Why does everyone think a speed WR will solve all of our Offensive Woes?

[mdsisquo]

It seems thats several people on this Board think we need a burner type of WR to stretch the field. Someone with 4.3 40 speed who will just go deep on every play. Why do people think someone like this will make our offense click? We already had a WR like that who got cut, Bryan Gilmore. If we draft a WR late in next years draft, it will be a Gilmore all over again. The offense is about 3 players away from being pretty good.

RB
QB
OL

We don't need any WR's.

 

[clif]

It seems thats several people on this Board think we need a burner type of WR to stretch the field. Someone with 4.3 40 speed who will just go deep on every play. Why do people think someone like this will make our offense click? We already had a WR like that who got cut, Bryan Gilmore. If we draft a WR late in next years draft, it will be a Gilmore all over again. The offense is about 3 players away from being pretty good.

RB
QB
OL

We don't need any WR's.

lets just say with want all the above

 

[SECTION 11]

I think the running back is CLEARLY, WITHOUT A DOUBT the #1 need on this team, but a speed receiver certainly wouldn't hurt.


Sincerely,

Section 11 - Proud member of the "We should have drafted Clarence Moore instead of Larry Fitzgerald and saved ourselves a TON of cash while filling a bigger need" club.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Drafting a speed WR makes no sense when we have too many holes to fill. Trade Bryant Johnson if anything, Cleveland has a bunch of underacheiving speed guys and we can maybe do a trade with one of our underachieving possession guys.

 

[Russ Smith]

Drafting a speed WR makes no sense when we have too many holes to fill. Trade Bryant Johnson if anything, Cleveland has a bunch of underacheiving speed guys and we can maybe do a trade with one of our underachieving possession guys.

I don't think anybody would touch BJ. Since Quan came back he has 13 catches for 128 yards, in 6 games. Longest catch 28 yards, next longest 14. I'm not sure he's done enough to show he has any trade value.

Drafting one high I agree but remember Green has a history of BPA and if we're on the board in round 2 or 3 and a guy like Thorpe is there, Green may take him.

Comparing Thorpe to Gilmore is kind of a strawman argument, the guy was rated a potential first rounder last year before he broke his leg, he's not just a track guy.

 

[conraddobler]

I don't think anybody would touch BJ. Since Quan came back he has 13 catches for 128 yards, in 6 games. Longest catch 28 yards, next longest 14. I'm not sure he's done enough to show he has any trade value.

Drafting one high I agree but remember Green has a history of BPA and if we're on the board in round 2 or 3 and a guy like Thorpe is there, Green may take him.

Comparing Thorpe to Gilmore is kind of a strawman argument, the guy was rated a potential first rounder last year before he broke his leg, he's not just a track guy.

Bryant Johnson is a dissapointment to be kind.

He has done squat healthy and never having to deal with double coverage.

He is in numerous 3 WR sets and the other two are Boldin and Fitz... He should be flourishing, he's not.

I don't think anyone said a burner WR would fix everything.

The RB position to me is the most important but where you might get that take is that some of us think Fitzgerald was the wrong WR if you are going that route that high and you already had Boldin.

Lot's of boards had Williams higher than Fitzgerald and compounding the fact Boldin and Fitz are as similar as they are it wasn't a move that made a ton of sense to me.

KC had Priest Holmes and Gonzales but what started them being a dominant an offense as they are was signing Eddie Kennison. He's not awesome but he does make more room for all the other WR and the RB's once they get past the LOS.

The guy dosen't have to be all world just fast and competent. It helps stretch everything and most Offensive coaches acknowledge all else being equal it's a big benefit.

 

[Russ Smith]

The RB position to me is the most important but where you might get that take is that some of us think Fitzgerald was the wrong WR if you are going that route that high and you already had Boldin.

Lot's of boards had Williams higher than Fitzgerald and compounding the fact Boldin and Fitz are as similar as they are it wasn't a move that made a ton of sense to me.

KC had Priest Holmes and Gonzales but what started them being a dominant an offense as they are was signing Eddie Kennison. He's not awesome but he does make more room for all the other WR and the RB's once they get past the LOS.

The guy dosen't have to be all world just fast and competent. It helps stretch everything and most Offensive coaches acknowledge all else being equal it's a big benefit.

I'd love to get help everywhere, OL, RB, Defense etc but I do think with more speed at RB and WR this OL would look a lot better than it does right now. We'll probably have 3 guys back next year, Big, Wells and Step, I think they'll be better with speed, just like Dallas' OL suddenly looks better because of Julius Jones.

 

[conraddobler]

I'd love to get help everywhere, OL, RB, Defense etc but I do think with more speed at RB and WR this OL would look a lot better than it does right now. We'll probably have 3 guys back next year, Big, Wells and Step, I think they'll be better with speed, just like Dallas' OL suddenly looks better because of Julius Jones.

I think for whatever reason the last 3 games or so the O line has mysteriously looked better.

John had time to throw.

A fast RB and WR to go with Boldin and Fitz is a nightmare.... NIGHTMARE for DC's. You throw in a TE that can catch and block and it's unfair.

