Why T. Jones wasn't traded

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Originally posted by ChiCard
I printed the entire article because as I suspected, you did indeed have ulterior motives in the phraseology of your post.
And just exactly what "ulterior motive" was it I supposedly had here Mr. Mind Reader?
I had no "ulterior motives" as such, at least certainly not in any way you seem to insinuate. As I said, once I saw the specific quote, (and I'm assuming it is the one...since it was YOU who responded and not Ed.), I then knew exactly what quote Ed had referred to in his comment saying :

Originally posted by Ed B
Graves stated "he will be traded or released", Tango. Keeping him is not an option in their plans.

I saw that it was indeed the very quote we had already had a fairly lengthly discussion about. I hadn't heard any other, and that's why I originally asked Ed, thinking MAYBE I had missed another one. That's all. No secret plot to discredit Ed ....or You.....
As it turns out Ed did NOT verbatum repeat the quote. He had repeated it with HIS interpretation. Like I said, we all do that sometimes.

The trouble with your statement however, is like most comments you make, you took the quote out of context to give it your spin.

Chicard, that statement has sooooo little accuracy to it, its amazing. Simply amazing.
The thing that prompted your question was a statement that we were either going to trade or cut Jones. You conveniently left off the sentence that preceeded the quote and of course modifies it, to wit:

"The Cardinals failed in their efforts to trade disgruntled running back Thomas Jones, refusing to accept deals for late-round picks."

No Chicard, what promted my comment was Ed's post, addressed to me specifically, that I just posted above.
And my point all along being....I don't think the Cards appear to be in any hurry to just give TJ away for "nothing". I think that Jason most likely gave the best and most likely interpretation of the first part of Graves statement. And THAT combined with what myself and a few others have posted in regard to Graves not wanting to give TJ away for nothing would also explain the rest of the incidents reported.


Now when read in that light, an active attempt to get rid of the guy, it's obvious that since they couldn't get what they wanted in return, they weren't going to achieve their goal via a trade. The writer of the article felt it important enough to proceed not by narrative, but through illiterating the speakers actual words so as to stress the importance of what was to follow namely that they'd cut the guy before "giving" him away.

Now the point was whether or not the Cards have decided to part company with Jones. Next time you insist upon seeing things "in black & white", we can have a more meaningful dialogue if you don't redact the article to fit your opinion. Who was it that said "it does indeed pay to be as meticulous as possible"?

Talk about "spin". It would appear to me that with these last 2 paragraphs you are simply trying to overwhelm me ..or others...with a flurry of courtroom legalspeak. But unlike you, I don't know that for sure. I'm only making an edumacated guess.
....anyway none of it , to me anyway, is very successful.
Better luck next time.
In spite of continued accusations and jabs on your part to the contrary, I am not, nor have been , attempting to do anything more than discuss some football opinions.
 

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Isn't cutting him basically giving him away?I don't undertsand the logic but i haven't understood any of Graves' logic(is that an oxymoron?) up to this point.I'm willing to bet anyone come opening kickoff that Graves will change his tune from"judge me on the team on the field opening day" to "we're in a re-building process and you can't get everything fixed in one year."While the second statement is true Graves has shown no plan or clue whatsoever.BTW isn't year 3 of Mac's rebuiding plan?
 

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Yes Cbus, cutting him probably would seem to pretty much be the same as giving him away.

Did you read Jason's comments earlier in the thread?
I think they may just be as close to an accurate read as to what Graves may have meant with the first part of his comments. The second part leaves no doubt, and is not ambiguous in any way, to me anyway.

They may cut him...and they may not....that's what the crux of the whole debate has been.

Will they? or won't they? Who knows?...that's what some of us have been trying to get a feel for.
 

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Based on what graves said on his 12:05 segment with jurecki and lewis today...appears jones will not again be involved in any cardinals "activities"..i.e. minicamp, training camp, games, etc.. ..this is how I interpreted rod's statement..Either a trade is in the works or he will be cut..anyone else hear this?
 

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That being the case.....I wonder if other team's actually monitor other teams public comments much?

It would sure seem counter productive for Graves to tip the Card's hand like that if there were still any realistic possibilities of trade.

This whole thing regarding TJ has been strange....very strange.
 

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Originally posted by Tangodnzr
That being the case.....I wonder if other team's actually monitor other teams public comments much?

It would sure seem counter productive for Graves to tip the Card's hand like that if there were still any realistic possibilities of trade.

This whole thing regarding TJ has been strange....very strange.

Graves doing something counter-productive? Heaven forbid! Tango - I realy think that as this season begins, you il find yourself creeping closer and close to the darkside . . . keep the optimism thing going though - there has to be balance in the world.
 

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"When If's and buts are candy and nuts every day will be Christmas"

Tango you do nothing but argue in circles. You ask for exactness and then retreat from it. When confronted with the simple facts you resort to obfuscation and denial. Then you play the role of "simple folk" set upon by others. You're as tranparent as a pane of glass. Multi-color responses not withstanding.
 
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Originally posted by ChiCard
Well make up your mind do you want it meticulous or not? Don't ask for what you can't deal with.
What's your problem Chicard?
You just continue to throw barbs and taunts.
For the record....I will spell it out for you....yes Chicard, as I said before...... meticulous is usually best when repeating quotes or checking out others repetition of them. What is there about that don't you understand? And just what is it that I "can't deal with?"
Why do you keep deviating into word games rather than just try and hold a discussion about the relevant points?



Now as far as the football is concerned who ever said Graves was on the righ track in the first place?

It appears as if its pretty safe to say you don't count yourself among those.
I don't consider Graves, or anyone infallible....but neither do I think they are the inept bozos that some here apparently make them out to be.
 
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