Suns 2024-2025 Season Discussions

[Cheesebeef]

sounds like bickley said kd hasn't been a good influence or some ish like that - i didn't hear the show but kd apparently took exception to it - kd deleted a bunch of tweets today too - mostly him arguing with irritated fans and twitter trolls

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I heard it… was the usual “Booker’s attitude and poor play is KD’s fault” bloviating we’ve seen here multiple times.

 

[BirdGangThing]

I heard it… was the usual “Booker’s attitude and poor play is KD’s fault” bloviating we’ve seen here multiple times.

just found (part of) it

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[BirdGangThing]

just found (part of) it

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GEEZ

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[Cheesebeef]

GEEZ

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He’s right about that part.

 

[BirdGangThing]

He’s right about that part.

about trading both at this point? totally

 

[Cheesebeef]

about trading both at this point? totally

Yup.

 

[BirdGangThing]

he's been playing some serious defense lately too

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[GatorAZ]

sounds like bickley said kd hasn't been a good influence or some ish like that - i didn't hear the show but kd apparently took exception to it - kd deleted a bunch of tweets today too - mostly him arguing with irritated fans and twitter trolls

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KD does this all the time. Someone will say something about him and he’ll tweet something but leave enough time until he deletes it to get his followers riled up. It’s basically his formula to control narratives.

 

[Phrazbit]

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KD does this all the time. Someone will say something about him and he’ll tweet something but leave enough time until he deletes it to get his followers riled up. It’s basically his formula to control narratives.

Also, he 'doesn't care' what any of these people thinks or about his legacy... but if you say something he disagrees with he might take a few hours out of his day to argue about it.

 

[Hoop Head]

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KD does this all the time. Someone will say something about him and he’ll tweet something but leave enough time until he deletes it to get his followers riled up. It’s basically his formula to control narratives.

The local media goes at everyone, no one is excluded. KD throws a tantrum to keep them from going at him though and claims it's unjust. That's why some guys like Eddie House don't even bother.

The local media is right about a lot and wrong a lot as well. They have a lot of hours to fill each week. It's virtually never personal. The last personal beef I recall was Gambo and the Morrii. To Gambo's credit he never hid that fact.

Whether anyone believes KD deserves all the blame or some of the blame, it's unreasonable to say he deserves none. This team paid a premium for him and has regressed annually. That's

 

[Cheesebeef]

Also, he 'doesn't care' what any of these people thinks or about his legacy... but if you say something he disagrees with he might take a few hours out of his day to argue about it.

He is def a Grade-A social media beeyatch.

 

[Phrazbit]

he's been playing some serious defense lately too

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I can't take stats like this seriously when I see some of the names listed. Kyle Kuzma is a doormat, easily one of the worst defenders in the league. He is in the negatives in win shares and value over replacement player, his defensive splits are awful. Even if it is just the "last 10 games", his stats with the Bucks are just as putrid as he was in Washington, and there is no way he is averaging 10 contests a game.

Goga plays 20 minutes a game and I am supposed to believe he has contested 100 shots in his last 10 games? Is he omnipresent or something?

More trashing on Kuzma though... good lord is he terrible. His splits the last 3 years are in the Beasley zone. He's bad at everything but he is particularly terrible at shooting and he LOVES to shoot.

 

[how_sweet_it_is]

I face a hypothetical dilemma. The Suns probably won't make the playoffs, much less win anything; but if they did, would I want them to? Would I feel pleased? No, not really. It would seem to be rewarding them for their regular season. I'm too ashamed of them to want that,

 

[Proximo]

sounds like bickley said kd hasn't been a good influence or some ish like that - i didn't hear the show but kd apparently took exception to it - kd deleted a bunch of tweets today too - mostly him arguing with irritated fans and twitter trolls

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KD can complain however much he wants, Booker is a worse player since he came here - and he's not just worse in terms of efficiency, he is worse in terms of his desire to win - and KD can like it or not he comes off as someone who doesn't care much about winning so people saying he is influencing Book is the logical conclusion.

 

[Proximo]

I face a hypothetical dilemma. The Suns probably won't make the playoffs, much less win anything; but if they did, would I want them to? Would I feel pleased? No, not really. It would seem to be rewarding them for their regular season. I'm too ashamed of them to want that,

They aren't making the playoffs so you don't have to worry about it.

 

[Proximo]

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KD does this all the time. Someone will say something about him and he’ll tweet something but leave enough time until he deletes it to get his followers riled up. It’s basically his formula to control narratives.

