Why we shouldnt draft Newton

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Whiz is the one who turned in mike vick for dog fighting and he also called the play to have LT ruin Thiesmans career.

Oh yeah, he told steve young to stay in the pocket long enough for awilliams to concuss him.
 

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Who said that? Think for a moment it might be your reading comprehension. Also look at yourself first.

:lol: :confused:

Taking it a bit literal aren't we.

If I cared enough or had the time I would look up all the incorrect swd comments that have been made over the years.

LSH isn't fast enough to be a return man.
THT can't ever make any tackler miss.
Whis will never take this team anywhere.

Just a couple off the top of my head.

I don't know if your wrong more then most of us but you make your statements in such a way (oober negative) that they have a tendency to stick in my mind.
 

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First Whiz hated Ben and visa versa. Whiz thinks its all about mechanics. Ben never changed the way he played.

Whiz I believe even said you dont tweak a guy like Warner he is proven so he didnt develop Warner.

Warner kept "tweaking" Leinart for how many years?

If Phillip Rivers came here Whiz's head would explode. Totally bad throwing mechanics. Yet it works. Newton has almost no mechanics but Ill bet he is a winner. Whiz also prefers pocket passers and would make Newton stay in the pocket.

Just a bad combination. Of the last three real QB's Whiz has had (Ben, Kurt, Matt) two hated him and the third had an OC and the HC stayed out of it.

Man you just dont have any clue what you are talking about.

First off for all the stupidity of Wiz not "developing" Rothelesberger and that he wanted to "pull him 6 times his rookie year" <---- WTF?

HE WENT 15-1 WITH A ROOKIE QUARTERBACK (unprecedented in the history of the NFL) AND WON A SUPERBOWL WITH HIM THE NEXT.

Even if he was threatning to pull him "6 times".... IT WORKED!

Liking your coach and playing well under your coach are not mutually exclusive. Who cares that Wiz/Ben hated each other? Ben has his best record and a Super Bowl under him. And from everything with have founfd out about Ben.....not many other people in Pitt like him either. Hes a drunk sexually harrassing lout.

Second as many have pointed out, Wiz never coached Plummer. Not even close.

Third - Wiz didn't tweak Warner? What do you call the 2008 offseason? And after that he didn't...BECAUSE HE HAS PROVEN TO BE A SUPER BOWL CALIBER QB. Warner had earned it. Thats all Wiz wants. Prove it before I hand it to you.

Leinart never earned anything. After 4 years he was STILL not throwing for touchdowns or 300 yards in preseason games against scrubs. Leinart was a mistake by the previous regime plain and simple.

Newton has almost no mechanics but Ill bet he is a winner. Whiz also prefers pocket passers and would make Newton stay in the pocket.

This is proof positive you have no clue what your writing. You "bet" he is a winner......? Umm what would ever lead you to think that?

http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls/_/game/bcs-championship

And Newton actually has close to flawless mechanics. Its one of the reason he is a better prospect then Vince Young. His arm slot is over the top and high and he flicks the ball with ease. You will see as the combine process starts how high scouts are on his throwing motion.

But hey keep throwing stuff up against the wall, maybe it will eventually stick.
 

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There's still a lot of football to be played, prospects to watch and other personnel stuff that has to unfold before anyone can zero in on any one college prospect and claim "we gotta have him."

We don't know where we will pick.

Most of us haven't seen all the guys we have to see.

We'll remain in the dark about which of our own players we want to keep, who wants to be here and who we'll actually keep.

We can't be sure what kind of football team and offensive/defensive systems the coaches have visualized going forward - and what kind of players we'll want to add/subtract in order to best implement those systems.

And then there's the CBA and the possibility of a non-contract year.

And stuff going on with other teams - both inside and outside our division.

Cam Newton certainly has the size and skill set. But would he necessarily help the Cardinals the most within the context of other needs which impact the position; specifically our O-line - especially at LT?

As to the QB position - What are the main criteria - Vick-like athleticism (can beat you with his arm or feet)? Montana-like accuracy and ability to read defenses? Leadership intangibles? Ability to absorb NFL-level of QB play quickly? And, aside from all that, will he even be available when we pick? Seldom will Mr. Perfect drop precisely into our laps - there will be trade-offs.

