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Here are the Cardinal players who are virtual locks to make the roster:

QB (2): Warner, Leinart.

RB (4): Hightower, Wells, Wright, Stephens-Howling. Wright's ability to block as a 3rd down RB and his ST play, make him a lock. LSH has quickly become the Cardinals' version of Darren Sproles.

FB (1): Kreider. Whiz's history with him matters in terms of trust.

WR (6): Fitzgerald, Boldin, Breatson, Urban, Doucet, Morey. Doucet has done enough and may not play until week 3, 4 or 5, but that's OK for now.

TE (1): Becht. He was signed to be the blocking TE and he's shown that's his forte.

OL (7): Gandy, Wells, Sendlein, Lutui, L. Brown, Keith, H. Johnson.

NT (2): Robinson, Branch. Branch has shown good flashes, and certainly has been outplaying Watson.

DE (3): Dockett, Campbell, Iwebema.

ILB (2): Hayes, Dansby.

OLB (4): Haggans, Okeafor, Davis, Hobson. Hobson has shown enough and is versatile.

CB (4): Rodgers-Cromartie, McFadden, Adams, Toler. Adams' value is increasing each year. Team's best gunner on STs and now is playing hard and well on defense.

S (4): Wilson, Rolle, Francisco, R. Johnson.

ST (3): Rackers, Graham, Leach.

That's 43...so 10 spots remain.

Bubble Battles:

QB (1): St. Pierre vs. Palko. BSP has struggled and is now injured (back), but he knows the system. Palko is a little wet behind the ears, but if he turns in a good performance at Denver, who knows? Whiz operates on a trust factor, and he trusts BSP. Odd on favorite: St. Pierre.

FB (?): Castille vs. Maiu'a. Castille is versatile. Maiu'a is a load. Odds are neither one of them makes the roster...too much need elsewhere.

WR (?): Long vs. Jones. Currently three of the Cardinals top six WRs are nursing injuries. The odds are good that the Cardinals will keep a 7th WR because of the injury issue. Long struggled last week, but appeared early in the game and often. Jones has been relegated to the 4th quarter, but he has two very nice TDs in limited action. Long has a better upside on STs, and for that reason he is the odds on favorite.

TE (2?): Spach vs. Pope vs. Byrd. Whiz loves Spach, but Spach's not quite yet back to the player he was last year and is coming off a poor game. Pope has been thrown to and for the most part he's made the catches, but has not shown much of an interest in advancing the ball (RAC). Byrd, on the other hand, has shown very good RAC ability. Right now the odds are a toss-up on all three. Who knows? And maybe Whiz decides because of having to keep an extra WR, to only keep 2 TEs until Patrick gets back in Week 5.

OL (2?): What's needed are a backup LT and backup C. Odds are that Oliver Ross and the winner of Claxton vs. Fowler get the nod. The wild card here is E. Brown...a versatile player who has played tackle before and held his own...so the other battle really is Ross vs. E. Brown. The odds are in Ross' favor, seeing as he's been playing LT and E. Brown hasn't. As for Claxton vs. Fowler, what's interesting is that Fowler hasn't beaten Claxton out for the #2 center job, at least thus far, although Fowler has played well late in games. Odds would seem to be in Fowler's favor becuae he's been a starter in this league and his blocks to spring Wright on the screens last week were two of the better blocks in the game. But, Claxton has hung in there...so who knows? Russ Grimm may just stick with Claxton, and i think there's a possibilty that the Cardinals cut both Claxton and Fowler with the intention of re-signing Claxton to the Ps and activating him to the roster if Sendlein gets hurt.

NT/DE (1): Watson vs. Leisle vs. Dykes. Watson struggled last week and does not look like himself. Leisle hasn't exactly distinguished himself. Dykes has the upside the coaches have been raving about, but has been injured all pre-season. The coaches know what they have in Watson when he's in shape and at 100%. But, is he either right now? Odds are they stick with Watson in the hope that he will get stronger as the weeks go on. Leisle has an outside shot. But, if the coaches like Dykes' upside more they might just stick with him with the thought that he too will be ready to contribute in a couple of weeks. This one is a crapshoot.

