Why Cards won't get either Wells or Moreno

[az jam]

Both Wells and Moreno could slip to the bottom part of round one because the needs of many teams for the first round are not running back. However I could see teams like the Giants, Colts and Titans trading down to teams with low second round picks. These teams need a running back and are willing to give several draft choices to move up to the bottom of round one to get either Wells or Moreno. The Seahawks, Browns and Chiefs all could do this.

So Card fans don't hold your breath too long if Wells and Moreno are still on the board at #29 when the Giants are on the clock. Teams know that the Cards would most likely take Wells or Moreno. So they would have to trade up to get them.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Both Wells and Moreno could slip to the bottom part of round one because the needs of many teams for the first round are not running back. However I could see teams like the Giants, Colts and Titans trading down to teams with low second round picks. These teams need a running back and are willing to give several draft choices to move up to the bottom of round one to get either Wells or Moreno. The Seahawks, Browns and Chiefs all could do this.

So Card fans don't hold your breath too long if Wells and Moreno are still on the board at #29 when the Giants are on the clock. Teams know that the Cards would most likely take Wells or Moreno. So they would have to trade up to get them.

I haven't thought, for some weeks, that either would be there. Both Philly and Giants could select one to meet their needs... let alone any trade up possibilities. Brown and McCoy are more realistic options if the Cards go RB in round one.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Yeah but one or both will be available at #21, No?

Its all conjecture and speculation right now. If they fell, if they don't, or if someone trades up no one knows.

And even more importantly you don't know what the Cardinals gameplan is either. Who is to say Wiz doesn't have something up his sleeve if he really wants either of thise guys?

 

[Mitch]

You may be right, az jam...but...what works in the Cardinals' favor, IMO, is that the RBs may keep sliding down because there is going to be a furious run on DEs, LBs, WRs and Ts. Plus, while teams like the Giants may be asked to trade down, I don't think they will, especially since they already have two second rounders, and they will want to draft the best WR or best T on the board at #29...which is why the furious run on WRs and Ts should make the Giants antsy. The best news is the Giants and Titans do not need RBs...so if they don't trade down, the Cardinals may have an excellent chance to draft Moreno or Wells, if indeed they slide.

But...I think the Cardinals are actually as high or higher on Donald Brown and Shonn Greene.

The tough call will be to take a RB at #31 or a pass rusher.

 

[DoTheDew]

You may be right, az jam...but...what works in the Cardinals' favor, IMO, is that the RBs may keep sliding down because there is going to be a furious run on DEs, LBs, WRs and Ts. Plus, while teams like the Giants may be asked to trade down, I don't think they will, especially since they already have two second rounders, and they will want to draft the best WR or best T on the board at #29...which is why the furious run on WRs and Ts should make the Giants antsy. The best news is the Giants and Titans do not need RBs...so if they don't trade down, the Cardinals may have an excellent chance to draft Moreno or Wells, if indeed they slide.

But...I think the Cardinals are actually as high or higher on Donald Brown and Shonn Greene.

The tough call will be to take a RB at #31 or a pass rusher.

I, personally would be in favor of the Cardinals trading out of the first round all together and picking up a 2nd and 3rd. They could then get 2 solid LBs and one of the 2nd tier RBs.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I, personally would be in favor of the Cardinals trading out of the first round all together and picking up a 2nd and 3rd. They could then get 2 solid LBs and one of the 2nd tier RBs.

Agreed - Provided they can get Brown with that 2nd round pick. I think he is going to be a dynamic back.

 

[NuttinButTDs]

While you do have an interesting theory, lets look at the teams that "need" a RB.

1. AZ to possibly replace Edge
2. CLE - Jamal Lewis is getting up there
3. PHI - to help their "hurt" RB
4. Chiefs - ??
5. Seattle - ??
6. NO - Reggie Bush is not a full time RB
7 HOU - back up Steve Slaton

PHI has the best shot at a RB with 2 first round picks and may be the first team to pick a RB.

CLE has only 5 picks with 2 picks (36,50) in Round 2. I dont see them giving up one of the five to move up.

