Why did it take Arians so long to start using our HofF WR

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Is it possible he actually thought Fitz was so far past his prime that the younger WRs deserved more of the spot light? For whatever reason, it is about time. Welcome home, Larry? Glad to see coach realize you are better than simply being a blocking Wr.


PS. Imagine how good Larry would have been if he had had a HofF QB throwing to him all these years. It is almost unimaginable: Brady to Fitzgerald.....TD!
 
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Took Larry time to adjust to his new role. When Carson went down, Stanton/Lindley were more comfortable throwing to other guys they practiced with as backups.
 

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Because that's how long it took for defenses to start give Smokey double coverage. Now Larry is usually pretty wide open. Plus BA said himself, he should've used Fitz more in the red zone ... his bad.
 

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According to BA, Fitz has been battling nagging injuries the last couple of years. Then throw in the fact that last year he had back up QBs throwing to him most of the season and you have your answer.
 

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-told-larry-fitzgerald-to-trust-bruce-arians/

It was a risk shifting Fitzgerald to a less prominent role, because he was already good at his previous one and there were no guarantees others would respond to the switch. But Fitzgerald has seemingly grown comfortable in the last two years, catching important passes if not as many, and setting a good example for the team by being a willing blocker inside as well.

“It’s a different world inside,” Fitzgerald said. “The game is a lot faster. The guys are a lot bigger. When you’re getting tackled outside the numbers, it’s usually a guy you’re much bigger than.

“It’s taken me a little bit to get used to it, but at this age, the way I’m playing now, I feel like I’m much more of a complete player. I can still go outside and win. I can go inside and win. I’m a much better blocker. What Coach has me doing has made my game more versatile.”

I think it was also mentioned that Larry had been affected by non-serious, but lingering injuries these past two seasons.

Don't quote me though, but I thought I heard something about it during Arian's post-game.
 

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Because that's how long it took for defenses to start give Smokey double coverage. Now Larry is usually pretty wide open. Plus BA said himself, he should've used Fitz more in the red zone ... his bad.

This. JB12 is a massive weapon. D has to account for him, which leaves the middle open and Larry is destroying. The emergence of John Brown has caused the D to concede ... Soon they will try to double Larry and get burned deep. The speed on this team is insane. Can't wait for Floyd to get in that mix too...best offense we've had.

Larry will clown single coverage in the middle...and JB in the slot has been devastating... Requires safety help.
 

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This. JB12 is a massive weapon. D has to account for him, which leaves the middle open and Larry is destroying. The emergence of John Brown has caused the D to concede ... Soon they will try to double Larry and get burned deep. The speed on this team is insane. Can't wait for Floyd to get in that mix too...best offense we've had.

Larry will clown single coverage in the middle...and JB in the slot has been devastating... Requires safety help.

This, for the most part. However, don't discount the following:

- Last season, right when Carson went down the knee, he and Fitz had just started clicking. In fact, in the Rams game where Palmer got hurt, I believe it was Fitz's best game of 2014!

- The run game. It's legit. Legit enough that defenses need to deal with it. Opening up the middle for Larry.

- Our TE's. They are not legit... yet! But, they are slowly demonstrating that they too are a force that needs to be dealt with.

- Lastly, our o-line. They too are legit and are giving Palmer the second most time in the pocket in the NFL. He now has time to make his reads & progressions and get the ball to Larry.
 

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According to BA, Fitz has been battling nagging injuries the last couple of years. Then throw in the fact that last year he had back up QBs throwing to him most of the season and you have your answer.

Totally agree. IMO when Fitz has a good qb throwing to him, he is elite.
 

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You mean the HOF WR who is done & can't perform at a high level anymore? ;) lol
 

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It's a combination of things. You have to remember it was Larry who didn't want to make the move inside and made it very known he wasn't happy.

Chris Carter said today that Larry talked with Hines Ward this offseason and they went over his role on the team and how moving to the inside would extend his career. So credit to Larry for accepting his new role.

We have Brown now and BA needs that guy in his offense to stretch the field. He flat out has to be accounted for.

We now have a running game and nothing opens up WR more than a running game.

Bottom line we just have way to many weapons now.
 

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Is it possible he actually thought Fitz was so far past his prime that the younger WRs deserved more of the spot light? For whatever reason, it is about time. Welcome home, Larry? Glad to see coach realize you are better than simply being a blocking Wr.


PS. Imagine how good Larry would have been if he had had a HofF QB throwing to him all these years. It is almost unimaginable: Brady to Fitzgerald.....TD!
No, I don't believe that.

Fitz had to learn an entirely new skill set, but that's not the whole story. He surely had doubts also, about the scheme and the way he was being used. During his post game press conference a reporter asked how difficult it was to adjust. He said without hesitation, "You're a veteran sports reporter, imagine if they moved you to home and gardens. It would take a few years for you to adjust and your unique skills to be recognized."

It's much more though. For Fitz to thrive in this role, they had to develop other receiving threats to get him open. That's why they were chucking it up to Brown and Floyd and others last year, to stretch the defense and clear out the middle.

Here's where it gets awesome though. Fitz spent his first and second year in this role primarily down blocking. Especially LBers. Let that sink in, it fits the scheme perfectly.

Fitz is now a double or even triple threat, once the field is stretched and the middle is open. It's not just that he kills zones, not just that he destroys LBs in coverage it's that now, when he's in that slot, opponents have no clue if he's blocking, going out for a catch, or opening up avenues for other receivers.

Hes blown past LBs and safeties this year because they thought he was going to block. His technique is always the same, blocking or receiving. Yes, he's lost a step, but he's the best technician with the best hands in the NFL. Opposing LBs have no clue if he wants to engage them, he's running toward them the exact same way, because of awesome technique.

I said earlier he's a double or triple threat, that's because he can still block well and open up plays for our RB. The defense doesn't know what he's going to do. Maybe the play before he went out on a route, the next play he's blocking, the next play maybe he's just creating space for others by clearing them out.

I would honestly say that Fitz may be the most important cog in this offense... Still. And they can't stop it, they can't take him out of a game. They could if he was playing out wide, but not now. Now he's effective and efficient in every situation.

BA and Tom Moore are offensive geniuses. I believe that.

The main thing is, Fitz could potentially thrive in this role for years. You don't have to be young or fast to play the slot. And Fitz is the best slot player in the NFL. Don't care about others, they don't do what he does, as far as the whole package, route running, blocking, hands, technique and clear outs.

When they resigned Fitz he became a monster. It'll last all year. Brown and Floyd and others may have bigger games, maybe, but it's because of Fitz work underneath. He makes this machine run.
 

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Nice post Darkside. I enjoyed reading that.
 

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Is it possible he actually thought Fitz was so far past his prime that the younger WRs deserved more of the spot light? For whatever reason, it is about time. Welcome home, Larry? Glad to see coach realize you are better than simply being a blocking Wr.


PS. Imagine how good Larry would have been if he had had a HofF QB throwing to him all these years. It is almost unimaginable: Brady to Fitzgerald.....TD!

The fact that Larry was used as he was under BA, is that we did not have anyone to stretch the defense and force double coverage on anyone other than Larry until Smoke began requiring double coverage. It had almost nothing at all to do with Larry, because he was the one that got most of the double coverage until Smoke became such a factor. That is why Palmer took Smoke home with him to California to hurry Smoke's learning curve and shorten the time it took him to command double teams. Now Larry is being single covered, and this is what he brings to the under routes. If they shift coverage to him, then Smoke is going to have single coverage deep all the time.
 
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