Why I hope we don't hire Martz

[Russ Smith]

SF leads the Lions 19-13, 2:30 minutes left, Detroit has 2 To's, 4th and 13 Detroit on about the 25 yard line and instead of kicking the FG to make it a 3 point game, Detroit goes on 4th down and throws an INT. Now I know Marinelli not Martz is the HC but I would wager money that Martz is the one who said let's go for it. If they make the FG, they have 2 timeouts plus the 2 minute warning. INstead they get picked, SF runs out the clock, game over.

 

[devilfan02]

Martz is a cowboy, thats all there is to it. Everything he does is an attempt to prove people wrong. I don't get him, he's a horrible HC candidate

 

[PACardsFan]

Martz is a cowboy, thats all there is to it. Everything he does is an attempt to prove people wrong. I don't get him, he's a horrible HC candidate

Martz would be a godsend compared to what we have now!!

 

[Russ Smith]

Martz would be a godsend compared to what we have now!!

I'd take him as OC if you have a STRONG HC who isn't afraid to overrule him. Martz is creative for sure, but he's reckless. They should have kicked the FG today.

 

[Renz]

SF leads the Lions 19-13, 2:30 minutes left, Detroit has 2 To's, 4th and 13 Detroit on about the 25 yard line and instead of kicking the FG to make it a 3 point game, Detroit goes on 4th down and throws an INT. Now I know Marinelli not Martz is the HC but I would wager money that Martz is the one who said let's go for it. If they make the FG, they have 2 timeouts plus the 2 minute warning. INstead they get picked, SF runs out the clock, game over.

Come on, Russ. I'm no Martz fan, but that call is 100% on Marinelli. If Martz talked Marinelli into it, then shame on him.

 

[Russ Smith]

Come on, Russ. I'm no Martz fan, but that call is 100% on Marinelli. If Martz talked Marinelli into it, then shame on him.

I said I know Rod is the HC but I sure doubt it was his idea to go for it although he clearly had to OK it.

 

[MT9erFan]

SF leads the Lions 19-13, 2:30 minutes left, Detroit has 2 To's, 4th and 13 Detroit on about the 25 yard line and instead of kicking the FG to make it a 3 point game, Detroit goes on 4th down and throws an INT. Now I know Marinelli not Martz is the HC but I would wager money that Martz is the one who said let's go for it. If they make the FG, they have 2 timeouts plus the 2 minute warning. INstead they get picked, SF runs out the clock, game over.

Hey we got two in a row now and are in 2nd place for the NFCW; defense allows 8 pts per game in the last two games. Things are looking up for anyone who isn't a cardinal fan. I really want sMartz back coaching in this division for anyone but the 49ers. He would look good in cardinal red.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Martz = No thanks ...

 

[dreamcastrocks]

SF leads the Lions 19-13, 2:30 minutes left, Detroit has 2 To's, 4th and 13 Detroit on about the 25 yard line and instead of kicking the FG to make it a 3 point game, Detroit goes on 4th down and throws an INT. Now I know Marinelli not Martz is the HC but I would wager money that Martz is the one who said let's go for it. If they make the FG, they have 2 timeouts plus the 2 minute warning. INstead they get picked, SF runs out the clock, game over.

Would you rather Denny Green trying punting it away from the 25 yard line. Or running it on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd down to make it 4th and 13?

 

[PDXChris]

I do not want any formed head coach. I want a up and comer. Ron Rivrea is my number on choice, unless we could land Pete Carroll, he would be my only exception to the former coach rule.

 

[Russ Smith]

Would you rather Denny Green trying punting it away from the 25 yard line. Or running it on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd down to make it 4th and 13?

I don't want either one of them to answer your question.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I don't want either one of them to answer your question.

Neither would I, but compared to our current offense, we could use a whole lot of creativity.

 

[Russ Smith]

Neither would I, but compared to our current offense, we could use a whole lot of creativity.

Martz is a good OC if he has a strong coach to reign him in at the right times, apparently we want to make him HC.

I fear that.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Martz is a good OC if he has a strong coach to reign him in at the right times, apparently we want to make him HC.

I fear that.

I hear ya. I feel that we are picking the lesser of two evils here. At this point, Martz is less evil than Green.