Choose how you wish to die slow or fast and those types of offenses are the most fun to watch. You bring a guy down in the box to stop the run and you die really fast, drop back in coverage and the RB gashes you to death.

First you get a RB, a really good one quality speed back then the burner can be a bit of a project but solid lower round choice and finally you try to find a good solid but not necessarily impressive TE.

Throw in any competent QB and you are off to the races if the QB is really good you will be a top 5 offense.

Bledsoe would work and I don't really think he's all that but if he had time with those weapons he'd light it up like a xmas tree. That and he's not going to play more than a couple of years.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think for whatever reason the last 3 games or so the O line has mysteriously looked better.

John had time to throw.

A fast RB and WR to go with Boldin and Fitz is a nightmare.... NIGHTMARE for DC's. You throw in a TE that can catch and block and it's unfair.

Choose how you wish to die slow or fast and those types of offenses are the most fun to watch. You bring a guy down in the box to stop the run and you die really fast, drop back in coverage and the RB gashes you to death.

First you get a RB, a really good one quality speed back then the burner can be a bit of a project but solid lower round choice and finally you try to find a good solid but not necessarily impressive TE.

Throw in any competent QB and you are off to the races if the QB is really good you will be a top 5 offense.

Bledsoe would work and I don't really think he's all that but if he had time with those weapons he'd light it up like a xmas tree. That and he's not going to play more than a couple of years.

They'll never let him go but Jeb Putzier in Denver is an RFA and a kid I really like as a receiving TE, 24 catches, 16 YPC, deceptive speed. He dropped the pass that became the first INT on Sunday but overall he's been good, but supposedly Denver wants to lock him up longterm.

Having Crap and Putz on the same offense would be impressive too.

 

[Jersey Girl]

No more wide receivers for Pete's sake! (Or maybe one later in the draft.)
Find a QB who will get the ball to them and let's freaking play football. (Yes, I know that there have been some dropped balls and Quan is looking a little rusty, but, really, we need a quality QB.)

Running back ... YES! Let's get someone in there who can find the holes or at least make some. And then let's get a tight end. A GOOD tight end.

Ugh. Why do we always seem to have so many holes every year?

 

[Jetstream Green]

What DTs will be out there is round 2?

Bryant is shaping up to be a bust... and though he works his ass off-Russell Davis isn't the answer next to Dockett. Green likes the big program universities so are there any DTs from a major school that might be around that could fill the position in round 2. Davis would still be a great backup to have around...I say dump Bryant.

 

[Russ Smith]

Bryant is shaping up to be a bust... and though he works his ass off-Russell Davis isn't the answer next to Dockett. Green likes the big program universities so are there any DTs from a major school that might be around that could fill the position in round 2. Davis would still be a great backup to have around...I say dump Bryant.

Yes and no.

the top rated senior DT is probably Anttaj Hawthorne, 312 pounder, pure run stuffer not a pass rusher, seems a solid fit BUT, he plays at Wisconsin, where the previously mentioned Wendell Bryant starred in college. Sounds stupid but I bet we're scared to take another Badger that high.
Other seniors like Cody and Patterson of USC are too small.

Juniors Rodrique Wright is my #1 guy but i doubt he comes out, Texas kids stay in school. Haloti Ngata is the kid nfldraftblitz has next, 345 pounder from Oregon. Had a major knee injury last year and can't stay on the field this year, ESPN says he a soph I think he's really NFL eligible by age. He's had injury problems both years but he's a tremendous run stopper. everyone had him going to BYU out of HS because he's Mormon, his uncle apparently convinced him to go to oregon(father died Uncle took him in) and he claimed last year that he got death threats from BYU fans after he signed with Oregon. Unlikely he'll come out hasn't played enough although he's a huge guy with great upside if he can stay healthy say all the scouts.

Miam i has Orien Harris more of a Dockett size guy. FSU has Travis Johnson, same size as Dockett, legal problems, Kiper has him rated top 10 on his board now.

If Wright came out he'd be my pick but Texas kids just always seem to stay in school.

 

[Rivercard]

Davis would still be a great backup to have around...I say dump Bryant.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Green go after Hovan in FA.

 

[az jam]

I think that we do need a burner WR but with a 4th round or lower draft pick. Russ Smith in the past has come up with a pretty good list that could be available in the lower rounds.

 

[cdex99]

I don't think the routes they run are suited to their strengths. Boldin's best production came when he was running over the middle. The short passes to Fitz do absolutly nothing. Sure, he catches it but there's nothing after it. Over the top passes are his strength, where he can use his size.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If Wright came out he'd be my pick but Texas kids just always seem to stay in school.

i know there's a ton of cash to be made if they come out, but man, have you been to austin as a college-age kid? i wouldn't come out either...

 

[spanky1]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Green go after Hovan in FA.

My goodness......he's another 300 lb'er and is a penetrating DT (when performing optimaly).......plus his performance has really suffered over the last two years. We have this type of DT in spades already, plus when King comes back next year........WE NEED A RUN STUFFING DT.....AND THAT MEANS SOMEONE IN GOOD SHAPE WHO IS 320 LBS.

