Why Fitz?

[Southpaw]

Somebody, besides obviously heavily biased lecturer, please explain rationally why there is such a common preference for Fitzgerald in this heavily loaded Wide Receiver enriched draft year.

I, in my non subjective unemotional state of mind, cannot elevate Fitz to the top of the class. The competition seems too even all the way down through the 1st and 2nd rounds at this position.

I would be extrememly disappointed to find that the Card's brass would select him based on personal loyalty and affection if it would cost them quality need. This #3 pick is aching for trade down if there are any legitimate takers. The value of trading down in this deep draft, seems infinitely wiser for the building of this roster.

 

[BACH]

Somebody, besides obviously heavily biased lecturer, please explain rationally why there is such a common preference for Fitzgerald in this heavily loaded Wide Receiver enriched draft year.

I, in my non subjective unemotional state of mind, cannot elevate Fitz to the top of the class. The competition seems too even all the way down through the 1st and 2nd rounds at this position.

I would be extrememly disappointed to find that the Card's brass would select him based on personal loyalty and affection if it would cost them quality need. This #3 pick is aching for trade down if there are any legitimate takers. The value of trading down in this deep draft, seems infinitely wiser for the building of this roster.

I'm for trading down, but wouldn't be disappointed if we take Fitz.

Fitz is, along with Gallery, regarded as the two safest picks in the draft and top 3 talent. It's difficult to pass on that regardless of need and depth at the WR position.

 

[Shane]

Somebody, besides obviously heavily biased lecturer, please explain rationally why there is such a common preference for Fitzgerald in this heavily loaded Wide Receiver enriched draft year.

I, in my non subjective unemotional state of mind, cannot elevate Fitz to the top of the class. The competition seems too even all the way down through the 1st and 2nd rounds at this position.

I would be extrememly disappointed to find that the Card's brass would select him based on personal loyalty and affection if it would cost them quality need. This #3 pick is aching for trade down if there are any legitimate takers. The value of trading down in this deep draft, seems infinitely wiser for the building of this roster.

I agree completely! No to Fitz!

 

[azdad1978]

I say trade down to 7 and draft Wilfork.

 

[Shane]

I say trade down to 7 and draft Wilfork.

Nah!

5,6,or7 and take Taylor!

 

[Walter Mitchell]

Larry Fitzgerald is the most well prepared player in this draft...mentally and physically. Robert Gallery is a close second.

The other WRs are very talented, but they don't match Fitzgerald's combination of mental and physical toughness. The only one, IMO, who comes close is Michael Clayton of LSU. Mike Williams of USC is a special talent, but he's not going to exploit the middle of defenses very well for a couple of years until he matures. Roy Williams has all the physical gifts...but his head is not always in the game.

As for trading down for Wilfork...that, IMO, would be an egregious mistake. Miami had a real hard time stopping the run the last two years...and Wilfork was not the answer. He's just not a very productive player. He will dazzle you from time to time with his physical prowess, but he takes a lot of plays off and he shows little stamina. Plus, he's not a consistent pass rushing threat...which is disappointing for a player his size.

If the Cardinals were to trade down to #7 and they were thinking defensive line...the standout there is DE Kenechi Udeze of USC. This guy is the real deal. He's a flat-out warrior on the edge and a relentless pass rusher. He lacks ideal height, but actually uses his smaller size to his advantage to slip under, through and around the larger tackles.

DT Tommy Harris is an enigma. He showed up huge against lesser competition and was a non-factor in this year's biggest games...the Big 12 Championship and the Sugar Bowl. Harris is on the small side...but he's got excellent feet and good strength. Seems like a risk as a top ten pick.

This year's DT class is weak. The physical dynamos of the group...Wilfork, Tubbs, Washington, etc....were not consistent players at the college level which makes one wonder if they could possibly be at the pro level. The slighter, more lean DTs like Harris, Starks and Dockett were more productive in college but are they too small or slight to make a consistent impact in the NFL? I think they are all over-rated.

 

[WildBB]

Somebody, besides obviously heavily biased lecturer, please explain rationally why there is such a common preference for Fitzgerald in this heavily loaded Wide Receiver enriched draft year.

I, in my non subjective unemotional state of mind, cannot elevate Fitz to the top of the class. The competition seems too even all the way down through the 1st and 2nd rounds at this position.