ILB (2): Highsmith vs. Walker vs. Waiver Wire, Highsmith is hurt again and his scenario looks like a waived/injured or IR decision. My guess is IR, especially with Dansby's potential to walk after this season. Walker has showed up in games and delivered one of the very best and fundamental goal-line tackles you will ever see. For that reason, he could already be an asset in the goal-line defense...the odds are he makes the team. Looks like the Cardinals will be looking to add another ILB off waivers.

OLB (1): Berry vs. Holloway vs. Waiver Wire. Berry has done nothing to warrant a roster spot thus far. If he shows up versus Denver, he likely gets the nod. Holloway is a long shot no matter how you look at it. Odds are that the Cardinals try to swing a trade or pick up a player off of waivers, because they need another edge rusher like the desert needs rain.

CB (1): R. Brown vs. Waiver Wire. Ralph Brown laid an egg last week and this has to be a concern. If the Cardinals can snag a player they like, Brown is gone. If not, he sticks, in the hope that he will wake up and smell the coffee the way he did in the playoffs.

S (1?): Matt Ware vs. Waiver Wire. The coaches have always liked Ware, because he can play nickel safety, STs and CB in a pinch. Likely he sticks for all those reasons...but what the Cardinals really need is a legitimate nickel cover 2 safety.

Here's IMO what the Cardinals do:

QB (1): St. Pierre

WR (1): Long

TE (2): Spach, Byrd. They trade Pope for an OLB.

OL (1): Ross. They sign Claxton to PS.

DE (1): Dykes.

ILB (1): Walker. They put Highsmith on IR and they count on Hobson to be able to help here and at OLB.

OLB (1); Player acquired in Pope trade.

CB (1): Brown.

S (1): Ware.

What I Would Do:

QB (1): St. Pierre.

WR (1): Long. Try to trade Onrea Jones, if possble. I think Long can be a nifty little punt returner when he gets comfortabe and confident.

TE (1): Byrd. Keep only 2 until Patrick gets back. Tell Spach he'll get a call when the need him.

OL (1): Fowler. Good player. Keep him. Let L. Brown move to T in case of injury to Gandy and H. Johnson play RT. Sign a G and a T to the practice squad.

DE (1): Dykes. Dude can play, worth waiting for.

ILB (2): Walker and waiver claim. Highsmith to IR.

OLB (1): Trade Pope and Watson to Tennessee for OLB/DE Jacob Ford.

CB (1): Waiver wire.

S (1): Trade 2010 6th round pick to Green Bay for S/CB Jarret Bush.
 
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Haven't said it yet, but glad you're back! Didn't you used to post a new article almost every Saturday morning? Sure miss those threads........:thumbup:
 

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I agree mostly, but a few points.

1. I think we keep Castille over Long if that's what it comes down to. I just don't see it in Long

2. Would teams be willing to deal a LB for Pope, because I see us having no leverage in a trade for Pope because any team that actually wants him could just wait til he is cut.
 

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S (1): Trade 2010 6th round pick to Green Bay for S/CB Jarret Bush.[/quote]


Another outstanding, non emotional analysis...welcome back to the nest!!!
 

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Can the backup LT problem be solved with Brandon Keith or sliding Levi over to the left and Elton play at RT? Oliver Ross just makes my hair stand on edge.... and not in a good way.
 

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I agree mostly, but a few points.

1. I think we keep Castille over Long if that's what it comes down to. I just don't see it in Long

2. Would teams be willing to deal a LB for Pope, because I see us having no leverage in a trade for Pope because any team that actually wants him could just wait til he is cut.

Yeah, that. I don't understand why some people are so high on Long. I don't know if any of you have watched the "On the Fringe" series, but he makes Josh McCown look like a Mensa candidate. Seriously, is he smoking 4 bongs before these interviews?
 

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Yeah, that. I don't understand why some people are so high on Long. I don't know if any of you have watched the "On the Fringe" series, but he makes Josh McCown look like a Mensa candidate. Seriously, is he smoking 4 bongs before these interviews?

He's a jock, not a Harvard professor.;)
 

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An excellent objective analysis, nice job Mitch.

I think Berry will be dropped. I also don't think Long will make the final cut. I would really be surprised if they dropped Watson but who knows? I don't see them making a trade but do see them picking some one off the waiver wire but the problem with that is that we are now #31 on the wire and the players we want will most likely go earlier.
 

