Why we didn't get Lee Evans

[Mulli]

We've gone from Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald and Steve Breaston to Larry Fitzgerald and Andre Roberts and Early to the first aid wagon Doucet.

Is this going to be like when we had Anquan Boldin, Bryant Johnson and Bryan Gilmore and Nate Poole and Kevin kasper and Jason McAdderly when our #2 WR had 35 catches?

We'll see.

I see what you are doing there. and I like it.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Well he was the #2 WR? so technically you have to replace him. But Breaston just wasnt as great as you all make him out to be IMO. His level of talent isnt all that hard to replace.

You are missing the point.

Put aside opinions of how good a football player Breaston is.

Whiz said he would like a player like Steve Breaston. Cheesey is saying if that is the case then why didn't the Cardinals re-sign Breaston if that is what Whiz is looking for ?

Fair question, IMO. Especially with so much cap room left this season.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

We've gone from Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald and Steve Breaston to Larry Fitzgerald and Andre Roberts and Early to the first aid wagon Doucet.

Is this going to be like when we had Anquan Boldin, Bryant Johnson and Bryan Gilmore and Nate Poole and Kevin kasper and Jason McAdderly when our #2 WR had 35 catches?

We'll see.

I personally believe that will be the exact case of what happens this year.

The wildcard ? Our TE situation. Boldin also had no TE. Wait, he had Fred Wakefield, how did I forget that game breaker.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

There's a world of difference between trying to replace a Steve Breaston vs trying to replace a Karlos Dansby. I think there's a good chance we've already replaced Breaston, it might take us a decade to find another Dansby.

Steve

Agreed as well.

But, I believe Stewart Bradley will be something special for this team.

 

[Shane]

You are missing the point.

Put aside opinions of how good a football player Breaston is.

Whiz said he would like a player like Steve Breaston. Cheesey is saying if that is the case then why didn't the Cardinals re-sign Breaston if that is what Whiz is looking for ?

Fair question, IMO. Especially with so much cap room left this season.

No I completely get the point. I just happen to think a player "like Breaston" without the knee issues won't be hard to find.

 

[Mulli]

Either Roberts or Doucet gets with 10 catches of Evans or Breaston.

I call it.

 

[Duckjake]

I personally believe that will be the exact case of what happens this year.

The wildcard ? Our TE situation. Boldin also had no TE. Wait, he had Fred Wakefield, how did I forget that game breaker.

Fred Wakefield, Bernard Wilson... some legendary Cardinal names.

Actually Boldin did have a TE. Freddy Jones had 55 catches that season. What he didn't have was Kevin Kolb. He had Jeff Blake and Josh McCown instead.

In 2003 Boldin and the TEs had 167 receptions for almost 2000 yards. I wouldn't be surprised to see those kind of numbers this year from Fitz and the TEs if Kolb proves to be what we anticipated when trading for him.

 

[Cheesebeef]

No I completely get the point. I just happen to think a player "like Breaston" without the knee issues won't be hard to find.

he was banged up one season... and KC had no problem signing him. knee issues is code for "not cheap enough" IMO.

have there been ANY reports from kc that Breaston is having knee issues?

 

[Arizona's Finest]

he was banged up one season... and KC had no problem signing him. knee issues is code for "not cheap enough" IMO.

have there been ANY reports from kc that Breaston is having knee issues?

Don't you think there was areason for as good as team guy as he was, the team literally made NO attempt to sign him? This wasn't a Dansby or Rolle situation where guys left other offers from the Cards on the table. FACT: Breaston has had recurring knee issues on BOTH knees. He's a slight player who plays the slot.

Why do you even ask that last question? Really cheese really? You figured we we would be hearing about his knee two weeks into camp? Is that really your justification for how little of a risk his knee issues are? Because if so that's a terrible argument point blank. If you expected to hear about knee issues two weeks in then you probably expected Amare Stoudamire to spontaneously combust the minute he signed with the Knicks too.

We cant say for sure Breaston will break down or not, but given the information at hand and how I'm pretty freaking sure the staff has a better idea then the arm chair QBs here at ASFN just how much risk is there, seems pretty smart not to give dude 5 years. All relevant data on FA signings pretty much point to KC cutting him at some point before the end of his deal anyway.

And like K9 tried to point out, Wiz didn't say he wanted a Breaston type player, he said he wanted to give a similar opportunity to a young player, completely negating the entire point of your first post and many others in this thread. Oh FYI - Roberts and Doucet were both better prospects and drafted higher then Breaston so maybe the team is on to something here?

Sheesh who would have thought K9 as the voice of reason over the past few
days? I like it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Don't you think there was areason for as good as team guy as he was, the team literally made NO attempt to sign him?

um... because he wanted more than rookie wage, which is what the Cardinals apparently have budgeted for his position?

This wasn't a Dansby or Rolle situation where guys left other offers from the Cards on the table. FACT: Breaston has had recurring knee issues on BOTH knees. He's a slight player who plays the slot.

Why do you even ask that last question? Really cheese really? You figured we we would be hearing about his knee two weeks into camp?

I don't know... why hasn't his knee been questioned AT ALL in FA? I think the proof will be in the pudding with Breaston and we'll see how his knee shakes out. he missed 4 games over two years. I just don't see how that's major knee issues.

