Why cant we sign Wilson

[CaptTurbo]

IMO there are far too many roadblocks stopping a boldin or dansby signing. If we cant sign Wilson we have no shot at Dansby or Boldin!

What could possibly be stopping a Wilson signing. This should be the easiest signing of Graves entire career. Of course I thought that about Warner too.

 

[dogpoo32]

You're right, should be a slam dunk. Its not like AW to ask for the moon, and even if he did, he's earned it.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Rod Graves is incapable of handling more than one player at a time. With 3 players in contention for an extension, Graves is overwhelmed to the point where his head will explode. 90% of the GM's in the league would already have at least one of these guys signed, but graves seems to love procrastinating.

 

[82CardsGrad]

According to Darren Urban, progress is being made on the Wilson signing... Patience people... patience....

 

[Carddan]

I believe the order of signings was set at Dansby, Wilson, then Q. I am not sure why this sequence needs to be followed, but signing Dansby would free up room for the others. Regardless of Dansby and Q (even with today's news) I believe signing Wilson is the most likely. The Dansby deadline is middle of July, I wouldn't be surprised if nothing happens with Wilson until after that.

As far as bashing Graves, no thank you. Wait and see. For some, just making it to the SB would be vindication, I, personally, am waiting to win it.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I believe the order of signings was set at Dansby, Wilson, then Q. I am not sure why this sequence needs to be followed, but signing Dansby would free up room for the others. Regardless of Dansby and Q (even with today's news) I believe signing Wilson is the most likely. The Dansby deadline is middle of July, I wouldn't be surprised if nothing happens with Wilson until after that.

Don't be surprised if Wilson gets done before Dansby... in fact, Urban is speculating that Danby may never get done.

 

[chickenhead]

I am more concerned with Wilson and Boldin than Dansby, especially if Dansby is determined to test FA. Along with some other posters, I would love to see Wilson get done first. But this may be my heart talking.

 

[TJ]

According to Darren Urban, progress is being made on the Wilson signing... Patience people... patience....

Unfortunately that is Grave's moniker, "patience" Hopefully, this will be the last season we have to endure that.

 

[PDXChris]

Last week Jurecki said that Wilson told him to expect something in the next few days to few weeks. He said they were really close.

 

[Pariah]

Unfortunately that is Grave's moniker, "patience" Hopefully, this will be the last season we have to endure that.

In fairness, his "patience" got us to the Super Bowl last season. I'd say it's paid-off.

 

[Duckjake]

IMO there are far too many roadblocks stopping a boldin or dansby signing. If we cant sign Wilson we have no shot at Dansby or Boldin!

What could possibly be stopping a Wilson signing. This should be the easiest signing of Graves entire career. Of course I thought that about Warner too.

The millions in cash that have to be paid as signing bonus maybe.

Just look at how much money the Cards could make paying Dansby $9 million in salary in 16 installments this fall instead of $15-20 million in cash this spring.

Even at a modest rate of return I would bet that it would be a nice piece of change.

So the longer the Cards wait to pay Wilson's signing bonus the more money their investment guys can generate.

 

[Reddog]

I believe the order of signings was set at Dansby, Wilson, then Q. I am not sure why this sequence needs to be followed, but signing Dansby would free up room for the others. Regardless of Dansby and Q (even with today's news) I believe signing Wilson is the most likely. The Dansby deadline is middle of July, I wouldn't be surprised if nothing happens with Wilson until after that.

As far as bashing Graves, no thank you. Wait and see. For some, just making it to the SB would be vindication, I, personally, am waiting to win it.

Because he is tagged, if we don't get a deal done with Dansby by 7/15 there will be no deal and good or bad he walks next year.

 

[Mitch]

The next time Somers goes on vacation (hopefully soon), Wilson will re-sign, be a Cardinal for life and when he retires: the Cardinals Ring of Fame!

If you are reading AW...we love you, man. You epitomize the player who became the SOLUTION to the problem. And you've done it with class, and a ton of courage. You are the best!

 

[Carddan]

The next time Somers goes on vacation (hopefully soon), Wilson will re-sign, be a Cardinal for life and when he retires: the Cardinals Ring of Fame!

If you are reading AW...we love you, man. You epitomize the player who became the SOLUTION to the problem. And you've done it with class, and a ton of courage. You are the best!

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[imaCafan]

Been thinking of posting a thread like this every day since they said AW was the #1 priority. Should have been done loooooong ago......

 

[az1965]

It seems Urban hinted that Wilson deal negotiations are on-going... that is the most hopeful of all the three extension cases!

 

[SeattleCard]

Wilson is worth it. THere was never a more true cardinal player deserving then him. 100 percent loyal to the team.

 

[82CardsGrad]

In fairness, his "patience" got us to the Super Bowl last season. I'd say it's paid-off.

Also contributed to Q dumping Rosenhaus.... LOVE IT!!!

 

[Carddan]

Rod Graves is incapable of handling more than one player at a time. With 3 players in contention for an extension, Graves is overwhelmed to the point where his head will explode. 90% of the GM's in the league would already have at least one of these guys signed, but graves seems to love procrastinating.

I believe that if Dansby is reasonable he will be re-signed by 7-15, if not, it's not the fault of Graves. If AW and Q are re-signed prior to camp would that change your opinion of Graves? I agree that getting it done is important, but being in a hurry is not.