I don't think it's a formula at all. He is being real, he just lives in his own world where he thinks his great shot making makes up for all his other flaws as a player. It's human nature, we don't want to see our own faults.

 

[BirdGangThing]

channel 3 said suns are having a buy one get one free tickets for upcoming games - not just against other scrub teams - they mentioned boston

 

[leclerc]

25 games remaining on the schedule if I counted correctly. That's a painfully long time. Will all our 50 million+ stars stay healthy for the duration?

 

[Superbone]

channel 3 said suns are having a buy one get one free tickets for upcoming games - not just against other scrub teams - they mentioned boston

They also said they had $101 lower bowl tickets and when I looked for the Timberwolves game, none were to be had.

 

[Superbone]

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[Superbone]

Gambo said on KOC’s pod that before Mat Ishbia the Suns were willing to trade EITHER Cam and Mikal for KD or all the picks, but not both. Then Mat took over and immediately traded all of it.

I thought that was pretty obvious. James Jones had been working the deal for months and then Mat Ishbia took over and BOOM, the deal was done and we gave away everything.

 

[BirdGangThing]

beal isn't broken - when the ball goes thru him he's dropping 30 - and if we're not winning or drafting we might as well build beal's trade value back up

we'll get whatever we get for kd and book - teams will be searching after losing their close playoff series - they always do - timing is everything but so is the destination

thing is we have not one - not two - but three very expensive fiddles to hock but we can't take pawn shop offers - I have no clue what's going to happen this off-season but i honestly hope i don't recognize this team next season

but back to the trades-apoolza - idk if jj stays but if he does that bumbling fumbling ish(bia) better stay out of his freakin way - his impulse buys cost us the rest of this decade and it's only 2000 and freakin 25

but back to the trades - we have to find 3 different teams that want a $50 million dollar scorer - actually more than $50 because book a kd will be looking at new contracts soon

so three teams - all with money to burn - and every one of the three teams has to have enough quality first round draft picks to get the golden fiddle because we're done with the thirty-burgers - i know ish likes his ish right away but slow cooking is the only way out of this mess - and it's a lot funner to watch a young team grow then to watch whatever this is die - slowly and painfully night after night

 

[how_sweet_it_is]

They aren't making the playoffs so you don't have to worry about it.

I agree, but that's why I said hypothetical. If they had come out of the break and decided to play as though they cared, I would feel in a bind. It's an intellectual problem, not a practical problem.

Has any team in Suns history ever shown as little fight as this team? Did any Suns team ever roll over and die so early in the season? I'm not sure, but none ever wasted this much money.

 

[how_sweet_it_is]

For the entertainment and morale of all, I suggest reminiscing about past Suns teams that did show more fight than the 2024-25 team. I can think of several right away--

One is the 2013-14 team. I consider it the ultimate "lovable loser" team in Suns history. I suspect Suns management did not fully believe in it or take it seriously; yet only injuries kept it out of the playoffs. Damn it, that team would surely have made it in had Dragon or Bledsoe missed one or two fewer games. I was inspired by it and proud to root for it, just like I am ashamed and embarrassed at the 2024-25 team.

Another is the 1996-97 team, the first post-Barkley Suns team. Enmeshed in roster chaos (represented by the infamous Robert Horry throwing a towel in his coach's face), the team fell to a horrifying 0-13 record. Yet it somehow made the playoffs with a record of, I think, 44-38.

And how about the 2002-03 team, which lost in the first round but gave the Spurs a fight? The end of game 4--Penny Hardaway inbounding to Jake Voskuhl for a successful shot under the basket--had my mom and me jumping and hugging each other. No such thing ever happened this season.

And of course no one will forget the most never-give-up team in Suns history, the 1992-93 team. Phil Jackson noted how the Bulls had to win "the hard way" against it. It's the season that proves how much heart Charles Barkley had and how he was the leader that Devin Booker isn't.

Or the 1976 Finals team. The only reason you wouldn't know much about that team was if you're too young. I was, having been born in 1980. But I was so intrigued by that team's legend that years ago, I went to the rare books room at the Phoenix main library to read their non-circulating copy of The Little Team That Could, and took notes on it. It makes me want to call 2024-25 The Huge Team That Couldn't.

 

[Proximo]

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This is not new information. It's why I got so pissed that Matt butted in and gave away the farm needlessly.