I would be extrememly disappointed to find that the Card's brass would select him based on personal loyalty and affection if it would cost them quality need. This #3 pick is aching for trade down if there are any legitimate takers. The value of trading down in this deep draft, seems infinitely wiser for the building of this roster.

I agree. But they have him rated #1 overall. If he's there they're saying he's a perrenial Pro- Bowler.

I just wonder how all this plays out with Boldin- (He's not going to get the numbers, BUT they say he's all about winning though). But still, someone coming in stealing his spotlight, I think that in order to keep him they're going to have to throw similar $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
at him.

And this board is complaining about throwing high dollars to a #1 QB? Either way, high bucks are gonna be spent. I myself would rather see them go a different direction with the #1.

The best thing that might happen for us IS if Fitz is gone! It's gonna be interesting

 

[vikesfan]

-Because DG needs another WR to run the sets he likes.

-Because the WR you get in the top 5 is a safer pick then a WR later in the draft.

-Because Fitz is the best WR prospective since Moss.

-Because Fitz is polished productive fast (as we found out) athletic acrobatic dedicated.

-Because IF DG takes Fitz he was the BPA - to say DG would take someone out of friendship or loyalty is INSULTING TO DG. This is an attack on his professionalism. Would Parcells or Belicheck take someone out of friendship. That is just plain patronizing to suggest as well as being ludicrous.

-Every pick has issues people have even found some ludicrous points to attack Gallery on.
The point is DG will make the right move (I am not saying it will work out no guarantees in life!) taking Fitz (if he does) is perfectly intelligent and rational move. It is not like he is passing on Suggs to take Pace/Johnson.

-There are no guarantees in the draft but taking Fitz is a perfectly solid NFL draft move. In hindsight its easy to talk.

 

[Southpaw]

-Because DG needs another WR to run the sets he likes.

-Because the WR you get in the top 5 is a safer pick then a WR later in the draft.

-Because Fitz is the best WR prospective since Moss.

-Because Fitz is polished productive fast (as we found out) athletic acrobatic dedicated.

-Because IF DG takes Fitz he was the BPA - to say DG would take someone out of friendship or loyalty is INSULTING TO DG. This is an attack on his professionalism. Would Parcells or Belicheck take someone out of friendship. That is just plain patronizing to suggest as well as being ludicrous.

-Every pick has issues people have even found some ludicrous points to attack Gallery on.
The point is DG will make the right move (I am not saying it will work out no guarantees in life!) taking Fitz (if he does) is perfectly intelligent and rational move. It is not like he is passing on Suggs to take Pace/Johnson.

-There are no guarantees in the draft but taking Fitz is a perfectly solid NFL draft move. In hindsight its easy to talk.

The request was for unbiased and non subjective info. You have violated all parameters of the question. Disqualified response.

You predictably took this completely relevant question and reduced it to a lecture based on emotion.

INVALID RESPONSE!!!!!!.

 

[SECTION 11]

I still think the idea of taking Fitzgerald at #3 is just plain friggin stupid.

 

[azdad1978]

The request was for unbiased and non subjective info. You have violated all parameters of the question. Disqualified response.

You predictably took this completely relevant question and reduced it to a lecture based on emotion.

INVALID RESPONSE!!!!!!.

What did you expect? He has to put his man love reply somewhere!!!

 

[vikesfan]

Everything I said was factual.

 

[kerouac9]

Why Fitz?

The answer to this question (at least as his least-biased defender MCD has put it) always seems to be "because I like him." That's fine. Fitz seems to be a five-tool WR. He can go over the middle, he can run block, he can provide some threat (though not as big of one as Roy Williams) on the outside/up top, he can find the soft spots in zone coverages, he has great hands. That's somewhat convincing; I don't think that we'd be talking about the Rams offense if they hadn't drafted Torry Holt, the man who makes it all work.

I don't understand Walt's "He's the most ready to play" point. Hopefully, Anquan and Bryant are going to be holding down the spots on the outside. Like Randy Moss as a rookie, Fitz should be expected to be a sparkplug out of the slot. Is there any reason to expect that Roy Williams couldn't just as easily provide the same spark, only more explosive? This high in the draft, I don't think you're looking for someone that can help you the most this year. I know that San Diego won't be when they take Eli. I don't think that Oakland will when they take whomever. Nor New York when they take whomever they do. Drafting #3 overall, you're drafting someone whom you think will be an outstanding player for the next five to seven years.

