Why only call Amare out?

[TheKid_1]

Why are we just calling Amare out? CALL THE WHOLE TEAM OUT! Let's be honest, management has given the Amare-Nash "core" several opportunities. It began with JJ, Q, and Shawn. That didn't work. That was obviously our best shot, but you can't make someone stay that doesn't want to be there (JJ). Then we lose amare for the year and I don't blame anyone for that season. The next year we took our chances with Diaw and Bell with Amare back and that didn't work. Then last year we make the trade for Shaq and we get bounced in the first round. Now, here we are. We make the trade for J-Rich and we are left wondering what the front office can do now. I have never been a blow-it-up guy, but I think the point has come. Nash needs to go. He has had all the chances in the world with this team and it just isn't working. His offensive game is still great, but his inept ability to play D almost neutralizes that. The suns need to go another direction. Make a deal involving nash and build around Amare and J-Rich. Shaq probably has 1 or 2 solid years left and if we can hold onto him, we are still with a nice core of Amare, J-Rich, and Shaq. The nash-era is over.

 

[arwillan]

We know nash doesn't play defense and is clearly on the decline, but so does the rest of the league. He isn't going to yield all that much at this point. It would really only make sense for him to go to a contender, but what contender wants him and could get him?

 

[Bayless2Budinger]

Because Amare and Barbosa are scapegoat 1A and 1B while Shaq and Nash are heroes 1A and 1B....

Oops I forget Admunson who has made Amare expendable.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Amare deserves being called out because he is clearly loafing on the court. Amare deserves to be called out because he is regarded as a cornerstone player, yet he fails to play like one. Amare deserves to be called out because of the annual verbal hand jobs he gives to Suns fans about how he worked on this and improved on that during the offseason in his personal quest to be the greatest player in the league. Amare deserves to be called out because he hasnt' improved since his third season. Amare deserves to be called out because he gets owned on a nightly basis by bench and rookie PFs.

Does that clear it up for you?

Bringing Nash into this is a red herring because he is playing above his ceiling as a player and he gives a tireless effort when he is on the court. Nash is STILL one of the top 3-5 PGs in the league at this point whereas Amare is in all reality maybe 15th to 20th, yet he yaps like he's number 1.

To Amare, step the f*ck up or get the f*ck out!!!!

 

[TheKid_1]

Amare deserves being called out because he is clearly loafing on the court. Amare deserves to be called out because he is regarded as a cornerstone player, yet he fails to play like one. Amare deserves to be called out because of the annual verbal hand jobs he gives to Suns fans about how he worked on this and improved on that during the offseason in his personal quest to be the greatest player in the league. Amare deserves to be called out because he hasnt' improved since his third season. Amare deserves to be called out because he gets owned on a nightly basis by bench and rookie PFs.

Does that clear it up for you?

Bringing Nash into this is a red herring because he is playing above his ceiling as a player and he gives a tireless effort when he is on the court. Nash is STILL one of the top 3-5 PGs in the league at this point whereas Amare is in all reality maybe 15th to 20th, yet he yaps like he's number 1.

To Amare, step the f*ck up or get the f*ck out!!!!

I'm not saying Amare doesn't deserve to be called out. I'm just asking why he is the only one being called out? A few people were calling out LB for a little while, but it seems like Nash is the untouchable angel of the team. He is at least as equally responsible for this team being where it is as Amare is. If Nash was younger I'd be saying we should trade Amare and keep nash. But he's not and what we are doing right now is clearly not working. WE NEED MAJOR CHANGE.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

The point is that Nash is STILL top 3-5 for his position, so you ain't gonna get much better by moving him. Amare is realistically a middle-of-the-road wannabe superstar. The only chance the Suns have is if the different teams around the league don't realize how terribly lazy he is and we can still get value for him. Seeing as every team seems to attack at Amare because he is such a weak suck defender, chances are that everyone around the league knows how crappy he is, so we may be stuck with him....

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm not saying Amare doesn't deserve to be called out. I'm just asking why he is the only one being called out? A few people were calling out LB for a little while, but it seems like Nash is the untouchable angel of the team. He is at least as equally responsible for this team being where it is as Amare is. If Nash was younger I'd be saying we should trade Amare and keep nash. But he's not and what we are doing right now is clearly not working. WE NEED MAJOR CHANGE.

I think everyone's in general agreement that Nash isn't what he was. I also think Amare's mouth and his just laughable inability to back up what he's saying brings the criticism to him, just like it did Marion.

 

[Bayless2Budinger]

Amare is in all reality maybe 15th to 20th, yet he yaps like he's number 1.

To Amare, step the f*ck up or get the f*ck out!!!!

Can you list the power forwards that are better than AMare plz.