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Yeah, that. I don't understand why some people are so high on Long. I don't know if any of you have watched the "On the Fringe" series, but he makes Josh McCown look like a Mensa candidate. Seriously, is he smoking 4 bongs before these interviews?

He's an underdog... a Seabiscuit... everyone loves those stories. Problem is, Long just isn't good enough, period. Would've been a nice, loveable story, but ain't meant to be...

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Questions:

Do we need 3 QB's?

What happened to Watson? I was shocked watching him get blown off the ball vs GB.

How are we so ridiculously thin at CB?

Are we over estimating our TE talent? Byrd, Patrick, and Pope seem to be athletic pass cathing TE threats. Each seems to be right on the verge but are they really on the verge or is this the best they will very be?

Nice effort Mitch.
 

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Mitch is right on regarding his QB predictions. Warner, Leinart and BSP will all be on the team. It really is a position of strength.
 

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Yes. It's not out of the realm of possibility (probability?) that both Warner and Leinart get hurt. Neither one of these guys have really proven themselves to be iron men.

Can you name ten other QB's w/ more current consecutive starts then Warner?
 

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Can you name ten other QB's w/ more current consecutive starts then Warner?
Are you being serious? Do you really think he's going to last 16 games this year? He's NEVER gone back-to-back 16 game seasons.

I hope he does, but the reality is he's likely to miss time this season...as evidenced by your point--there aren't many QBs that DON'T get hurt. Much less QBs that are closer to 40 than 30.
 

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I know it won't happen but if SF cuts Bear Pascoe, as is being discussed in the local papers now, I'd love for the cards to find a way to pick him up.

He's rumored to be on the TE bubble he was a hit at the early camps but apparently the 49ers are higher on others and might cut Pascoe.

For those not familiar, the NFL.com scouting report on him pre draft compared his blocking to... Anthony Becht. He played at Fresno State, coach Pat Hill called him the most devastating blocker they'd ever had. He also is a hell of a special teams player, among other things he blocked 6 kicks in his college career. He plays his butt off every play unlike Pope, and he's developed into a reasonably good TE too, has good hands. He's a converted QB and a smart kid.

Quite honestly I can't believe the 49ers will really cut him they gave him a 4 year deal as a 6th rounder and raved about him in the earlier camps but the local papers are saying JJ Finley is really pushing him as the 3rd TE behind Vernon Davis and Delaney Walker. Finley is an undrafted longshot but they've been raving about him in the preseason too.

If I had to guess I think he makes the 49er roster but if he doesn't the Cards should go after him IMHO.
 

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Are you being serious? Do you really think he's going to last 16 games this year? He's NEVER gone back-to-back 16 game seasons.

I hope he does, but the reality is he's likely to miss time this season...as evidenced by your point--there aren't many QBs that DON'T get hurt. Much less QBs that are closer to 40 than 30.

I dont think he's nearly as injury-prone as one would think. He hasn't missed a start for us because he physically wasn't up to it in at least 4 years. Kurt looks old and frail, but he's played like 50+ games for us since the last time he missed a start due to injury.
 
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Are you being serious? Do you really think he's going to last 16 games this year? He's NEVER gone back-to-back 16 game seasons.

I hope he does, but the reality is he's likely to miss time this season...as evidenced by your point--there aren't many QBs that DON'T get hurt. Much less QBs that are closer to 40 than 30.

It's not that I think it isn't possible for him to get hurt but he isn't made of glass.

As far as Warner going 16 games this season I would guess it's as likely as any other QB in the league doing the same.
 

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I know it won't happen but if SF cuts Bear Pascoe, as is being discussed in the local papers now, I'd love for the cards to find a way to pick him up.

He's rumored to be on the TE bubble he was a hit at the early camps but apparently the 49ers are higher on others and might cut Pascoe.

For those not familiar, the NFL.com scouting report on him pre draft compared his blocking to... Anthony Becht. He played at Fresno State, coach Pat Hill called him the most devastating blocker they'd ever had. He also is a hell of a special teams player, among other things he blocked 6 kicks in his college career. He plays his butt off every play unlike Pope, and he's developed into a reasonably good TE too, has good hands. He's a converted QB and a smart kid.

