Will They Trade Voskuhl?

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From Republic article quoting D'Antoni:

"I think we can play them both together," he said, meaning McDyess could play center alongside Stoudemire at the forward position. "(McDyess) is strong enough. He played (center) for me a lot in Denver. He's as strong as Jake Voskuhl is."

While Stoudemire's game is predicated on explosive quickness, McDyess is able to step out and hit the midrange jump shot or to post up. That could free up Stoudemire inside when McDyess is outside or allow him to come from the weak side for offensive rebounds when McDyess is in the post.

"I think they can complement each other for periods," D'Antoni said. "With Shaq (O'Neal) out there, we'll have to go to Jahidi White.

"But we can play Dice with Amare or behind Amare. We want (Stoudemire) to develop an all-around game. We want him to be like Kevin Garnett, to be a big inside presence."

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Almost every discussion about acquiring Dice has focused on what a louse he was and how his only value to the team will be th cap relief he would provide next summer. The general perspective was that they might take him back for the veteran minimum, but no more than that. The rational for that was that he would be a backup to Amare and compete with Harvey for the spot - and Harvey is really inexpenisve.

But what if Dice could play center? At 6'9" 245 he is about the same size as Amare. He used to be a great rebounder, post defender, with a good jump shot and low post skills. He is clearly not going to be as athletic as he used to be, but he could easily be more athletic than Voskuhl.

Voskuhl is making $1.5 million this year, $1.7 next year, and $1.9 the following year. He attracted a certain amount of attention last summer and has certainly contributed. He might be attractive to a team looking for a backup center at a reasonable price. (For example, the Clippers have Olden Polynice on their roster making $1 million who has played a total of 6 minutes).

Trading Voskuhl would free up playing time for Lampe. Dice is likely to be able to do much of what Voskuhl did plus he can shoot. If he can't play, then the Suns will end up using Amare and Carbakapa at the #5 and #4 slots. If Dice can play, then the money saved by trading Voskuhl would be available to pay Dice next year a bit more than the veteran minimum.

I Dice does not work out, then at least it would free up a little more money for the FA market.

Any thoughts?
 

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IMO Lampe is not ready to take the back up C position. I would like to see Jake play back-up PF in stead of Harvey.
 

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I guess it's possible, but I wouldn't like it.

I also think that Dice probably will rarely find time at the C position--Amare will bet he preferred choice at that position.
 

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There could be some good possibilities out there.

Voshkul is decent and has a good contract however he clearly doesn't have a lot of talent and seems to have reached his limits.

But teams would be interessted in him I think.

He could be used as trade bait in a bigger trade that saves us more money to go after Kobe.
 

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Originally posted by Chaplin
I guess it's possible, but I wouldn't like it.

I also think that Dice probably will rarely find time at the C position--Amare will bet he preferred choice at that position.
I also see Amare playing more center than McDyess. But as long as their both on the court I dont think it matters.


I Like Harveyas backup PF over Little Jake. Little Jake has improved alot but Harvey seems to have some descent moves under the hoop and he finishes well.
 

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If the Suns re-sign McDyess for any substantial amount of money I will really lose it. What, now that Hardaway is gone, they have to find another injury-prone former star with questionable heart?

I never liked McDyess, I didn't think he played terribly well for the Suns, I wasn't especially sorry to see him leave, and I certainly never wanted him back. Get him far, far away from this organization, as quickly as possible. I'd prefer that he not even play this season. All he's going to do is interfere with Stoudemire's development and compromise the Suns' lottery position.
 

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Mike D'Antoni won't let Dice interfere Amare's devellopment.

He will play both together. Amare can benefit a lot by competing against McDyess in practice on a daily basis and learning some things from him.

If they can resign McDyess for less than the MLE that is pretty good as long as it doesn't hurt their chances to make a run at Kobe.
 
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Originally posted by slinslin
Mike D'Antoni won't let Dice interfere Amare's devellopment.

He will play both together. Amare can benefit a lot by competing against McDyess in practice on a daily basis and learning some things from him.

If they can resign McDyess for less than the MLE that is pretty good as long as it doesn't hurt their chances to make a run at Kobe.

They can wait until after they have gone after their FA. They don't need a cap exemption because they can use the Bird exeption.
 

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Originally posted by George O'Brien
They can wait until after they have gone after their FA. They don't need a cap exemption because they can use the Bird exeption.

Actually, in order to go after a FA, they will have to renounce their rights to Dice, and thus lose the Bird Exception on him. I believe this is how it works, although I'm not too sure.
 

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I would be absolutely shocked if the Phoenix Suns re-signed Antonio McDyess for anything more than the veteran minimum. As far as Jake Voskuhl is concerned I don't think they would trade him unless they absolutely had to do it. He re-signed with Phoenix for less than he could have gotten elsewhere because he wanted to play here. And there's a big difference between the player like him accepting less and someone making the big NBA money doing it.

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Originally posted by Tank
Actually, in order to go after a FA, they will have to renounce their rights to Dice, and thus lose the Bird Exception on him. I believe this is how it works, although I'm not too sure.

You're right.

At most, I cannot see Dice being worht more than about $1.5 million, maybe less. But realistically, this is all speculation until we know if he is healthy. With a complete recovery, the Suns could not afford to keep him. With a relapse there would be no interest.
 

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Originally posted by Tank
Actually, in order to go after a FA, they will have to renounce their rights to Dice, and thus lose the Bird Exception on him.
That is correct.

In other words: forget McDyess!
Forever.
He is JUST an expiring contract.
 

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Why would you trade a guy that plays hard, doesn't complain, actually contributes and make 1.7 mil. Guys like this are a very important to good teams and pretty hard to find.
 

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Originally posted by devilalum
Why would you trade a guy that plays hard, doesn't complain, actually contributes and make 1.7 mil. Guys like this are a very important to good teams and pretty hard to find.

Exactly!
 

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Originally posted by slinslin
Amare can benefit a lot by competing against McDyess in practice on a daily basis and learning some things from him.


That is true. Im sure Amare was smoking Googs and anyone else who would step in front of him in practice. Someone needs to give him some comp!!
 
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Someone who was watching the game said Dice was not moving around very well. If he is not healthy, the whole issue is moot.
 

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