 

[green machine]

Amare deserves being called out because he is clearly loafing on the court. Amare deserves to be called out because he is regarded as a cornerstone player, yet he fails to play like one. Amare deserves to be called out because of the annual verbal hand jobs he gives to Suns fans about how he worked on this and improved on that during the offseason in his personal quest to be the greatest player in the league. Amare deserves to be called out because he hasnt' improved since his third season. Amare deserves to be called out because he gets owned on a nightly basis by bench and rookie PFs.

Does that clear it up for you?

Bringing Nash into this is a red herring because he is playing above his ceiling as a player and he gives a tireless effort when he is on the court. Nash is STILL one of the top 3-5 PGs in the league at this point whereas Amare is in all reality maybe 15th to 20th, yet he yaps like he's number 1.

To Amare, step the f*ck up or get the f*ck out!!!!

Thing is, everyone is willing to overlook a guy like Nash's deficiencies, but is quick to point out Amare's.

Yeah, Amare isn't happy about the offense. Remember who the first one to complain was? Nash.

Know who has the ball and leads the team in turnovers? Nash.

I'm not saying either deserves to be called out, per say, but the Amare bashing is ridiculous.

 

[Wonder]

This team right now looks like a 2nd round exit. But it's a month from all-star break.

If they want to get any further I think part of it relies more on Amare than other players. Shaq's health and Amare's aggressiveness will determine any chance of getting to the Finals. But I'm sure we all know by now that Amare, usually, performs even better in the playoffs.

I think there's still a long way to go and I disagree with trading Amare. As Bayless said, list the power forwards better than him. I think someone once said they'd take David West over Amare, that's just sad.

 

[cly2tw]

Amare deserves being called out because he is clearly loafing on the court. Amare deserves to be called out because he is regarded as a cornerstone player, yet he fails to play like one.

To Amare, step the f*ck up or get the f*ck out!!!!

Well, here you have the problem. He is regarded as, but had not been given chances to work into, a cornerstone player. He can't just become all of a sudden like LBJ or Kobe, or even Shaq or Nash in their old days, to lead the team when he has never been given the chance to lead so far in his career. Leaders don't grow on trees like bananas do, they need experiences and failures in that role to become one.

Judging from the first 3 years of Al Jefferson in this league, you'd think he'd be average at best with the amount of failures he accumulated. The difference was that his team sucked anyway so that it didn't matter.

This team right now looks like a 2nd round exit. But it's a month from all-star break.

If they want to get any further I think part of it relies more on Amare than other players. Shaq's health and Amare's aggressiveness will determine any chance of getting to the Finals. But I'm sure we all know by now that Amare, usually, performs even better in the playoffs.

I think there's still a long way to go and I disagree with trading Amare. As Bayless said, list the power forwards better than him. I think someone once said they'd take David West over Amare, that's just sad.

Agree. Amare will be the key in the playoffs. Shaq seems to be a well known constant on the roster now. Yet, Amare is mostly used as gap filler and facilitator so far in the season, and over his career. Every year with DA besides his injury year, we had to rely on Amare to do much more than he was used for in regular season to be even competitive with Spurs, a time when Nash is absolutely neutralized for the team's offense to be any good relying on him as in regular season. But how good can you be to improvize on what you are not used to?

I'd give Amare a quota of 4 TOs a game before going away from him. Let him learn through failures!

And Amare for West would immediately bring NO a championship this year.

 

[Mirth]

Amare deserves being called out because he is clearly loafing on the court. Amare deserves to be called out because he is regarded as a cornerstone player, yet he fails to play like one. Amare deserves to be called out because of the annual verbal hand jobs he gives to Suns fans about how he worked on this and improved on that during the offseason in his personal quest to be the greatest player in the league. Amare deserves to be called out because he hasnt' improved since his third season. Amare deserves to be called out because he gets owned on a nightly basis by bench and rookie PFs.

Does that clear it up for you?

...whereas Amare is in all reality maybe 15th to 20th, yet he yaps like he's number 1.

To Amare, step the f*ck up or get the f*ck out!!!!

OMFG, hilarious but true.

 

[Ryanwb]

Can you list the power forwards that are better than AMare plz.

Duncan
Bosh
Garnett
Boozer
Nowtizski
Gasol

 

[Bayless2Budinger]

Duncan
Bosh
Garnett
Boozer
Nowtizski
Gasol

Boozer? Because he can rebound better than Amare? Even though his defense is 10x worse? Even though Amare is the better scorer,passer?

Gasol? Even though his defense is worse and his rebounding is nothing to brag about? His passing is better but scoring wise Amare is better.

Garnett/Duncan/Dirk I'm fine with. I'm even fine with Bosh although I dont agree.

The grass is always greener on the other side I guess.

Still waiting for a response from the poster that said Amare was the 15th-20th best power forward.

 

[AfroSuns]

It is a no brainer that Amare is not playing to his full potential but all this post about calling him out and talk about trading him is ridiculous, if you can find a trade that is worth it, great, but only a handful are better than him at his position.
we are losing our game by small margins, maybe our HC is being out-coached, ever thought of that?

