Why are many of you upset at the thought of giving big money to average players?

[cardsunsfan]

I think things need to be put into perspective. Right now the NFL is making Billions. Teams are making more money than ever before, including the Cardinals. Because of this the salary cap has gone up. Teams are resigning most of their very good players and average free agents are the only ones available and they are getting lucrative deals.

Now many of you are saying that players like Davis aren't worth the big bucks they're going to get. According to who? Because better players have made less in the past?

No matter how you look at it, we have alot of money underneath the cap. We should spend it. Every chance at another win, and a changing perception of the Cardinals is more profitable then the loss of spending the money. The Bidwills are going to make enough money. I don't fell guilty if they have to spend their cap rooming paying for average players as long as it makes us a better team.

If we feel we want our money better spent for future players than significantly front load the contracts.

I think we should have payed Davis the money he got, but to play as a guard, where he has had success at. I think he would play better guard than any guard we have right now. In my opinion we should have front loaded the contract, or franchised him. Our oline and our team would end up being better with him than without him.

The way things are going, we are just going to go into the season with a lot of money under the cap and not as good of a team as we could have been.

 

[Shogun]

You kind of answered your own question. Average players do not deserve big money. This is not the MLB or NBA in terms of market and I only pray that it stays that way. Throwing money around =/= changing perception. It's only cosmetic and only matters to the fans. Besides, it's ALWAYS good to spend someone else's money.

"Yes, let's drop $10 million guaranteed on a reserve safety! He's mediocre and he brings absolutely NOTHING to the team, but we have the money, let's splurge! That'll get the people on my side. Yeah, maybe they'll like me now.....Wait! Is that an offensive guard I see over there?? Do mine eyes deceive me?! $17 guaranteed on someone who is no better than the ones we have already and addresses no other need for the team, but hell, Bidwill's money is burning a hole in my pocket! Heh heh, because as you know, having a surplus of mediocre players is EXACTLY what we need right now."

 

[Goldfield]

cuz i dont care what they cost. I care about winning...

 

[cardsunsfan]

Don't get your point Shogun. Are players getting paid too much compared to the average person? Yes, probably, but that's not the point.

The point is the League is making billions of dollars and making more every year. When profits go up they make more money available to the players.

Some would say it's way too much money to give a backup player a million dollars but that's the economics of football today.

We either spend the money to improve our team, or it's wasted.

I help run a company and our profit margin % isn't even near to what NFL teams are. In a normal business structure they would probably be seem as giving too little of their profit back to their employees.

Unlike a normal business NFL teams don't have to pay for much of their overhead, state taxes pay for them. They also get paid by advertisers and fans. In normal business they would be called a monopoly and broken up, also we wouldn't be paying taxes for them.

So I don't think of the money the Bidwills keep instead of signing players as only their money but all our money and the states money. I do want them to spend the money they have even if it doesn't drastically improve our team. If it makes us better overall than it will be worth it.

 

[cardsunsfan]

"Yes, let's drop $10 million guaranteed on a reserve safety! He's mediocre and he brings absolutely NOTHING to the team, but we have the money, let's splurge! That'll get the people on my side. Yeah, maybe they'll like me now.....Wait! Is that an offensive guard I see over there?? Do mine eyes deceive me?! $17 guaranteed on someone who is no better than the ones we have already and addresses no other need for the team, but hell, Bidwill's money is burning a hole in my pocket! Heh heh, because as you know, having a surplus of mediocre players is EXACTLY what we need right now."

Also this comment is just plain stupid. You can debate if it is worth paying the money but to say that he would be close to worthless is wrong. Davis at guard and possibly tackle would help our team. It would at the very least add depth. Our oline is not so good now and if we were to lose anyone to injury it would be nice to have a solid backup. Davis would effect our depth chart positively.

 

[cardsunsfan]

Average players do not deserve big money. Besides, it's ALWAYS good to spend someone else's money.
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Sorry to keep responding to your quotes but there are so many stupid ones to comment on.

What do you define as big money? Big money to me is 250k. Big money to sports players changes over time as the industry makes more and more money.

What do you mean spend someone else's money? The state pays for it, we pay for it. Our time pays for it when we have to watch all of those stupid commericals. It is our money! We invested in this team, so we should expect Bidwill to do as much as he can to make us satisfied customers.

 

[ajcardfan]

You kind of answered your own question. Average players do not deserve big money. This is not the MLB or NBA in terms of market and I only pray that it stays that way. Throwing money around =/= changing perception. It's only cosmetic and only matters to the fans. Besides, it's ALWAYS good to spend someone else's money.

Unfortunately, the market has changed. If they won't overpay for average players, then they will have to overpay for below-average players (their value will be driven up too).

I guess you won't be one of those people griping about the lack of talent on the team if that's the approach we take.

 

[TheCardFan]

The Cardinals are very lucky they are in Phoenix...

Can you imagine if they were in Philly or NY?

 

[Shogun]

Also this comment is just plain stupid. You can debate if it is worth paying the money but to say that he would be close to worthless is wrong. Davis at guard and possibly tackle would help our team. It would at the very least add depth. Our oline is not so good now and if we were to lose anyone to injury it would be nice to have a solid backup. Davis would effect our depth chart positively.

Good thing I wasn't talking about Big with those comments. I never said that ANYONE would be worthless (you guys and your assumptions), but would signing a Dockery/Steinbach at their respective price actually address a need that everyone keeps shouting for? Not really. They're sexy and they'll look good in the season preview columns, but it's still doesn't fix the task(s) at hand.

Leonard is a different case. He was the sacrificial lamb to the changing of the guard. It would've been nice to have him back, but it was a pretty done deal that he wasn't returning, especially with the money he was going to command on the market. Too synonymous to what the franchise is - an immensely talented underachiever with no discipline or focus.

I do want them to spend the money they have even if it doesn't drastically improve our team. If it makes us better overall than it will be worth it.

So what do you call visiting Rod Hood, Reggie Kelly, and all the other guys we have visiting? They won't make us a better team? I want them to spend money also - but effectively. And that's what it seems like they are doing with their current targets. It may not be popular with the message board consensus, but it's the right way to go.

 

[40yearfan]

Good post Shogun.

 

[Sandan]

Why not ??

Because that is a way to demoralize your good players and mess up the cap in future years

 

[Skkorpion]

Hey guys, drop the "stupid" remarks, please.

 

[cardsunsfan]

Why not ??

Because that is a way to demoralize your good players and mess up the cap in future years

That's why I would like to front load the contractx if possible. Demorlizing your good players, well that's got to be happening anyways. Veteran players must be pissed when they see how much some of these mediocre players are making. Unfortunately the league and the willingness of their customers and advertisers to pay more and more for their product is going to make that happen.

 

[Stout]

Why not ??

Because that is a way to demoralize your good players and mess up the cap in future years

Mess up the cap in future years? Are you KIDDING? We're wasting away by pushing future bonuses into THIS year and squirreling away large chunks of cap space, and you're worried about future cap health? All we DO is save huge chunks of cap space, year after year, and never, ever use it to our greatest advantage. And you're worried about cap health? Aaaargh!

 

[cardsunsfan]