Who's your pick for GM 2019?

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I dunno would have to research it.

http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/front-office/2017/12/28/2018-nfl-general-manager-candidate-study/

There's a good start.

Actually if I were Michael I'd start with a legit sit down and honest evaluation of Mr. Keim and it would go something like this.

I want to evaluate you position by position and I want to rank each one of our positions by rank against all our peers and then I want to see all your draft choices by those positions and I want an honest grade on every player you've ever drafted. We are going to hire some outside consultants to give their opinions on each as well, some retired NFL scouts or personell people who's opinion we value we're going to bring them in, feed them, pay them and have them assist in this evaluation.

The purpose of this is NOT to fire you, I wouldn't put this much time into firing you, the purpose is to hold you accountable and to develop strategies for improving.

What I want to do is NOT second guess you, although we will be doing this obviously, the purpose is to identify how we can grow as an organization.

Do we need to bring in people who are strong in offensive line evaluations? I don't know but this evaluation is going to be where we start to discuss those things.

NO EGO'S there is only this organization getting better, NO BUTT COVERING ALLOWED.

Organizations have to be honest with themselves first, that's the only way they can grow and fix problems.

This is how you get better you don't just hammer on people, if you trust them enough to hire them and pay them, you owe it to them to build a process by which they can actually help.

Keim has a tough job, I think you need to think outside the box here and build organizational structures that improve the organization.

Keim presided over a time where we were meeting the specific short term needs of a very specific coaching staff. Where we are now is largely a result of a bumpy transition from that to another system.

Mistakes have been made, but that's ok, mistakes are made all the time, the key is to honestly address the REAL issues and you need outside counsel on this it only helps keep you fresh and updated on the thinking of others.

Keim has the talent and makeup to do this I believe but the real mistake is just tossing this all on his shoulders without any guideance, he's never been a GM before he's not that kind of GM.

The best organizations I've ever seen built themselves upon effective cooperation and honest evaluations. They built adaptation into their DNA because that's what makes an organization valuable it's ability to self correct as quickly as possible.
 
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You know damn well we would of made the playoffs had injuries not happened, that's just bad luck

I don't quite agree. I think Arians got the absolute most out of the roster he was given last year. Hell of a coaching feat.

The problem is that Keim continues to miss, over and over again, to address a few key areas.

OL? Look at how many picks and free agents this team has gone through. Just failure after failure.

LB? Absolute dumpster fire. When he took over this team had some really good LBs. He drafted Minter high!!! A limited athlete who also wasn't good at fighting through blocks.

RB depth....other teams seem to routinely find good RBs late, while Keim finds guys with flaws.

WR depth....Chad Williams...garbage....So the team has to draft Kirk....He just makes mistakes and then has to make up for in later drafts/free agency periods.

TE depth....Misses on Glass boy...over pays Gresham....none of the depth guys he ever brings in are any good.

He has been good at finding outside pass rushers and #2 CBs. Has been good at finding safeties for the most part.
 

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I don't quite agree. I think Arians got the absolute most out of the roster he was given last year. Hell of a coaching feat.

The problem is that Keim continues to miss, over and over again, to address a few key areas.

OL? Look at how many picks and free agents this team has gone through. Just failure after failure.

LB? Absolute dumpster fire. When he took over this team had some really good LBs. He drafted Minter high!!! A limited athlete who also wasn't good at fighting through blocks.

RB depth....other teams seem to routinely find good RBs late, while Keim finds guys with flaws.

WR depth....Chad Williams...garbage....So the team has to draft Kirk....He just makes mistakes and then has to make up for in later drafts/free agency periods.

TE depth....Misses on Glass boy...over pays Gresham....none of the depth guys he ever brings in are any good.

He has been good at finding outside pass rushers and #2 CBs. Has been good at finding safeties for the most part.

I think this is a function of how they approach decision making in my opinion which is why I posted what I posted. As a GM maybe I'm nails at the positions you just listed he was good at but suck at several others.

That's ok, hire someone on staff who's nails at those and trust them, most newbie GM's of ANYTHING fail because they take too much upon themselves to be seen as the king of the entire domain.

Real leaders understand they suck at things and hire excellence in those areas, it's what a good GM SHOULD do. So instead of dumping Keim, fix the problems.