 

[arwillan]

Boozer? Because he can rebound better than Amare? Even though his defense is 10x worse? Even though Amare is the better scorer,passer?

Gasol? Even though his defense is worse and his rebounding is nothing to brag about? His passing is better but scoring wise Amare is better.

Garnett/Duncan/Dirk I'm fine with. I'm even fine with Bosh although I dont agree.

The grass is always greener on the other side I guess.

Still waiting for a response from the poster that said Amare was the 15th-20th best power forward.

i don't think anyone said that.

 

[Bayless2Budinger]

i don't think anyone said that.

Nash is STILL one of the top 3-5 PGs in the league at this point whereas Amare is in all reality maybe 15th to 20th, yet he yaps like he's number 1.

 

[cly2tw]

Duncan
Bosh
Garnett
Boozer
Nowtizski
Gasol

Duncan, Bosh, Garnett are better. But I'd not trade Amare for any other PF straight up.

 

[Bert]

Can you list the power forwards that are better than AMare plz.

You are wasting your time, Amare is the resident whipping boy of this board. Not everyone, but seriously, some of these guys HATE him.

Even though he's vastly misused in our system and Terry Porter seems to think that the offense should be run through Shaq, the dude that cant jump, cant score, and cant shoot freethrows.

Amare has his shortcomings forsure, but he's not to blame for all the Suns problems as some would have you believe.

Amare is one of the best finishers in the league yet every game in the final minutes when we need points we're forced to watch Nash dribble the ball around for 20 seconds and then either kick it out to someone for 3 or throw up a garbage shot.

Love Steve, but he's lost more than a step. I wanna see this offense be run through Amare, and see him utilized the right way, if he fails then I'll light him up but it seems like you guys just love to hate him.

When was the last time the final shot went down low to Amare and they said, there go win the game? I've not seen it all year, it's always someone else. He's not playing like a superstar because Porter doesn't treat him like one.

But that's just my opinion. *Peace

 

[SirStefan32]

When was the last time the final shot went down low to Amare and they said, there go win the game? I've not seen it all year, it's always someone else. He's not playing like a superstar because Porter doesn't treat him like one.

He was given the basketball three times against Duncan who had five fouls on three consecutive possessions at the end of the game. Didn't get a single point out of three opportunities going up against the guy with five fouls.

 

[jagu]

I like Amare, I think he can be a superstar in the league. Does he want to be? Or does he already think he has everything solved? The question is will he ever be the man? He has the ability to be a go to guy. When your team is losing momentum, does he call for the ball down low or steps into the spotlight? I don't see it. He's there as another player, standing around top of the key. I might get burned on the boards for saying this, and its not just that I'm saying it because he is some kind of ASFN "whipping boy." It's the truth. Anyone who watches these games can tell you that.

I wouldn't trade him for another PF in the league because he's offensively going to give you pretty good numbers at that position. I hope he gets more aggressive. Would I trade him? Maybe, but I want a whole lot in return. Another legit star. You know your game isn't going well when your an All-Star PF and most of the Suns fans turn on you. There has to be something wrong in this picture and you can't just blame the fans.

 

[jagu]

The Amare play on Chauncey Billups still makes me laugh. High pick and roll on Nash, Amare comes to cover Billups and then for some odd reason goes way to the right and Billups goes right around him. I smacked myself in the head when I saw that play. If Robin Lopez did that I'd say ok. This is a guy whose been in the league for many years now and cannot defend a pick and roll.

 

[Bert]

The Amare play on Chauncey Billups still makes me laugh. High pick and roll on Nash, Amare comes to cover Billups and then for some odd reason goes way to the right and Billups goes right around him. I smacked myself in the head when I saw that play. If Robin Lopez did that I'd say ok. This is a guy whose been in the league for many years now and cannot defend a pick and roll.

It's simple, he shoulda gone to college.

Seriously, how much better fundamentally would Amare be if he'd have played atleast 2 years of college ball?

Ofcourse it didn't help that his bad defensive habits were then encouraged even more by the 7 seconds or less (and even less defense) philosophy.

You guys are right in a lot of ways about Amare, I dont mean to act like you dont know because you guys are smart basketball fans. It's just when I see people talking about rediculous trades for Amare it seems more like pure hate than smart basketball. I really think if he got the right coach and (like you said Jagu) had a better attitude, he could still be one of the best in the league. You really wanna give up on him?

 

[AceP]

Every team wants to improve, so they trade, and trade is business. Business is business, dont get personal.

R we wanting to trade to improve? I'd say no before the previous 2 ugly losses. But now, there might be some serious possibility.

Sometimes the GM will gamble on one player and build the whole team around him. Sometimes they'll do it strickly team wise. Is Amare the untradable franchise player? I don't know, but if we have to make a choice right now, I'd keep Nash.

Due to Amare's recent performance, can u say we r happy about it? ... If not, he's sure to be linked with trade rumors. Live with it.