Quite honestly I can't believe the 49ers will really cut him they gave him a 4 year deal as a 6th rounder and raved about him in the earlier camps but the local papers are saying JJ Finley is really pushing him as the 3rd TE behind Vernon Davis and Delaney Walker. Finley is an undrafted longshot but they've been raving about him in the preseason too.

If I had to guess I think he makes the 49er roster but if he doesn't the Cards should go after him IMHO.

Bear Pascoe would be a rightful coup if we could get him. He's not going downfield on you, but as you said, excellent blocker and good hands.. also been called "the hardest worker in the country".

Another note that should be reiterated, what happened to Watson? His rookie year he was excellent, heck Dockett credited Watson for his pro bowl appearance. Is this lingering injury? Could it be a matter of time before he is back at 100% or was there some permanant damage and he is done? I never would have thought he would be getting dominated by third stringers like he has been, something has to explain it.
 

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Bubble Battles:

QB (1): St. Pierre vs. Palko. BSP has struggled and is now injured (back), but he knows the system. Palko is a little wet behind the ears, but if he turns in a good performance at Denver, who knows? Whiz operates on a trust factor, and he trusts BSP. Odd on favorite: St. Pierre.

I agree. Do you think there is a chance Palko would be kept on the P.S.?

FB (?): Castille vs. Maiu'a. Castille is versatile. Maiu'a is a load. Odds are neither one of them makes the roster...too much need elsewhere.

I agree.

WR (?): Long vs. Jones. Currently three of the Cardinals top six WRs are nursing injuries. The odds are good that the Cardinals will keep a 7th WR because of the injury issue. Long struggled last week, but appeared early in the game and often. Jones has been relegated to the 4th quarter, but he has two very nice TDs in limited action. Long has a better upside on STs, and for that reason he is the odds on favorite.

I don't think either will make the team. I'm sure Long will be picked up on waivers but I'm hoping Jones can spend the year on the P.S.

TE (2?): Spach vs. Pope vs. Byrd. Whiz loves Spach, but Spach's not quite yet back to the player he was last year and is coming off a poor game. Pope has been thrown to and for the most part he's made the catches, but has not shown much of an interest in advancing the ball (RAC). Byrd, on the other hand, has shown very good RAC ability. Right now the odds are a toss-up on all three. Who knows? And maybe Whiz decides because of having to keep an extra WR, to only keep 2 TEs until Patrick gets back in Week 5.

I think it's going to come down to a battle between Pope and Patrick for one spot and Becht and Spach for another. I think Byrd will make it due to his versatility. I think our final TE's will be Becht (blocking), Patrick (potential to be an every down TE), and Byrd (h-back and back up FB).

OL (2?): What's needed are a backup LT and backup C. Odds are that Oliver Ross and the winner of Claxton vs. Fowler get the nod. The wild card here is E. Brown...a versatile player who has played tackle before and held his own...so the other battle really is Ross vs. E. Brown. The odds are in Ross' favor, seeing as he's been playing LT and E. Brown hasn't. As for Claxton vs. Fowler, what's interesting is that Fowler hasn't beaten Claxton out for the #2 center job, at least thus far, although Fowler has played well late in games. Odds would seem to be in Fowler's favor becuae he's been a starter in this league and his blocks to spring Wright on the screens last week were two of the better blocks in the game. But, Claxton has hung in there...so who knows? Russ Grimm may just stick with Claxton, and i think there's a possibilty that the Cardinals cut both Claxton and Fowler with the intention of re-signing Claxton to the Ps and activating him to the roster if Sendlein gets hurt.
I think Fowler will beat out Claxton due to experience and I think Elton Brown grabs the 9th OL position. It will be interesting if Vallejo clears waivers and we can bring him back. He may eventually take Elton's spot.

NT/DE (1): Watson vs. Leisle vs. Dykes. Watson struggled last week and does not look like himself. Leisle hasn't exactly distinguished himself. Dykes has the upside the coaches have been raving about, but has been injured all pre-season. The coaches know what they have in Watson when he's in shape and at 100%. But, is he either right now? Odds are they stick with Watson in the hope that he will get stronger as the weeks go on. Leisle has an outside shot. But, if the coaches like Dykes' upside more they might just stick with him with the thought that he too will be ready to contribute in a couple of weeks. This one is a crapshoot.