Is that really your justification for how little of a risk his knee issues are? Because if so that's a terrible argument point blank. If you expected to hear about knee issues two weeks in then you probably expected Amare Stoudamire to spontaneously combust the minute he signed with the Knicks too.

We cant say for sure Breaston will break down or not, but given the information at hand and how I'm pretty freaking sure the staff has a better idea then the arm chair QBs here at ASFN just how much risk is there, seems pretty smart not to give dude 5 years. All relevant data on FA signings pretty much point to KC cutting him at some point before the end of his deal anyway.

right... because the first two years are where the guaranteed money is. 10 million bucks. why couldn't we have risked the same thing? You say 5 years as if it means something big. He got 10 million up front for two years guaranteed. that's not that big of a risk to take on a guy you know can run your system.

And like K9 tried to point out, Wiz didn't say he wanted a Breaston type player, he said he wanted to give a similar opportunity to a young player, completely negating the entire point of your first post and many others in this thread.

K9 ignoring Sando's report which specifically mentioned Breaston by name doesn't negate anything IMO.

Oh FYI - Roberts and Doucet were both better prospects and drafted higher then Breaston so maybe the team is on to something here?

maybe but if you're talking about being leery of depending on an "injured" guy like Breaston, how in the world do you depend on Doucet? as to Roberts, he may be a better prospect, but Wiz/RG draft picks have been few and far between that have made any kind of impact... if they're still on the team at this point. betting on their talent evaluation is shaky at best to me.

 

[Treefiddy]

Whiz said he would like a player like Steve Breaston.

Did Whiz really say this? I only saw Sando's opinion that stated this.

 

[chickenhead]

I like Breaston a lot, but I also think he was a sleeper to other teams that someone was going to overpay. Given his injury concerns, it seemed prudent to either replace his production with someone who costs less, or replace his salary with someone who adds more. We'll have to see if the former comes to pass because we sure haven't seen the former.

But given the fact that we suddenly have a TE stable, it should be interesting to watch.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Did Whiz really say this? I only saw Sando's opinion that stated this.

I thought it was inferential on Sando's part but the article doesn't really make it clear.

Steve

 

[seesred]

Early or Roberts. I think we have more than those two who can ball at WR.I liked Breaton and he did some great things for us. BUt as others have said money and injuries to legs on a WR don't add up to keeing at big bucks. Take a look at Williams or Sampson. Stuckey or this 6-3 guy named Isiah Williams.

I think one of these kids will emerge from the depths and steal a job at number 3. I will look ahead during camp and pre season games and watch every one of them. They are big and fast with good hands from what I've seen so far. They have looked for the most part sharp in their routes. One will force a decision from Whiz!

GBR
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[Chaz]

Go to the source.

Link to original interview:
http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18...HOENIX-AZ/KGME-AM/8-15 Whisenhunt PODCAST.mp3

 

[Duckjake]

What coach wouldn't like a guy like Steve Breaston? 5th round pick that returned punts, kickoffs and had 2400 yards receiving the last 3 years.

Especially when your team has gotten almost nothing out of their 5th round picks for the 10 prior years except a guy who hurt himself celebrating a FG.

I'm just surprised we didn't figure out a way to get Hines Ward to take his place.

 

[Gaddabout]

I'm at a loss how Stephen Williams isn't in this discussion. He's looked fantastic -- again -- in preseason so far. He looks like he's going to be a stellar goal-line receiver. I don't know how fast he is, but he looks fast enough to me. He seems like he's thick enough to go over the middle, too. I think you toss out any rough patches last year considering who the Cards had at QB. Based on what I see now ... this guy's for real. Maybe the 2nd best receiver on the team right now.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I'm at a loss how Stephen Williams isn't in this discussion. He's looked fantastic -- again -- in preseason so far. He looks like he's going to be a stellar goal-line receiver. I don't know how fast he is, but he looks fast enough to me. He seems like he's thick enough to go over the middle, too. I think you toss out any rough patches last year considering who the Cards had at QB. Based on what I see now ... this guy's for real. Maybe the 2nd best receiver on the team right now.

key word being pre-season. He showed nothing when it counted. That's not to say he won't develop but there are alot of pre-season superstars that never do a thing in the NFL when they play for real.

 

[JeffGollin]

key word being pre-season. He showed nothing when it counted. That's not to say he won't develop but there are alot of pre-season superstars that never do a thing in the NFL when they play for real.

And who, may I ask, was throwing to Williams a year ago?

 

[Duckjake]

And who, may I ask, was throwing to Williams a year ago?

Our 2011 #2,#3,and #4 QBs. Kevin, please don't get hurt!

 

[Cheesebeef]

And who, may I ask, was throwing to Williams a year ago?

why does that matter? He looked good regardless of who was throwing him the ball in pre-season last year.

 

[chickenhead]

Hey, if Roberts, Doucet, or Williams replace Breaston's production this year I will be ecstatic. Even more so if they use the savings to address another need.

 

[Duckjake]

Hey, if Roberts, Doucet, or Williams replace Breaston's production this year I will be ecstatic. Even more so if they use the savings to address another need.

Me too. But then we always seem to be saying this about some player or another.

 

[chickenhead]

That's what we do

 

[Garthshort]

I remember an Agatha Christie (Miss. Marple) novel performed on Materpiece Mystery titled, "Why Didn't They Ask Evans". Whether the Cards did or didn't is also a mystery.