KC has Jamaal Charles. RB is not their top need when they need help in defensive front (LB, DL, S). They dont have a second round pick and I dont see anybody trading their first round pick to get Chiefs third round at the minimum.

SEA picks 5 spots after AZ and can have their choice of RB as CLE will not trade up. Would they want to lose a pick to get a RB. They may be the only viable candidate for trade up as they do have lot of compensatory picks.

NO has 4 picks and none in round 2 and 3. They will not trade up

Would HOU give up 2nd and 4th to move up. They really dont need a RB that badly as they have Slaton and Chris Brown.

If PHI does not pick a RB in round 1, AZ, SEA and CLE can get their choice without trading. To trade up, you will lose a pick and these teams can wait out and see what happens. The only team I see trading up is SEA.

 

[Mitch]

I, personally would be in favor of the Cardinals trading out of the first round all together and picking up a 2nd and 3rd. They could then get 2 solid LBs and one of the 2nd tier RBs.

Good thought, DoTheDew. Joe in his mock had a very interesting scenario where Cincinnati trades up to #31 in order to sneak ahead of the Steelers to draft C Alex Mack. I think he had Cincinnati giving up their 2nd (#39) and their 4th rounder.

 

[WildBB]

Agreed - Provided they can get Brown with that 2nd round pick. I think he is going to be a dynamic back.

Seattle is looking hard at him @36. We'd need to take him @31 IMO. Trade down to 35 or better won't be available , IMO.

 

[Mitch]

Seattle is looking hard at him @36. We'd need to take him @31 IMO. Trade down to 35 or better won't be available , IMO.

Actually they (Seattle) are at #37...and you are right, provided they don't draft Moreno or Wells at #4, which some pundits think might happen.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Good thought, DoTheDew. Joe in his mock had a very interesting scenario where Cincinnati trades up to #31 in order to sneak ahead of the Steelers to draft C Alex Mack. I think he had Cincinnati giving up their 2nd (#39) and their 4th rounder.

I don't like that trade one bit. Whats the point of going back 8 spots? to get a 4th rounder?

Pass. Unless you have 9 players on the board you are equally ecstatic with there is no reason to make that trade. Another third rounder is something different all togethter.

 

[Goldfield]

I want a guy like Larry English first, then Shonn Greene middle to late 2nd round. D, OL, & a return guy after that.

 

[Carddan]

There are so many possibilities and so many unknowns. The Cardinals will know which RB or RBs they are willing to make a move to get, they will also know which teams are willing to trade their 1st rd pick for, say, Boldin. If a team that is willing to trade their pick for Q is on the clock when our preferred RB is on the board, we might pull the trigger. I estimate the odds of this at less than 30%, but with all the possibilities, that is not bad. Waiting until #31, there is so much or so little that could happen first. Making every effort to keep Q has merit, so does trading him for a 1st plus anything else. It will be a very interesting draft day.

 

[CardinalChris]

Because we draft 31st?

 

[Goldfield]

I cant wait any more. Start the draft already!

 

[Skkorpion]

Bring on the real draft, please.

 

[Chopper0080]

I hope Moreno and Wells aren't available at 31. in my opinion they are both overrated as a feature back.

Moreno seems to be the ultimate average back like Shaun Alexander and Joseph Addai. Isn't real fast, catches ok, runs with some power but is not exceptional in any way.

Wells on the other hand appears to be a very soft power back. He is more Ron Dayne than Jerome Bettis from what I have seen.

 

[Goldfield]

Shonn Greene is your Jerome Bettis

 

[WildBB]

There are so many possibilities and so many unknowns. The Cardinals will know which RB or RBs they are willing to make a move to get, they will also know which teams are willing to trade their 1st rd pick for, say, Boldin. If a team that is willing to trade their pick for Q is on the clock when our preferred RB is on the board, we might pull the trigger. I estimate the odds of this at less than 30%, but with all the possibilities, that is not bad. Waiting until #31, there is so much or so little that could happen first. Making every effort to keep Q has merit, so does trading him for a 1st plus anything else. It will be a very interesting draft day.