I think Watson, Dykes, and Branch will all make the team. I think it's way too risky to try and sneak Dykes through waivers. We're going to need lots of fresh beef on the line and once Dykes and Watson heal up they'll be okay.

ILB (2): Highsmith vs. Walker vs. Waiver Wire, Highsmith is hurt again and his scenario looks like a waived/injured or IR decision. My guess is IR, especially with Dansby's potential to walk after this season. Walker has showed up in games and delivered one of the very best and fundamental goal-line tackles you will ever see. For that reason, he could already be an asset in the goal-line defense...the odds are he makes the team. Looks like the Cardinals will be looking to add another ILB off waivers.

Highsmith was back at practice today and I think he makes the team. Ali showed what he can do last year so I don't think his injury will keep him off the team. Walker looks good and I think he spends the year on the P.S.

OLB (1): Berry vs. Holloway vs. Waiver Wire. Berry has done nothing to warrant a roster spot thus far. If he shows up versus Denver, he likely gets the nod. Holloway is a long shot no matter how you look at it. Odds are that the Cardinals try to swing a trade or pick up a player off of waivers, because they need another edge rusher like the desert needs rain

This is a tough call. I was hoping Berry would come to camp with a chip on his shoulder but he hasn't shown up at all. I'm hoping last weekends wake up call was ringing loudly in his ear. He probably makes it simply because we have no on else.

CB (1): R. Brown vs. Waiver Wire. Ralph Brown laid an egg last week and this has to be a concern. If the Cardinals can snag a player they like, Brown is gone. If not, he sticks, in the hope that he will wake up and smell the coffee the way he did in the playoffs.

I agree. If we want to improve our back field we have to make changes. Brown made some good plays in the playoffs last year but it will scare me big time if he's our #3 CB. What happens if DRC or McF go down early in the season before Toler is ready? Adams has impressed me with his tackling and special team play. Maybe this is the year he comes into his own. Lets hope so.

S (1?): Matt Ware vs. Waiver Wire. The coaches have always liked Ware, because he can play nickel safety, STs and CB in a pinch. Likely he sticks for all those reasons...but what the Cardinals really need is a legitimate nickel cover 2 safety.

I agree here too. I think Ware is gone if we can get a CB of LB off of wavers.

MY FINAL 53

OFFENSE

QB - WARNER, LEINART, BSP
RB - HIGHTOWER, WELLS, WRIGHT, LSH
FB - KRIEDER
WR - FITZ, Q, BREASTON, URBAN, DUCET, MOREY
TE - BECHT, PATRICK, BYRD, (SPACH until Patrick comes back)
OT - L. BROWN, GANDY, E BROWN, H. JOHNSON
OG - R. WELLS, LUTUI, KEITH
OC - SENDLEIN, FOWLER

DEFENSE

LDE - DOCKETT, IWEBEMA
NT - ROBINSON, WATSON, BRANCH
RDE - CAMPBELL, DYKES
ROLB - OKEAFOR, BERRY
WILB - DANSBY, HIGHSMITH
SILB - HAYES, HOBSON
LOLB - HAGGANS, DAVIS
CB - DRC, MCFADDEN, TOLER, ADAMS
FS - ROLLE, R. JOHNSON, WARE
SS - AW, FRANCISCO,

K - RACKERS
P - GRAHAM
KR - LSH
LS - LEACH

P.S. - CANFIELD, WALKER, O. JONES, BULLOCK, PALKO, CLAXTON, PEARCE
 

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As far as Warner going 16 games this season I would guess it's as likely as any other QB in the league doing the same.
So, not very likely.

I'm not saying he's made of glass, I'm saying he's made of flesh and bone and QBs don't often get off injury-free....especially old ones. And Leinart IS made of glass. Thus, my original point, I think it's important the Cardinals keep 3 QBs.
 

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I didn't know Mitch came back... Welcome back.

I'd like to see Palko as our 3rd QB. He is an athlete that would be interesting in a wildcat formation and some trickery. He offers us the mobility that neither Matt nor Kurt can offer.
 

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One of the reasons that KW has never had back-to-back 16 game seasons was the time he spent in Mike Martz' offense. My understanding is that the offensive system of MM does not protect the QB very well. Of course, at his age, health will be an issue. That is why I'm very happy that ML has played the way he has this summer.
 

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