Hell of a lot cheaper and easier fix than rolling the dice on a new person, much easier to simply identify your weaknesses and plug the gaps.
 

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Keim is going to be the GM and should be.

Their rosters and on field performance has been pretty good, other than this year.

Hell, 2 years ago the cardinals had the most talented roster in the league and were coming off playing for the super bowl.

Injuries and Amos Jones killed the last 2 years.

He gets more time in my book but needs to right the ship
 

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Keim is going to be the GM and should be.

Their rosters and on field performance has been pretty good, other than this year.

Hell, 2 years ago the cardinals had the most talented roster in the league and were coming off playing for the super bowl.

Injuries and Amos Jones killed the last 2 years.

He gets more time in my book but needs to right the ship
huh
 

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everyone fleeces the Raiders. That's a low bar to set.

I just can't believe want to give this guy more time. He had a meteoric rise, that now none of us know whether it was due to him or Arians and has had as bad of a meteoric CRASH as anyone I've ever seen. Entrusting the keys to the car to a drunk both on and off the field lately just seems like such a bad decision.

Let me ask you this Finito... were you okay with McD getting to make major decisions about all of the Suns future this off-season?

Well it's like you said he had a great rise right. You don't start firing everybody the second it goes bad. The good organizations are stable in the front office. You have to take into account a lot of things aswell. This was not an attractive job when we were looking for a coach. We were turned down by a lot of guys.

I wanted Schurmer but I mean look at the mess in NY. Im sure when he took that job he thought he would be getting a franchise QB in the draft...oops.

SK himself is a very young GM. Despite what everybody likes to think the reality is he drafts pretty well and he's shown a great ability to sign quality free agents and make good trades.

Everybody fleeces the Raiders? Well how bout the Patriots? Cause he took them for a ride to.

Give it time. Things are bad and if you don't see changes and it stays bad then yes make changes in the front office but you have to give your football guys time to make things better.

You brought up the Suns and the Suns might be the most dysfunctional franchise in all of sports and that breaks my damn heart. One Suns championship would mean more to me that 5 Cardinal championships. They were ours from day 1

But the reason the Suns are so messed up is because Jerry sold the team to an owner who loves to meddle. He fires guys in the heat of the moments I think we've had like 3 GM's and 5 coaches over the past few years.
 

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There is no way I'm giving Keim a top 5--maybe even a #1--pick, and I don't want him involved in hiring our next coach. I don't have confidence in him at this point.
 
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There is no way I'm giving Keim a top 5--maybe even a #1--pick, and I don't want him involved in hiring our next coach. I don't have confidence in him at this point.

He did pretty damn good this year in the first round of the draft. Didn't even have a top ten pick. His 2nd round pick is looking good as well.
 

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everyone fleeces the Raiders. That's a low bar to set.

I just can't believe want to give this guy more time. He had a meteoric rise, that now none of us know whether it was due to him or Arians and has had as bad of a meteoric CRASH as anyone I've ever seen. Entrusting the keys to the car to a drunk both on and off the field lately just seems like such a bad decision.

Let me ask you this Finito... were you okay with McD getting to make major decisions about all of the Suns future this off-season?

the crash works to our benefit in the long run.
keim had his suspension right in the middle of keim-time...during camp when he should have been filling out the roster he wasnt available... the results of that are showing on the field.

I am all for giving both these pleebs another year to see what they can do. its not like there are qualified candidates falling out of the sky to take their jobs...

plus... I like lots of what Keim does. he trades well... so far I like his top 10 draft selections too...his mid round selections are pretty good as well....our biggest risk with Keim this year isnt the top 3 pick...its the 33-35 pick...would hate to see it wasted...but if he does well with the top pick, then does well with 65-67...its manageable
we have the potential to pull a hall of famer and two full time starters out of the 2019 draft and I think Keim can pull that off
 

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As we have had to forget about the playoffs in the present and near past? This is year three no playoffs with Keim at the helm. Methinks the two playoff years had more to do with BA than Keim. In fact maybe in spite of Keim. Keeping the dreck that’s currently in place and gave us 1-6 certainly does nothing to improve our playoff odds in the near future as you seem to be suggesting.

You could say that, but personally, I have had optimism going into each of those three years. Making a complete makeover would drastically lower that optimism for at least the next two to three years.
 

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