Other than intangibles, I'm not sure what makes Fitz a better prospect than even Charles Rogers or Andre Johnson were last season.

 

[Southpaw]

The answer to this question (at least as his least-biased defender MCD has put it) always seems to be "because I like him." That's fine. Fitz seems to be a five-tool WR. He can go over the middle, he can run block, he can provide some threat (though not as big of one as Roy Williams) on the outside/up top, he can find the soft spots in zone coverages, he has great hands. That's somewhat convincing; I don't think that we'd be talking about the Rams offense if they hadn't drafted Torry Holt, the man who makes it all work.

I don't understand Walt's "He's the most ready to play" point. Hopefully, Anquan and Bryant are going to be holding down the spots on the outside. Like Randy Moss as a rookie, Fitz should be expected to be a sparkplug out of the slot. Is there any reason to expect that Roy Williams couldn't just as easily provide the same spark, only more explosive? This high in the draft, I don't think you're looking for someone that can help you the most this year. I know that San Diego won't be when they take Eli. I don't think that Oakland will when they take whomever. Nor New York when they take whomever they do. Drafting #3 overall, you're drafting someone whom you think will be an outstanding player for the next five to seven years.

Other than intangibles, I'm not sure what makes Fitz a better prospect than even Charles Rogers or Andre Johnson were last season.

See BB Vikes fan. This is a relevant, intelligent analysis, which is directed to the initial question. This response gets an A+.

 

[SECTION 11]

Everything I said was factual.

No. Actually NOTHING you said was factual. Not one bit of it. It was entirely subjective and all opinion. Do you even know what a fact is??

 

[Southpaw]

Everything I said was factual.

NOT FACTUAL!

Emotional response based on skewed perception gestated by an unhealthy affliction of hero worshipping at it's extremest level. Unable to seperate opinion from a fact. This will lead to a life of unfulfilled expectations predicated on others performance. Doomed for failure.

HANFDBB

 

[azdad1978]

Everything I said was factual.

Actually all you have said is DG homerism.

 

[vikesfan]

(FACT) Because DG needs another WR to run the sets he likes.

(FACT in terms of odds) Because the WR you get in the top 5 is a safer pick then a WR later in the draft.

(OPINION) Because Fitz is the best WR prospective since Moss.

(FACT) Because Fitz is polished productive fast (as we found out) athletic acrobatic dedicated.

(FACT) Because IF DG takes Fitz he was the BPA - (FACT) to say DG would take someone out of friendship or loyalty is INSULTING TO DG. This is an attack on his professionalism. Would Parcells or Belicheck take someone out of friendship. That is just plain patronizing to suggest as well as being ludicrous.

(FACT) Every pick has issues people have even found some ludicrous points to attack Gallery on.

(FACT) The point is DG will make the right move (I am not saying it will work out no guarantees in life!) taking Fitz (if he does) is perfectly intelligent and rational move. (FACT) It is not like he is passing on Suggs to take Pace/Johnson.

(FACT) There are no guarantees in the draft but taking Fitz is a perfectly solid NFL draft move. (FACT) In hindsight its easy to talk.



Okay so 1 thing was opinion the rest are facts.

 

[Southpaw]

VikeFan BB really can't differentiate between fact and opinion. Those are all opinions.

 

[slanidrac16]

Somebody, besides obviously heavily biased lecturer, please explain rationally why there is such a common preference for Fitzgerald in this heavily loaded Wide Receiver enriched draft year.

I, in my non subjective unemotional state of mind, cannot elevate Fitz to the top of the class. The competition seems too even all the way down through the 1st and 2nd rounds at this position.

I would be extrememly disappointed to find that the Card's brass would select him based on personal loyalty and affection if it would cost them quality need. This #3 pick is aching for trade down if there are any legitimate takers. The value of trading down in this deep draft, seems infinitely wiser for the building of this roster.

The selection of every player in the draft, every year since the conception on "the draft", is based on managements perception,speculation, opinion, and need. If everyone had the same opinion then a guy like Randy Moss would not have lasted until the 21st pick. Joe Montana would not have lasted until the 3rd round. Ryan Leaf would NEVER have been drafted.
Watch the highlights of Fitzgerald. There are times he is wide open, but more importantly the times when he is surrounded by an opponent(or 2!) he gets himself in position, one way or another, gets his hands on the ball and comes down with it.
If we all knew for a fact that Fitz was going to turn out to be the next Randy Moss,(with a good attitude), I don't believe anybody would mind us taking him at #3, no matter how the 2004 draft turns out.
And will anybody remember or care what the "right thing to do" was if we pass on Fitzgerald and he becomes the next Jerry Rice? I highly doubt it. In fact all the naysayers will be all over this team for not selecting him when we had the chance.
So why Fitzgerald ? Because Denny Green thinks so. Thats good enough for me.

