Will Hill Start?

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IMHO, D'Antoni will try to get Hill into the starting lineup most of the time:

C- Stoudemire
PF - Marion
SG - Hill
SG - Bell
PG - Nash

Hill was on the East All Star team in 2005 and his stats were down last season from that season as much because the Magic went to a slow down style. The Magic too just under 600 fewer field goal attemps than in 2004-05. While playing the same number of games, Hill had only 660 attempts last season compared to 1015 in 2004-05 (a year where he averaged 19.7 ppg).

D'Antoni has always preferred to put his five best players on the floor and I think that means Hill starts. It also puts Marion at PF where he tends to do better (witness how much better his stats were in 2004-05 and 2005-06).

Obviously that lineup does not work against some opponents such as the Spurs, but I'd expect to see it a lot this season because it would be very hard to stop. Compared to the late season lineup with Jones starting, this would be a much more difficult team to defense.

The bench of Barbosa, KT and Diaw is a pretty good one, especially if Diaw gets back closer to his 2005-06 level. By bringing Diaw off the bench, he might not have the role conflicts with Amare he had last year. Diaw could play more at the high post/pick man than he could when starting along side Amare. Also It makes sense to team up Diaw and Barbosa so Leandro has help at ball handling.

IMHO, KT should be used as PF all the time rather than as a backup center. His skills are better suited to being a mid range spot up shooter than to play the pick and roll. In some cases he starts while in other cases he comes off the bench. When KT starts, Marion moves over to SF.with Hill coming in off the bench.

Last season Bell put in minutes at SF in order to get more three point shooting on the floor. With Hill playing more minutes than Jones did (he averaged 18), I think Bell's time at SF will go down.

When it comes to mintes, I would estimate:

Stoudemire - about the same at 32
Marion - may drop to closer to 35 from 37.6
Bell - may drop to closer to 34 from 37.4
Barbosa - may drop to 30 from 32.7
Diaw - may drop to 28 from 31.1
Thomas - about the same at 18
Nash - may drop from 35.3 (goal of 32 but hard to implement)

The above is 209, which leaves 39 minutes. In theory, Hill could play 30 and still leave minutes, but I expect his minutes to be in the mid twenties. Still, slightly fewer minutes could help avoid guys wearing down.
 
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According to the article on sports.ktar.com Hill was told he'll start with:

Nash
Bell
Hill
Marion
Amare
 

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I love the signing because Hill is a facilitator. Between him and Diaw, our need to get a back-up distributing PG has been put on the backburner.
 
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I love the signing because Hill is a facilitator. Between him and Diaw, our need to get a back-up distributing PG has been put on the backburner.

The need remains, but it is very hard to get someone who can actually make a difference.
 
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I'd be happy if he PLAYS in 50ish games for us.

It's an obvous concern, but at least Hill did not have a serious injury last year. I would hope the Suns are prepared to have Tucker play if Hill misses games, but it is a lot better than hoping Tucker can be a rotation player from the start.
 

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yes. Hill will start.
 

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I don't want to see Hill start. To me that puts more pressure on his body which hasn't exactly been reliable. I want to see Hill come off the bench and the Suns play bigger with Kurt or PJ or someone else in there. I think it's a mistake to start Hill but we shall see.

The more interesting part will be if the Suns reverse at some point to go bigger in the lineup. Is Grant going to get PO and feel like the Suns lied? Would that prompt a bigger problem during the year or make Grant bolt at the end of the year? This could be interesting.
 

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I don't want to see Hill start. To me that puts more pressure on his body which hasn't exactly been reliable. I want to see Hill come off the bench and the Suns play bigger with Kurt or PJ or someone else in there. I think it's a mistake to start Hill but we shall see.

The more interesting part will be if the Suns reverse at some point to go bigger in the lineup. Is Grant going to get PO and feel like the Suns lied? Would that prompt a bigger problem during the year or make Grant bolt at the end of the year? This could be interesting.

Does anyone else not think that this is a one year rental on Hill anyway? I don't expect him to pick up the player option anyway.
 

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It's not really a matter of who starts though, but instead who finishes. Hill may only play 25 minutes a game, but I think they'll be quality minutes.
 

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Does anyone else not think that this is a one year rental on Hill anyway? I don't expect him to pick up the player option anyway.

Why wouldn't he? It's not like anyone else is likely to give him more in another year. If he's having a good time with the Suns, he might as well stick around. I think he'll bail if the Suns win a title, but otherwise I hope to see him for two years, barring another significant injury.
 
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I don't want to see Hill start. To me that puts more pressure on his body which hasn't exactly been reliable. I want to see Hill come off the bench and the Suns play bigger with Kurt or PJ or someone else in there. I think it's a mistake to start Hill but we shall see.

You are bringing up two issues:

Is Hill's health more vulnerable starting or coming off the bench?

Will D'Antoni shock everyone and go to a conventional lineup with a big to go alone with Amare?

IMHO, a player who plays the same minutes is LESS likely to get injured than coming off the bench because he has a chance to get warmed up.

Getting Hill probably ensures that D'Antoni will play the small ball lineup more because he will have the talent to make it work. I would hope he goes big against teams with major low post threats, but that is fewer than a third of the teams.
 

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Another potentially valid question is what position will Hill actually play. We all know D'Antoni like to use SF's as PF's or even C's at times. How will Hill react to trying to guard Rasheed Wallace or Elton Brand? Obviously it'd be pretty stupid to ask him to do that with, but it's bound to happen......hell, he is 6'8 so he can be a center. :sarcasm:
 

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I'm assuming like most everyone that Hill will start. I like Diaw coming off the bench, because he's so versatile, he can replace a few different players (Pg, PF or C), whoever needs a break first. LB can come in to replace either the SF, PG, SG, and people can slide around. I think that top 7 works best, with hopefully KT and PJ Brown (I hope) getting minutes as well.
 

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I think he will start, but I doubt he plays starter minutes. I only see him on the court for 20 min. a game. D'Antoni won't overplay him. I think Diaw will do better and earn back some more PT.
 

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