Will the Cards step up

[Sandan]

Originally posted by Shane H
Yea I do. Im quite certain that financial perameters wouldnt be discussed via telephone.

In fact I believe they wouldnt be discussed at all until an offer is made for the job.

Call me crazy!

No I don't think you are crazy, I agree with you.

But be assured that before his agent let him come here, he made sure that the Cards were in the ballpark.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
PS....I'm still intrigued by the report that Mac said, in response to a media question....."I'm cleaning out Jim Fassel's desk."

Did he really, actually say that?

If he did, I think that may just speak volumes.

Not only that Fassel's coming here is a good possibility, but by making that statement....Mac in a round-about way is giving his blessing to it. And I would think that would carry a lot of weight as to contributing to the player's acceptace of Fassel as his replacement.

Remember, for better or worse, these guys love Mac.

It means nothing if he indeed said that. He was simply refering to all the Media reports saying Fassel has an inside track on the job.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK
It means nothing if he indeed said that. He was simply refering to all the Media reports saying Fassel has an inside track on the job.

That could be very true.

Then again, maybe not.

How do you know for sure it "means nothing" ?

Mac is one of the most media savvy coaches I have ever seen.
It just seems odd to me, that particular choice of words....in a Freudian sense, I guess you could say.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
That could be very true.

Then again, maybe not.

How do you know for sure it "means nothing" ?

Mac is one of the most media savvy coaches I have ever seen.
It just seems odd to me, that particular choice of words....in a Freudian sense, I guess you could say.

It means nothing to me I should say. It was a joke and he was trying to be funny. I wouldnt put a lot of stock in it.

In fact, and of course this is only opinion, I think Fassel ends up in Buffalo. It is his last stop on the interviewing tour and (this is not opinion) they are much more talented a team than the Cardinals with more pieces in place.

AS for who the Cards end up with? I have no idea, but if history tells us anything, I am betting on Johnson.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Fassel met with Snyder for 12 hours yesterday and his agent came away very impressed.Money talks,plain and simple. So for Tango to say that Fassel will not work for him is ludicrous. They have more talent,a better football enviorment,an owner not afraid to do whatever it takes to win,a shot twice a year against the Giants,and more money.The dog must've eaten Tango's homework because it is very lacking.

 

[KingofCards]

Sometimes I wonder why Harry is consider a know- it-all. He often has his facts wrong and is like 2 years behind.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by Cbus cardsfan
Fassel met with Snyder for 12 hours yesterday and his agent came away very impressed.Money talks,plain and simple. So for Tango to say that Fassel will not work for him is ludicrous.
OK, I'll give you another mulligan on that whiff.
The 12 hours, per se, doesn't necessarily mean squat. Snyder is clearly the "chaser" here. He can talk himself blue in the face for who knows how long...That doesn't mean Fassel is totally accepting everything he says.
As has been posted by someone before: What would you expect Fassel or his agent to say????
....."What a moron. Jim could hardly keep from falling asleep during Daniel's soliloquy. Jim said, at one point, "if he had flashed his big wallet at me one more time, I probably would have puked." Both Jim and I consider it an insult to Jim's professionalism and intelligence that Mr. Snyder would assume that Jim is not aware of exactly what the situation in Washington really is." .....????

As for it being ludicrous that Fassel would consider other things besides just the money...here's a quote from a Kent Somers article a day or two ago:

"......Snyder could try to make Fassel an offer he can't refuse. Spurrier was making about $5 million a year.

But (Steve)Rosner, Fassel's agent, said money won't be the sole factor in Fassel's decision.

"I won't tell you money is not important to Jim, but at this point in his career, he's looking for a position where he can finish out his coaching career," Rosner said. "Just as important as the money is what's the team's commitment to winning."

Fassel's plan is to "respect the process" and interview with teams he thinks might be good fits for him, Rosner said. However, he added, an offer from a team might speed the process.....





They have more talent,a better football enviorment,
Cbus, how can you say this with a straight face?

an owner not afraid to do whatever it takes to win,
LOL...yes indeed, Mr. Snyder has demonstrated his vast expertise on how to put together a winning team/tradition in Washington the past 5 years since he bought the team in 1999. Tex Schramm , George Halas, Bill Walsh, etc, pale in comparison to this guy's track record.

a shot twice a year against the Giants,and more money.

I consider this high school logic at best. Granted Fassel, like any normal human being under the circumstances would probably enjoy being successful against the Giants. But , I think, it's much morre likely that any ego satisfaction Fassel would utltimately be concerned about , is just proving his success somewhere else....regardless of whether "He" ever played the Giants again or not. The money part , I already referred to above. And Rosner's comments fit perfectly with the track record and history of Jim Fassel , the man, and coach.
The dog must've eaten Tango's homework because it is very lacking.
I'd say before you make fun of my "attire", you be wearing some kind of clothing yourself.

 

[Tangodnzr]

I'm willing to "bet the house" that the Cards do indeed make him an offer.

Further I'll say, I think there's an excellent, excellent chance he takes it. As long as they don't low-ball him. And I don't expect that to happen.

The one big plus here, is that both sides know and trust each other. It's a WIN-WIN situation.