 

[Lex]

Why is there such a common preference for Fitz?

Because that's what Denny's been selling. Since the day Denny signed on here, he's been INFERRING that he thinks Fitz is the BPA in the entire draft.
Then he said we'll take the best player available, when our turn comes up.
Then he announced Quan was moving to split end.
Now everyone thinks they know what Denny will do.
We'll see.

I think Fitz is the most ready for the NFL, due to the tutoring he got as a teen, but really, if Denny wasn't here, would we even consider another wideout after using #1 and #2 last year on the position? I think not.

The only way we could screw up this draft, with all the talent that will be available at #3, is if we trade down.

 

[kerouac9]

Why is there such a common preference for Fitz?

Because that's what Denny's been selling. Since the day Denny signed on here, he's been INFERRING that he thinks Fitz is the BPA in the entire draft.
Then he said we'll take the best player available, when our turn comes up.
Then he announced Quan was moving to split end.
Now everyone thinks they know what Denny will do.
We'll see.

I think Fitz is the most ready for the NFL, due to the tutoring he got as a teen, but really, if Denny wasn't here, would we even consider another wideout after using #1 and #2 last year on the position? I think not.

The only way we could screw up this draft, with all the talent that will be available at #3, is if we trade down.

Lex and I have had our differences, but this is a solid, solid post.

 

[vikesfan]

The selection of every player in the draft, every year since the conception on "the draft", is based on managements perception,speculation, opinion, and need. If everyone had the same opinion then a guy like Randy Moss would not have lasted until the 21st pick. Joe Montana would not have lasted until the 3rd round. Ryan Leaf would NEVER have been drafted.
Watch the highlights of Fitzgerald. There are times he is wide open, but more importantly the times when he is surrounded by an opponent(or 2!) he gets himself in position, one way or another, gets his hands on the ball and comes down with it.
If we all knew for a fact that Fitz was going to turn out to be the next Randy Moss,(with a good attitude), I don't believe anybody would mind us taking him at #3, no matter how the 2004 draft turns out.
And will anybody remember or care what the "right thing to do" was if we pass on Fitzgerald and he becomes the next Jerry Rice? I highly doubt it. In fact all the naysayers will be all over this team for not selecting him when we had the chance.
So why Fitzgerald ? Because Denny Green thinks so. Thats good enough for me.

And if he busts it's not like he was a reach at that spot or unreasonable choice. It makes perfect sense to take him. Where are the red flags saying don't take him? Where are the professionals saying he is not worthy. Some people want need adressed more then BPA. Others want the defense addressed not offense. Others want a position addressed. That is fine if you were GM take your guy, but to say Fitz was not a legitimate choice at #3 (without hindsight) is ludicrous. He is a legit choice so is Taylor Winslow Gallery Eli/Ben.

 

[kerouac9]

...but to say Fitz was not a legitimate choice at #3 (without hindsight) is ludicrous.

That's something. Say that Fitz isn't drafted by the Cards at #3 overall. Where does he fall to? Jacksonville? Do the Giants drop everything (QB, Gallery, what-have-you) and take him? The Browns? Maybe the Falcons?

Fitz is a "legitimate choice" at #3 because Denny Green keeps insisting he is. I think that he's a legitmate Top 10 choice, but I'm still unconvinced of what he brings to the table that Roy Williams or even Reggie Williams doesn't.

 

[Southpaw]

That's something. Say that Fitz isn't drafted by the Cards at #3 overall. Where does he fall to? Jacksonville? Do the Giants drop everything (QB, Gallery, what-have-you) and take him? The Browns? Maybe the Falcons?

Fitz is a "legitimate choice" at #3 because Denny Green keeps insisting he is. I think that he's a legitmate Top 10 choice, but I'm still unconvinced of what he brings to the table that Roy Williams or even Reggie Williams doesn't.

You said it a whole lot better than me and I started then thread. That is actually my question. I have only heard rumors about Oakland and Phoenix wanting him this high. Thanks for making my point.