 

[TJ]

In fairness, his "patience" got us to the Super Bowl last season. I'd say it's paid-off.

I cannot endorse this. Denny Green and Whiz had more to do with the Superbowl than Graves. Green helped Graves recruit the right people in free agency during his time here and Whisenhunt brought the wisdom and personnel to seal the deal.

Graves doesn't have the fortitude to negotiate with agents, get big deals done in a timely fashion (see Warner) and get first round draft picks signed in time for training camp (hasn't happened since 2003).

If the Cards want to be considered a perennial threat to win a championship, they need to be solid in all facets of the game, and that includes the front office. Graves represents what the Cards used to be: unmotivated, pliable, and a pushover. We need an experienced GM with some brass, experience and the ability to get deals done and move on to the next project.

Wilson should be a slam dunk deal. I understand the hold up with Dansby and Boldin, but AW shouldn't be a topic still.

 

[Carddan]

DRC missed what? One day? I also don't care if the Cardinals are "considered" a threat to win a championship, as long as they are one.

Getting Wells into camp on time is a big issue, especially since he is missing OTAs. Being the 31st pick should make it easier. I think it is too early to judge the performance of Mr. Graves this offseason.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I cannot endorse this. Denny Green and Whiz had more to do with the Superbowl than Graves. Green helped Graves recruit the right people in free agency during his time here and Whisenhunt brought the wisdom and personnel to seal the deal.

Graves doesn't have the fortitude to negotiate with agents, get big deals done in a timely fashion (see Warner) and get first round draft picks signed in time for training camp (hasn't happened since 2003).

If the Cards want to be considered a perennial threat to win a championship, they need to be solid in all facets of the game, and that includes the front office. Graves represents what the Cards used to be: unmotivated, pliable, and a pushover. We need an experienced GM with some brass, experience and the ability to get deals done and move on to the next project.

Wilson should be a slam dunk deal. I understand the hold up with Dansby and Boldin, but AW shouldn't be a topic still.

Wow... I'm not saying Graves should be up for GM of the year, but you're being way over the top here.
He did get deals done with Fitz, Q, Dockett, Berry, DRC, Campbell, Hightower, Warner...
His management of the Q situation has been spot-on in my opinion, and has now led to Q dumping Rosenhaus!
He will get the Wilson deal done - soon...

What specifically would you prefer to see happen? He should just cave to every whim from the players? Dockett wants to re-do a deal he just "re-did" - so Graves should bend over and kindly take it up the butt??

 

[Jetstream Green]

A lot of teams now are having problems getting players signed, signing rookies. I think a lot of people forget or must be bandwagon fans if they think Graves is doing such a bad job now...I remember when the Cardinals could not even get the low end picks signed by freaking training camp. The Cardinals made it to the Superbowl. Whis is a big factor because he proved that some of the players Grave has had a hand signing or drafting where good players which could form a playoff team. Whis' success is to an extent Graves vindication. I'm not saying Graves is a great GM, but Graves hardly sucks at the job. I will not even plead people to be patient because for the most part not much time has passed by in the frame work of contracts getting done with a player in Wilson's position, a matter fact it seems to be moving right on time. I think it is the complaints of Boldin and Dockett still in a contract with years to go, which is affecting people on how quickly one should expect Wilson to sign.

 

[DoTheDew]

Unfortunately that is Grave's moniker, "patience" Hopefully, this will be the last season we have to endure that.

I'll take Graves' patience over Snyder's knee-jerk, cap burning, short-sighted signings.

 

[TJ]

He did get deals done with Fitz, Q, Dockett, Berry, DRC, Campbell, Hightower, Warner...

Campbell and Hightower are not first round draft choices. Those type of signings are pretty much given.

DRC was two days late getting to camp. Graves cannot do a 1st round deal to save his life. Signing a guy picked #31 should be easy, but we'll see.

Berry is a vet. minimum deal for a guy who REALLY wanted to stay here. Why are you using this as an example?

The Fitz fiasco last season hand cuffed us from signing key free agents last season, like Alan Faneca. He could have saved face by getting this done earlier. He didn't.

The Warner situation could have been done in the middle of the season last year and we would have had him for less than we have now. Graves refused to address the contract in the middle of the season. He had the opportunity to negotiate after the season and the negotiations went stagnant. It took weeks and a threat to sign with a division rivalry for him to wake up and smell the salt. I started to hear "Same ole Cards" again. N

His management of the Q situation has been spot-on in my opinion, and has now led to Q dumping Rosenhaus!

I think the two are mutually exclusive. Rosenhaus has tarnished his reputation as a good teammate and a good player. Bolin pre Rosenhaus was not your quintecential Rosenhaus client: narccististic, whiny and always in a state of discontent about something (contract, stats, etc.) Details on this are vague, so it's hard to put my finger on it.

He will get the Wilson deal done - soon...

See Warner explanation above. We all said the same about him. I hope you're right though.

What specifically would you prefer to see happen? He should just cave to every whim from the players? Dockett wants to re-do a deal he just "re-did" - so Graves should bend over and kindly take it up the butt??

Nobody in their right mind would renegotiate this contract, not even Graves. We will not in your words "take it up the butt" this season from Dockett, nor should we.

And if you think his slow, patient style of negotiating is good for this team, then why are we always in financial straights? I think contracts can be structured differently while still giving players what they want. Sucks that we only have $6 mil left on the cap with three key players left to re-sign (if you include Dansby)