 

[Capital Card]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
Harry,

You may copy my current "thought for the day" in my signature if you'd like.

It has appeared for quite some time now, that daily meditations on it, might do you some good.

Do you mean the Bill Shankly quote? Because I've never really understood why you are promoting a legendary Hall of Fame soccer coach's quote in an American Football forum.

Go Cards!!!

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by Capital Card
Do you mean the Bill Shankly quote? Because I've never really understood why you are promoting a legendary Hall of Fame soccer coach's quote in an American Football forum.

Go Cards!!!

Nah....the Bill Shankley quote is "my signature" not "thought for the day".

And when I ran across it, I had absolutely no clue of who Bill Shankley really was.

Call it "poetic license" then, in "adapting" it to NFL "football".

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Originally posted by KingofCards
Sometimes I wonder why Harry is consider a know- it-all. He often has his facts wrong and is like 2 years behind.

I think most of the consistent posters would disagree with you on this statement. With the exception of possibly Walter, I don't believe that anyone here has more knowledge than Harry. Not only that, but most of his predictions are dead on. While many don't want to hear them, because they are often negative, his track record is pretty accurate.

 

[Capital Card]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
Nah....the Bill Shankley quote is "my signature" not "thought for the day".

And when I ran across it, I had absolutely no clue of who Bill Shankley really was.

Call it "poetic license" then, in "adapting" it to NFL "football".

I know. I'm just giving you a bit of a hard time. As for Shankley though, in some parts of Europe, he is as well regarded as Vince Lombardi is here. Well, maybe more like Bill Parcells, as the World Cup isn't named the Shankley Cup.

Go Cards!!!

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by KingofCards
Sometimes I wonder why Harry is consider a know- it-all. He often has his facts wrong and is like 2 years behind.

I was thinking exactly the same thing after reading Harry's latest post.

I have commented before, how biased he seems to have become "against" the Cards "organization". To me I have witnessed it affect his credibility a lot.

Some of his posts lately really have made me wonder, just how "current" he is really staying.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr

Tango,are all synapses firing? To question which team has better talent just shows ignorance.Lavarr Arrington,Champ Bailey,Fred Smoot, Laverneus Coles,Chris Samuels,Jon Jansen,and Jesse Armstead that i'm sure could maybe make the Cards roster.Also, i guess playing in front of 20,000 for your home games compared to a sellout every game is much better.I can't even believe i took the time to respond to your obvious lack of reality.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by Cbus cardsfan
Tango,are all synapses firing? To question which team has better talent just shows ignorance.Lavarr Arrington,Champ Bailey,Fred Smoot, Laverneus Coles,Chris Samuels,Jon Jansen,and Jesse Armstead that i'm sure could maybe make the Cards roster.Also, i guess playing in front of 20,000 for your home games compared to a sellout every game is much better.I can't even believe i took the time to respond to your obvious lack of reality.

OK, Cbus, I'll concede that point to you.....
Now....how about all the rest. ? I don't think anyone, myself included has ever made any claims that the Cards are anywhere near the most talented team in the NFL.
The Skins have Coles...the Cards have Quan.
While our LB's may not be LaVar Arrington, I don't think they are slouches either.
Fred Smoot? GUFFAWWW!!!! YoU MaDe ME sHoOt mY DrInK oF wAteR OtTa mY nOsE.
....anyyyyway.....Like I said, I'll concede you that point.

NOW...how about all the others??????(which is what I was really referring to anyway) Seems you conveniently "forget" or overlook all of those.

 

[pinnacle]

Harry has been moreso right about the Cardinals draft choices (and perhaps they should have taken) than anyone over the past few years. I am not sure exactly who Harry is..but I assume the following as I know them:

1. He was or is a scout...I know he used to go to alot of college games in the Southeast to scout players.
2. He was or is connected to someone in the Cardinals Scouting department - but I was under the impression that perhaps that person (his contact) was no longer with the team. May have been someone not in scouting with the cardinals (a coach?) ..not sure.
3. Harry is a very knowledgeable football guy and unfortunately - whatever predictions he has had about the Cardnals - he has been right..alot....I wish he was wrong more often - but he historically has not been wrong..

Where I start to differ with Harry is more on the current situation of Cardinals management. I think Graves and Michael will make a difference - eventually - but I am suspecting Harry may be from Missouri (i.e - "show me").

question for Harry: are you from St. Louis? just wondering...regarding the Cardinals most people in St. Louis pretty much have the same thing to say about that Bob Costas (life long St. Louis resident) recently said in Arizona on a radio show: as long as Bidwill is the owner - they will always suck. This perception will not change until we start winning - but no one in St. Louis will ever give the cardinals an ounce of credit for anything..ever.. We could win 4 super bowls and they would stay say: Bidwill sucks. Kind of like asking a cleveland resident what they think of Art Modell and the Ravens...or a Baltimore resident what they think about Irsay and the Colts....except Bidwill commands alot less respect than the Irsay and Modell...

Note: there are exceptions there are a handful of people in St. Louis who still like the cardinals (see Fiasco - poster here).

2nd Note: until we actually start winning....there is little ammunition to say anything has changed in the Cardinals organization. I think things have changed..but until wins outweigh losses - perceptions will not change.