Company paid the plaintiff too much.

Wouldn't it be cool if the teams and players were subject to deceptive trade practices? Boldin could file against the Cards for not living up to what they allegedly promised him and the Cards could sue Rosenhaus for his statements on his website. Winner gets 3 times $10 million.

As a former in-house, I can say that sometimes in-house are used, especially the dollar amounts we are talking about, but I see your point.

And yes the Insureds quite often think too much is paid.

 

[joeshmo]

Kinda like how Boldin is now a locker room cancer ?

I haven't heard that from any player or coach, yet it is another idea that has some how turned into fact.

But trying to embellish the bad things Boldin is doing by padding it with lies ,fallacy, and to cheapen what he has done between the lines is just as stupid and annoying.

Quote from Drew - "But Rosenhaus said he and Boldin are not "just going to sit pat and look forward to another uncomfortable year like last year."

Considering that quote from Boldins own agent, why is it so hard to believe that people would think he will be a cancer in 2009? Not even close to embellishment, lies, or fallacy considering their feelings are coming straight from the horses mouth.

 

[Duckjake]

As a former in-house, I can say that sometimes in-house are used, especially the dollar amounts we are talking about, but I see your point.

At $25,000 I agree on the in-house depending on the company. Regardless, no insurance company is going to spend $35,000 when they can settle for $25,000.

 

[CardinalChris]

Kinda like how Boldin is now a locker room cancer ?

I haven't heard that from any player or coach, yet it is another idea that has some how turned into fact.

I can understand the frustration with Anquan Boldin. I don't like how he has gone about this showing his disapproval with the Cardinals organization either. It is childish, insulting as some points, and worse of all highly ineffective towards finding solution to his own problems.

If that is enough for a fan to put Boldin on there [poop] list than I completely understand.

But trying to embellish the bad things Boldin is doing by padding it with lies ,fallacy, and to cheapen what he has done between the lines is just as stupid and annoying.

Well said. We don't like it as fans, but I bet 95% of the players in that room both understand and agree with Q's standing on his contract. Q's become inconvinient from a PR standpoint, but has done nothing but come in and perform despite his grumblings. Player view it as "you gotta do what you gotta do to protect yourself as a player".

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Quote from Drew - "But Rosenhaus said he and Boldin are not "just going to sit pat and look forward to another uncomfortable year like last year."

Considering that quote from Boldins own agent, why is it so hard to believe that people would think he will be a cancer in 2009? Not even close to embellishment, lies, or fallacy considering their feelings are coming straight from the horses mouth.

As fans really don't count in this equation... Cancer to whom?

That Q is unhappy with his contract is known by all team members, and if reporters illicit a comment from time to time on this issue, it will hardly be news to his team mates.

As long as he isn't "bitching" in the sanctum of the dressing room, I have a hard time seeing this as much of an issue.

The only option available to Q/Drew is to refuse services. A breach of contract with penalties to ensue.

 

[Shane]

Quote from Drew - "But Rosenhaus said he and Boldin are not "just going to sit pat and look forward to another uncomfortable year like last year."

Considering that quote from Boldins own agent, why is it so hard to believe that people would think he will be a cancer in 2009? Not even close to embellishment, lies, or fallacy considering their feelings are coming straight from the horses mouth.

It really doesnt matter what Q or Rosey do publicly and through the media. Those players in that locker room will not be affected by it one iota. In fact if I was a betting man and you were to poll the players I would bet a VAST majority of them would side with Q.

People vastly overstate the term "cancer" in the locker room. Now if Q was going all TO on us and professing to the media about how pretty he is and how entertaining he is and how its all about him that would be one thing. But he clearly and openly states that he loves those guys in the locker room. That when it comes to sunday he will lay it all on the line for them.

Hes no cancer.

 

[azsouthendzone]

4 years at $39,999,999.99 9/10

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Well said. We don't like it as fans, but I bet 95% of the players in that room both understand and agree with Q's standing on his contract. Q's become inconvinient from a PR standpoint, but has done nothing but come in and perform despite his grumblings. Player view it as "you gotta do what you gotta do to protect yourself as a player".

The players are watching because it will affect how they will get paid too. they look to other deals to guage their worth and tactics...

 

[Redheart]

...The only option available to Q/Drew is to refuse services. A breach of contract with penalties to ensue.

LOL. Yeah, right.

Tell that to Q's "sore hammy"...

 

[Jetstream Green]

Drew Rosenhaus, if your not doing talks through the media, then in all reality you should never say a damn thing to the media because your job is doing contracts with the FO and all anyone should ever know aside from what the player and FO knows is that your so and so athlete's agent and that one fact alone.

hey wait Drew, isn't that about all we know about other agents since THEY DO NOT DO CONTRACTS TO THE MEDIA and are business professionals

Q is the one bleeding on the field, Q is the one doing things on the field most cannot...you do nothing on the field Drew, you are not a professional athlete, your not an entertainer, your Boldin's financial agent for the most part and nothing more so outside of his contract talks to the FO...

JUST SHUT UP ROSENHAUS

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Quote from Drew - "But Rosenhaus said he and Boldin are not "just going to sit pat and look forward to another uncomfortable year like last year."

Considering that quote from Boldins own agent, why is it so hard to believe that people would think he will be a cancer in 2009? Not even close to embellishment, lies, or fallacy considering their feelings are coming straight from the horses mouth.

Boldin and Rosenhaus said the same B.S. last year and Boldin was not a cancer in the lockeroom, and actually he was quite the opposite.

Considering that past events (like last season and the season before), fellow players, and coaches have not shown Boldin to be a cancer furthers establishes the FACT that so far, up to this day Boldin has not had a negative effect in the locker room.

I am going to base my opinion on what is going on, on facts, and history. So far this "Boldin is a cancer" is nothing but an assumption and a imaginary happening. There has yet to be a situation that has effected this team when it comes to Boldin, his attitude and his contract negotiations. There has yet to be any proof of Boldin being a distraction for the team. It seems the team did well last year, amongst all this griping. But now that Rosenhaus issues a statement I am expect that everything is going to change ? Sorry, I am not buying it.

Starting from last offseason, Rosenhaus has had a lot to say, and a lot of it has not been true. And a none of it has come to pass.

Once again, I am waiting for the proof of this "cancer" that Boldin has become.

You wanna say Boldin is a baby, a poor sport, not a team player, only thinking of himself, fine. Saying he is going to effect the lockeroom is a wider assumption with little to no proof of it happening.

Someone can believe in this "cancer theory" as hard as they want, and that is there opinion of the matter. But truth is truth, and fact is fact.

The funniest thing about all this, is IF Boldin were to re-sign and have a monster year, this all becomes water under the bridge.

Just like the Fitzgerald situation the year before, when Fitz was hung from the rafters for no good reason.

 

[PoolBoy]

haha not doing the contract through the media?!?!?

im sure this was just harmless exercise.....

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[Shogun]

Just like the Fitzgerald situation the year before, when Fitz was hung from the rafters for no good reason.

Ugh, don't remind me.