It'll be very, very interesting to see if Miami offers a 1st with Wells sitting there at 25 for Boldin. I think if we can extract their 3rd it's a done deal. He wants to be out of here to be in Fla. If we can accomodate him we should. We owe him that.

To get Miami's 3rd we may have to give up a 5. But do it. This has the potential to turn nasty if things don't go his way. If Miami is willing to re-neg his contract sweet, if not a straight 1st and 3rd should suffice, because they're getting a sweet contract with Boldin. Not that he'll be satisfied with that deal, but at least he'll be nearer to his home.

Then they can go:

@25- E. Brown
@31 - Wells/D. Brown
@63 - Casey
@87- R. Johnson/Martin
@95 - McKillop/ Brinkley/Sidbury/Cody Brown/Hunt
@131 - Jason Watkins - OT Fla.
@167 - Pedescleaux, DE N. Iowa
#6 - Andy Kemp, OG Wisconsin
#7 - Devin Moore RB Wyoming
#7 - Chris Williams WR New Mexico State


That's a really good haul. Bring 'er on.

They would also have the option of further trading down to #38 w/ the Bengals and picking up that and #106 for #31. They then would pick up McCoy @38 and BPA @106 possibly a Center Caldwell/Luigs/Shipley or the OT Watkins.

I'm outy./

 

[Garthshort]

Because the team wants Shon Green, and we'll get him in the second round. All he (SG) can do is move the chains.

 

[Garthshort]

Excuse the spelling.

 

[Stout]

I hope Moreno and Wells aren't available at 31. in my opinion they are both overrated as a feature back.

Moreno seems to be the ultimate average back like Shaun Alexander and Joseph Addai. Isn't real fast, catches ok, runs with some power but is not exceptional in any way.

Wells on the other hand appears to be a very soft power back. He is more Ron Dayne than Jerome Bettis from what I have seen.

Oh God, PLEASE don't let us get another Alexander

Are you kidding? You're forgetting that, for a time, Alexander was one of the best and most prolific backs in the entire league. If he's an Alexander clone, then yes, please!

 

[JeffGollin]

Teams know that the Cards would most likely take Wells or Moreno. So they would have to trade up to get them.

Based on what hard evidence?

Equally valid cases can be made for:

- The Cards being interested in a half-dozen or so players (including Wells or Moreno along with Donald Brown, McCoy, Mack, Wood, Maleuga, Laurinaitis and the other USC LB's, English, Barwin or Darious Butler)

- The Cards opting instead to grab a second-level RB later in the draft.

- The Cards absolutely falling in love with some player we never even considered - like the Jerry or Hood dudes.

- Or someone like Harvin drops from the sky.

- The Cards trusting their (modified) BPA Board and taking the highest rated player who falls to them.

- Given the "body language" regarding Wells and Maleuga at various points along the way - seriously trying to trade up into the top 15 or 20 (something not part of the recent Cardinal MO).

Two points worth making:

1. There are more than 31 good players available in this draft. Mathematically, all of the guys the team is interested in cannot be off the board.

2. Anyone who tells you "they absolutely know" what the Cardinals and other teams are thinking right now doesn't really know (unless, of course, they are Rod G, Ken W or Michael B - and even then, they're not about to shoot straight; no way no how).

 

[WildBB]

1. There are more than 31 good players available in this draft. Mathematically, all of the guys the team is interested in cannot be off the board.

All good points Jeff. There are multiple players worth taking. We could do worse than just staying put, but the better option is trading down and picking up extra because 10 deep into the 2nd will get you a very good player and giving us the luxury of taking that extra position player, a TE,FS or C/G where we would have missed out on that opportunity to take a difference maker there before/around the 100th pick.

 

[az jam]

Good points Jeff. I actually think the Cards would pass on Moreno but seriously consider Wells based on his size, speed and power. IMO Wells is the player that teams would trade up to get.
However, neither Graves or Whis will be tipping their hand. I could see them going after RBS Greene or Andre Brown with their second round pick. The draft is a crap shoot and I hate to tell you how many times I've been wrong on trying to figure out what teams will do.