This player is not available in FA (unless Shaun Rogers is not re-signed or FA'd by Detroit. He is not available in rds. #2 or #3 either.

We are going to have to wait a year before being able to find this piece to the puzzle. We have other fish to fry.

 

[chickenhead]

I think focusing on a burner is just an invitation to constantly play from behind. Making the defense fear the run will do a lot more for Fitz and Boldin than fearing the deep ball will. The deep threat is great, but it won’t affect the defensive scheme for an entire game—especially with a deep threat who isn’t otherwise a top receiver.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think focusing on a burner is just an invitation to constantly play from behind. Making the defense fear the run will do a lot more for Fitz and Boldin than fearing the deep ball will. The deep threat is great, but it won’t affect the defensive scheme for an entire game—especially with a deep threat who isn’t otherwise a top receiver.

See Conrad's comments on KC and Eddie Kennison. They obviously have a better OL but if you add a speed WR that keeps safeties back, the run game will be better, especially if you have a RB with breakaway speed.

AS we saw in the Dallas/Seattle game, playing Safeties up as in short yardage has one MAJOR drawback, if the OL opens a hole and the RB hits it hard and has talent, you will see a lot of long runs. Teams do that to our run game all the time because they know none of our RB's have shown they hit the hole fast enough to burn that. That's how Hambrick had that long run, Scobey is the only guy we have fast enough to score on one of those but he doesn't see the hole well.


Put a guy like DeAngelo Williams in the same situation and sure he'll lose yardage on some runs, but he'll pop some 50+ TD runs too.

OFfense is all interconnected, if you have no speed threat teams simply don't worry about you throwing downfield.

 

[Duckjake]

think for whatever reason the last 3 games or so the O line has mysteriously looked better.

Didn't they have just one guy on the Oline that started at the same position they did last year?

The improvement could be that they are finally starting to get used to playing together.

Someone pointed out on another thread that the offense is very young. And I believe Davis and Shelton are signed long term.

Could be we see all 5 guys back starting again next year and don't need to address the starting line at all in the off season.

 

[Russ Smith]

think for whatever reason the last 3 games or so the O line has mysteriously looked better.

Didn't they have just one guy on the Oline that started at the same position they did last year?

The improvement could be that they are finally starting to get used to playing together.

Someone pointed out on another thread that the offense is very young. And I believe Davis and Shelton are signed long term.

Could be we see all 5 guys back starting again next year and don't need to address the starting line at all in the off season.

We absolutely have to make a move at RG, and I'm not convinced Shelton is a RT. He's ok there but I think he was better at LT and I get the impression Big is staying there. So I expect the whole right side to be replaced next year.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

You can have the best RB in the league and the fastest WR in the NFL. But if you do not have a line that can open holes for your RB or a guy who can throw to your great WR's, nothing will work. The Cards have to retool this line and get some sort of competent QB to make this offense work at all.

 

[chickenhead]

See Conrad's comments on KC and Eddie Kennison. They obviously have a better OL but if you add a speed WR that keeps safeties back, the run game will be better, especially if you have a RB with breakaway speed.

AS we saw in the Dallas/Seattle game, playing Safeties up as in short yardage has one MAJOR drawback, if the OL opens a hole and the RB hits it hard and has talent, you will see a lot of long runs. Teams do that to our run game all the time because they know none of our RB's have shown they hit the hole fast enough to burn that. That's how Hambrick had that long run, Scobey is the only guy we have fast enough to score on one of those but he doesn't see the hole well.


Put a guy like DeAngelo Williams in the same situation and sure he'll lose yardage on some runs, but he'll pop some 50+ TD runs too.

OFfense is all interconnected, if you have no speed threat teams simply don't worry about you throwing downfield.

"Interconnected" is exactly right - ideally we'll get both. I just think a RB is a more important component. I agree about the Chiefs as well, but they solved their run game first. I guess it all depends on who's available.

 

[Rocco]

We absolutely have to make a move at RG, and I'm not convinced Shelton is a RT. He's ok there but I think he was better at LT and I get the impression Big is staying there. So I expect the whole right side to be replaced next year.

Step has a ways to go as well. Wells just needs to improve his strength this offseason.

I agree about Shelton.

I'm thinking we might go after McKenzie of the Jets and Dixon of Minny will be a FA this year too. Dixon is 36 but he's still playing good ball and we may get both these guys at reasonable rates. Bridges has potential but needs more time to develop. Dixon would make a nice stopgap and could be the veteran 'tutor' we need inside.

Mckenzie is a nice run blocker - decent pass blocker.

 

[conraddobler]

"Interconnected" is exactly right - ideally we'll get both. I just think a RB is a more important component. I agree about the Chiefs as well, but they solved their run game first. I guess it all depends on who's available.

KC's offense rely's mostly on the run game to open up passing but it absolutely went to another level as soon as Kennison signed.

The running has to come first but the speed WR is the icing on the cake that makes it really go.

I don't know much about trades as in how they play out or values but I'd take a long look at Johnson from KC. He's got speed and power and is underutilized and disliked by DV.. There's value there I am just afraid that since Holmes is hurt the secret is going to get let out of the bag in a hurry.