 

[DCCardsFan]

SF leads the Lions 19-13, 2:30 minutes left, Detroit has 2 To's, 4th and 13 Detroit on about the 25 yard line and instead of kicking the FG to make it a 3 point game, Detroit goes on 4th down and throws an INT. Now I know Marinelli not Martz is the HC but I would wager money that Martz is the one who said let's go for it. If they make the FG, they have 2 timeouts plus the 2 minute warning. INstead they get picked, SF runs out the clock, game over.

"SF runs out the clock, game over"

And that is why it's hard for me to second-guess the call. Sure, fourth and 13 is low percentage, but you make it, and you can win the game outright.

If you don't get it, you still MIGHT get the ball back and have a chance to score a TD.

The REAL PROBLEM is not Martz, but this:

3-4-SF32 (2:20) (Shotgun) A.Smith pass short right to A.Battle to SF 39 for 7 yards (K.Kennedy).

You kick the field goal, and you have to stop the 49ers from getting a first down, which they just proved they couldn't do. Then you have to get ANOTHER field goal just to tie.

Congrats on 20,000 posts. You must be very proud.

 

[Russ Smith]

"SF runs out the clock, game over"

And that is why it's hard for me to second-guess the call. Sure, fourth and 13 is low percentage, but you make it, and you can win the game outright.

If you don't get it, you still MIGHT get the ball back and have a chance to score a TD.

The REAL PROBLEM is not Martz, but this:

3-4-SF32 (2:20) (Shotgun) A.Smith pass short right to A.Battle to SF 39 for 7 yards (K.Kennedy).

You kick the field goal, and you have to stop the 49ers from getting a first down, which they just proved they couldn't do. Then you have to get ANOTHER field goal just to tie.

Congrats on 20,000 posts. You must be very proud.

Well DC I'm not a psychic but I'm guessing the fact that they threw the INT might have changed the outcome a bit? Like maybe the defense is a bit more energized if they know it's a 3 point game and they have 3 chances to stop the ball instead of it's a 6 point game and even if we manage to hold them we have to drive the whole field for a TD with no timeouts(after they use them).

FWIW, they asked Nolan about it after the game and he said they weren't surprised the Lions went for it knowing Martz' reputation as a gambler.

It was 4th and 13, the odds are very much against you pulling that off, 99% of the coaches in the NFL there kick the FG and try to get the ball back. Why Marinelli and Martz didn't is something only they know.

Welcome back, I guess you got tired of the denver board now that they all agree Jake is terrible?

 

[DCCardsFan]

Well DC I'm not a psychic but I'm guessing the fact that they threw the INT might have changed the outcome a bit? Like maybe the defense is a bit more energized if they know it's a 3 point game and they have 3 chances to stop the ball instead of it's a 6 point game and even if we manage to hold them we have to drive the whole field for a TD with no timeouts(after they use them).

FWIW, they asked Nolan about it after the game and he said they weren't surprised the Lions went for it knowing Martz' reputation as a gambler.

It was 4th and 13, the odds are very much against you pulling that off, 99% of the coaches in the NFL there kick the FG and try to get the ball back. Why Marinelli and Martz didn't is something only they know.

OK, so because they were down 6 instead of 3, they just quit, and that's why they gave up the first down? HAHAHAHAHA. Players might quit down two possessions, but not down one possession. They tried their best, and just couldn't stop SF from getting a first down. End of story.

Either way, if the were able to stop the 9ers from getting the first down, they would've gotten the ball back with about 1:52 left on the clock (unless they forced an incompletion on 3rd down, in which case they would've gotten it back with about 2:10 left and the two-minute warning). With a 40 yard net punt (assuming they gave up only 6 yards in three plays), they would be on their own 30. That's more than enough time to engineer a TD drive. Sure, it's not as easy as getting in field goal range, but kicking the field goal forecloses your ability to make the 4th and 13 (which they probably would convert in the 4th quarter, when the defense is tired, around a third of the time).

Welcome back, I guess you got tired of the denver board now that they all agree Jake is terrible?

Very funny. I was never a "Jake fan" rather than a Cardinals fan, as you have so often accused me of, I just recognized that he wasn't THE problem here. Something you never quite picked up on.

I don't see enough games to really make an informed decision about Jake in Denver, but the ones I have watched, he has looked bad. Nonetheless, he has a pretty good QB rating and winning percentage since he signed there.

