Will Kyler Murray become a franchise QB...

Will Kyler Murray become a franchise QB


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Real simple, yes or no. Vote what you think. If you do not want to vote, don't go typical ASFN and then make a noncommittal comment below without voting. The poll is asking a simple question and that would not have to be with the Cardinals, does not have to become a great QB, but obviously good with at least seven years of longevity to be considered a franchise QB
 

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Real simple, yes or no. Vote what you think. If you do not want to vote, don't go typical ASFN and then make a noncommittal comment below without voting. The poll is asking a simple question and that would not have to be with the Cardinals, does not have to become a great QB, but obviously good with at least seven years of longevity to be considered a franchise QB
I think a franchise QB has more to do with things like consistency, talent, leadership/maturity, and football intelligence. A player to build around. Not just "obviously good for at least 7 years..."

However, the Cardinals definition seems more like: a franchise QB is someone who has the support of the organization and who the team is not actively trying to replace.
 

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Guys like Carr and Dak are franchise QB’s so it depends on your definition. Elite QB? Someone that gets you to the playoffs? Good stats and a second contract? As a harsh grader I’d say Mahomes, Allen and Burrow are young guys that their teams would feel comfortable handing them the keys to their franchise.
 

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Kyler Murray is such an incredible talent, and he's so smart, quick on his feet, and has an unbelievable combination of intelligence and raw physical talent. Maybe so much so that he's never had to actually work at it. Yes he takes hits, yes he works out a ton and he's incredibly dedicated to his craft. But he now has a reputation of being soft, not playing through injury, not leading his team when times get tough, he doesn't study enough film, and he lacks the pure fundamental intangible of resiliency.

If I was a teammmate, I'd question being out for 4 weeks with a sprained ankle. If I was a WR like AJ Green and Kyler was making faces at me during games and then isolates himself on the sidelines, I can't say I'd play harder for the guy.

At the same time, he's 24, and way more accomplished than 99.9999% of 24 year olds out there. I am a huge Kyler Murray fan and think the world of the guy. But he has to mature, be able to play through injuries, study film, and be a leader of men before he takes the next step.

Complain all you want about Keim, Kliff, Vance, etc. It all rides on Kyler. If he fails, they all will go. If he succeeds, it's prosperity for everyone. I think he will mature, but right now I look to Joe Burrow and Josh Allen as the epitome of how it's done for young leaders in the NFL. Kyler is more talented than both of them, I'd love to see him put it all together.
 
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I think a franchise QB has more to do with things like consistency, talent, leadership/maturity, and football intelligence. A player to build around. Not just "obviously good for at least 7 years..."

However, the Cardinals definition seems more like: a franchise QB is someone who has the support of the organization and who the team is not actively trying to replace.
When I say 'good' I mean that would include all those aspects one would think you mention there and just citing seven years of being good because I am not counting the years before he possibly arrived... gee this forum is picky lol
 
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Guys like Carr and Dak are franchise QB’s so it depends on your definition. Elite QB? Someone that gets you to the playoffs? Good stats and a second contract? As a harsh grader I’d say Mahomes, Allen and Burrow are young guys that their teams would feel comfortable handing them the keys to their franchise.
I think elite would mean winning a championship or constantly being close to winning a Lombardi... yeah, being close would include Jim Kelly lol
 

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I voted no.

Had high hopes for the kid but he is looking like a mentally weak spoiled ***** boy whenever his team needs him to step up.
You can't trust a guy like that to lead your team.
I'm gonna give him the slight benefit of the doubt that he can mature past it. But I don't have any confidence in that.
 

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I have no idea what kyler is going to become. His meltdown down the stretch has me questioning all my previous optimism.

I’m also struggling to come up with a comp in terms of level of QB. Not skill, talent, or similarity of play, mind you, but level. Like Brady comps with Montana. Rodgers comps with Peyton Manning and Brett Favre, John elway, and Kurt Warner. Cam Newton comps with Rivers, Palmer, mcnabb, and Matt Ryans. Does kyler fall into the cousins, Pennington class? Is he a Bledsoe, Mike Vick, mark brunell, Jim Everett class? Or is gonna be an RGIII, Vince young, Kerry Collins, leftwich, bulger? I have no idea. Sadly no idea.
 
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I have no idea what kyler is going to become. His meltdown down the stretch has me questioning all my previous optimism.

I’m also struggling to come up with a comp in terms of level of QB. Not skill, talent, or similarity of play, mind you, but level. Like Brady comps with Montana. Rodgers comps with Peyton Manning and Brett Favre, John elway, and Kurt Warner. Cam Newton comps with Rivers, Palmer, mcnabb, and Matt Ryans. Does kyler fall into the cousins, Pennington class? Is he a Bledsoe, Mike Vick, mark brunell, Jim Everett class? Or is gonna be an RGIII, Vince young, Kerry Collins, leftwich, bulger? I have no idea. Sadly no idea.
I heard some compare him to Doug Flutie but Flutie did not have his athletic ability and RGIII might become a good comparison which has a happier outcome
 

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I heard some compare him to Doug Flutie but Flutie did not have his athletic ability and RGIII might become a good comparison which has a happier outcome
Again I’m not trying to compare him in terms of size or skillset, which both of those kind of do. I’m trying to figure out what level of QB he will be. Flutie was never fully given the reins so we don’t know. RGIII was a massively talented player who experienced success early and everyone thought was the next big thing but then flamed out (yes, injury was partly to blame but he never even caught even part of his early flame), so kyler could be in this class.
 

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Doug Flutie had a competitive drive kyler murray will never match.
Yeah that’s not what I’m getting at either. I’m not trying to find a match of identifiable traits. I’m trying to find a comp for level of success he seems destined for right now. My fear is cousins. Put up flashy numbers early and excited some folks (so much the Vikings paid dearly for him and some ASFN posters were fawning for him) but then he leveled off and is now kinda the poster boy for “meh, okay” level QBs.
 

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Yea, I don’t think Kyler has the talent Josh Allen has.

As a matter of fact, I don’t think any QB has the talent Josh Allen has. Including Mahomes.

As a passer i doubt, about physicality, yes he is a freak, but his style of play remind me Andrew Luck, and he did not last very long
 

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I don't think he has what it takes to will his team to a win when the chips are down.
Yep. I think some people have a low threshold for "Franchise QB." Kirk Cousins, the guy who can put up 1,000 stats but can't lead his team from the bus to the stadium is not at all, IMO, a franchise QB. By that reasoning, neither is KM. Oh, he can flash and put up gaudy stats, but until and unless he changes his whole attitude and approach to the game, he has no chance to become a franchise QB.
 
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