As an aside- Maybe these are just my perceptions, but it seems to me that there are a lot more QB's than usual coming out this year (including Gabbert and Mallett) who can sling the football. (Even more impressive - there must be 50 wideouts who all are bigger than 6-5, have velcro hands, can jump thru the roof and run under 4.4).

My instincts tell me that, perhaps we should all settle down and, over the next couple of months, figure out our list of Top 15 draft prospects in line with a BPA strategy; plus, of course, our strategy (covering options which include: free agents, trade-possibilities, the draft and on our own roster - within the context of the kind of guys we're looking for) for getting healthy at QB.
 
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Man you just dont have any clue what you are talking about.

First off for all the stupidity of Wiz not "developing" Rothelesberger and that he wanted to "pull him 6 times his rookie year" <---- WTF?.
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Heisman Trophy winner Cam Newton, of Auburn and Westlake High, needs to stay in college and work on his God awful mechanics, according to Russ Lande, a former NFL Scout, who heads the War Room for the Sporting News.

(Seems like some were saying the same thing about Tim Tebow’s awful mechanics before he was selected in the first round last year.)

But you know all and whatever you read is correct.
 
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Has this happened? I cant recall an LSH comment. Dudes my pick for #1 RB lol



Did I say that?

I just never saw, in 27 years of watching the NFL a KR with no real chance at a TD because of speed. Typically they do pick the fastest guy (ie Breaston, Garvin) that isnt a "franchise" player.

Like I said all of us have been wrong about stuff. :)
 

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You guys have been snuggeling up to Wilsons jockstrap for 2 years now and i kept my mouth shut. But the guy is the worst safety in the league. Every week I hear u guys saying how great he is and to sign him to a 50 year contract.

You wouldnt get a darn waterboy in trade for him. Does your press out there braineash you? In the east here he is a joke not worth mentioning. Carter made him look like a fool. As has everyone else.

Why Graves cant get this done is far beyond me but we need to pay Wilson handsomely and send a message that if you keep your mouth shut and pay hard you get rewarded.

I am waiting for a team to take a situation like Docketts and bench him for three years and count his salary as a loss. No player could recover from 3 years out of the league sitting at home and get great money coming back.

Would be a great message to the players. PAY WILSON!

This kid is playing out of his mind. Three times in the last few games I see him tackled 5-6 yards short of a first down and he manages to fly 2 inches off the ground to get it.

I have been saying he could be our Brian Westbrook for weeks now.

If it isnt his fault that our special teams is this bad then cut him to save salary. The guy is doing nothing to help the team.


Browns hearing offers for Anderson

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Question: Is Anderson better now than Leinart will turn out to be? I think Anderson is pretty darn good. I had Lewis and Winslow on my fantasy team so I caught a lot of games.

If we could get a #1 and #2 for Leinart do you grab Anderson for a #1?

I predict Seattle wins the division with a 7-9 record cementing even further the cardinals legacy of losing.

Why will then win with a 7-9 record? The NFL parity is set to have teams rotate. Few winning seasons few rebuilding seasons repeat. It is the cards turn in the rotation and of course we still suck so some team will win the division with a sub 500 record.

Start the guy that can do this:

1) Hold onto the ball
2) Complete the fewer number of passes to the opposing team
3) Can see/hit the RB in the flat
4) Can handle the snap
5) Recognizes a blitz and throw to the hot route

So lets grade them based off of this year and experience in NFL games:

Warner
1) F
2) F
3) F
4) D
5) D

Leinart
1) ?
2) ?
3) ?
4) ?
5) ?

If you had to choose which would you take?

I guess if you make a lot of bold predictions you are going to be wrong some so kudos for putting your opinion out there. I also bet that we could do the same thing for just about any poster. Having said that you don't get to bash Whiz anymore for going with DA. ;)
 

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I doubt Rod Graves would ever draft Newton - bad "character" and too many off the field problems.
 

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That's how I feel, although we drafted Dockett who had the same concerns.

Yeah, but Dockett was mostly (IRRC) just drugs, not stealing and having his dad pimp him. I would think for a QB you need someone with good judgement.

Except for Tim Tebow, what college kid hasn't dabbled in drugs? :)
 
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