All I ever said is that he wasn't the reason we were losing, and his low QB rating had a lot to do with his teammates and the situations he was in.

You, on the other hand, said he was what was holding us back. Changed your mind at all? If there's one thing you are, it's consistent, so I'm sure you haven't changed your mind. It's all right, player personnel evaluation has never been your forte. Finding a player's 2nd quarter QB rating when his team is behind? There's no man I'd go to before you.

Need I dredge up the "Jeff Blake will take us to the playoffs" posts?

 

[Russ Smith]

OK, so because they were down 6 instead of 3, they just quit, and that's why they gave up the first down? HAHAHAHAHA. Players might quit down two possessions, but not down one possession. They tried their best, and just couldn't stop SF from getting a first down. End of story.



Very funny. I was never a "Jake fan" rather than a Cardinals fan, as you have so often accused me of, I just recognized that he wasn't THE problem here. Something you never quite picked up on.

I don't see enough games to really make an informed decision about Jake in Denver, but the ones I have watched, he has looked bad. Nonetheless, he has a pretty good QB rating and winning percentage since he signed there.

All I ever said is that he wasn't the reason we were losing, and his low QB rating had a lot to do with his teammates and the situations he was in.

You, on the other hand, said he was what was holding us back. Changed your mind at all? If there's one thing you are, it's consistent, so I'm sure you haven't changed your mind. It's all right, player personnel evaluation has never been your forte. Finding a player's 2nd quarter QB rating when his team is behind? There's no man I'd go to before you.

Need I dredge up the "Jeff Blake will take us to the playoffs" posts?

hey it's a judgement call that a coach has to make but I'd be quite surprised if the odds of making a 4th and 13 with that little time left is really 33%. If it was a lot more coaches would do it, they do pay attention to such stats you know. The odds say kick the FG there and try to get the ball back. Who knows if they still fail to stop SF if they're 3 points down. For example you're not even considering the possibility they can onside kick at that point, when you throw an INT you don't even have the chance to do that.


What I said and continue to say is you can't win when you turn the ball over too much, unless you have a VERY good defense like Denver does playing against the worst offense in the NFL (the raiders not us).

Ask leinart, he said himself he blew the game with his 2 picks. He's a rookie QB and he fully understands the value of protecting the ball, he'll get better. Now when a guy who has 9 1/2 seasons under his belt as an NFL QB is still making the dumb mistakes, that's a problem with the player, not the team around him.

As for your attempting to bait me into another debate, forget it, you're on ignore after this post.

 

[DCCardsFan]

The odds say kick the FG there and try to get the ball back.

You say this as though it's fact. You might be right, but I thought that it was a close call, and unlike you, my entire life is not based on second-guessing people more successful than myself. Perhaps that is why I don't have the time to post 20,000 times.

Who knows if they still fail to stop SF if they're 3 points down. For example you're not even considering the possibility they can onside kick at that point, when you throw an INT you don't even have the chance to do that.

Wow. There's one thing I know - if they do kick the field goal, and are down three with 2:40 to play and 2 TOs, they HAVE to kick deep. That really WOULD have been a poor decision had they done that.

What I said and continue to say is you can't win when you turn the ball over too much, unless you have a VERY good defense like Denver does playing against the worst offense in the NFL (the raiders not us).

Ask leinart, he said himself he blew the game with his 2 picks. He's a rookie QB and he fully understands the value of protecting the ball, he'll get better. Now when a guy who has 9 1/2 seasons under his belt as an NFL QB is still making the dumb mistakes, that's a problem with the player, not the team around him.

As for your attempting to bait me into another debate, forget it, you're on ignore after this post.

Whatever. What Leinart understands is that a QB needs to take responsibility and put the blame on himself. It is rule #1 of being a leader. He has shown a lot to me, and I think he has the head to be a real good QB. I just worry that people like yourself will turn on him. After Denny Green is gone, who is the next scapegoat for you, Russ?

If we keep losing, Leinart will throw a lot of picks and have a bad QB rating. And I will understand that it's not necessarily on him. I really hope he keeps his confidence - it is VERY hard for a rookie QB to take over and get a good grasp on the playbook - especially when you missing a good part of training camp.

We all know your debating skills are as bad as your player personnel evaluation skills. The Cardinals need to pick up Drew Henson! LOL. Ignore what you can't understand. I'm OK with that.