Will we ever get OUR young franchise QB

[SissyBoyFloyd]

The next decade or two of young franchise QBs seem to be in place. In the last 2-3 yrs teams have set themselves up and seem settled in for the long haul with these next generation QBs. (followed by my take on them and who I compare them to)

Dolphins - Ryan Tannehill (good steady solid Romo type QB who already has Miami primed for many Super Bowl runs)

Colts - Andrew Luck (nothing to say except will his success winning Super Bowls be like Brady, or more like Manning)

Vikings - Teddy Bridgewater (fans are going to love this kid, he has the pocket presence of Brady, quick release of Kurt Warner, and the short throw accuracy of Matt Ryan)

Bucs - Jameis Winston (just picture Donovan McNabb with the accuracy of Kurt Warner - scary good!)

Raiders - Derek Carr (maybe the purest thrower of them all with the arm of Brett Favre. I love this kid even though, like Favre when young, many still have their doubts.)

Seahawks - Russell Wilson (already at top of his profession. Reminds me most of Russell Wilson - now that's a compliment in and of itself.)

Niners - Colin Kaepernick (hopefully he will find the right long term coach. In some games he resembles a combo of Montana and Young with the arm of Elway. If he can sustain that as his legacy, Niner fans will feel pretty fortunate.)

Jags - Blake Bortles (hard to evaluate when playing on such a bad team, yet many see his potential as high as any of the young QBs. Take your pick: he has been compared to a young Ryan, Favre, and Roethlisberger. I'll wait till he gets some weapons before comparing him to anyone.)

Not Quite in the Youngest Set of QBs:

Panthers - Cam Newton (question if he is really a long term starting QB by many, yet his stats will continue to excite fantasy football owners. His lack of accuracy remind me of McNabb late in his career.)

Redskins - RGIII (like Newton, they are not sure what they have after he has regressed after his first year in the league. How much of that is coaching changes is yet to be known. Physically reminds me a bit of Steve Young, but then again "I know Steve Young and he is no Steve Young.")

The Not Ready for Prime Time Young QBs:

Jets - Geno Smith (there is still some promise there. I just wonder if he is smart enough after watching some of his mental errors for two years now. Can't say he reminds me of anyone yet.)

Titans - Zach Mettenberger (a work in progress who I never saw as a franchise QB. I would hate to label him based on who he reminds me off. I will give him the benefit of the doubt before doing so.)

Bills - E J Manuel (seems like everyone has given up on this cat. The Bills, along with the Browns, may be the Cards biggest competition for a QB in the upcoming draft.)

Browns - No Body (how do you field a NFL team without a starting QB? Beats me.)

Texans - Who Knows (Such a good team not to have a legit franchise QB. They remind me a lot of the Cards in the way they are willing to try anybody at the position. They need to trade for a legit older starter. Can you say Drew Brees? I actually believe the Manning trade inquiry was for real. It would make total sense.)

 

[Phrazbit]

Good call to wait on Blake Bortles. As of now he reminds me most of Johnny Utah when he was coming out of college, but he might flame out like Shane Falco.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Mettenberger will never see the field again, baring an injury to Marriota.

 

[Stout]

Mettenberger will never see the field again, baring an injury to Marriota.

Assuming Marriota isn't a ginormous bust.

 

[Solar7]

I would say the verdict is very much still out on those QBs. Tannehill has them primed to win Super Bowls? How about he takes them to the playoffs first?

Bridgewater and Carr have potential but still aren't sure things by any stretch yet. One solid blow to their confidence could leave them in the bottom half of the league's QBs.

Winston has stolen more crab legs than he's thrown NFL passes. Let's not annoint him yet.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Cam Newton is a franchise QB.

Also, who else does Russell Wilson remind you of other than Russell Wilson .

 

[HeavyB3]

Mettenberger will never see the field again, baring an injury to Marriota.

Come on. You know as soon as he throws 3 picks in a game The Whiz is going to start shuffling QBs

 

[bankybruce]

Assuming Marriota isn't a ginormous bust.

He was the #2 pick, Mettenberger and Whiz will be long gone before the Titans admit he is one if he turns out to be one.

 

[cardsfanmd]

You lost me at Tannehill having the Dolphins primed for many Super Bowl runs.

 

[Phrazbit]

I admire what Sissyboy has done here the last few years. Its been a very patient game. He spent ages building up his reputation as a weirdo, out of touch with reality, with those looney polls, one after another after another. Got it to where anytime he posted the reaction was one of hostility or mocking, now he is taking it to the next step and just flat out trolling but he does not have the reputation of a troll, rather he is a nut, so people take these posts at their face value, actually engaging in mocking or debating someone who just compared almost every young QB in the league to an ideal mix of several hall of famers.

Meanwhile I'm sure he was cracking up as he compared Russell Wilson to Russell Wilson.

 

[Stout]

He was the #2 pick, Mettenberger and Whiz will be long gone before the Titans admit he is one if he turns out to be one.

That doesn't mean Mettenberger won't see the field again if Marriota busts; it just means KW probably won't be around to see it.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

No, we won't...

 

[TJ]

The next decade or two of young franchise QBs seem to be in place. In the last 2-3 yrs teams have set themselves up and seem settled in for the long haul with these next generation QBs. (followed by my take on them and who I compare them to)


Colts - Andrew Luck (nothing to say except will his success winning Super Bowls be like Brady, or more like Manning)

Seahawks - Russell Wilson (already at top of his profession. Reminds me most of Russell Wilson - now that's a compliment in and of itself.)

I edited your post to reflect only the true QBoFs your OP presents.

Tannehill may get the Phins to a couple of 9-10 win seasons. Superbowl? Uhh no.

Winston hasn't taken any snaps at the professional level. Not sure where he fits the Warner mold at all.

Kaep's abilities and leadership are coming into question

I took out Carr, Bortles, and Teddy-B for you, but I would venture to guess at least 2 of the 3 will eventually pan out.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I admire what Sissyboy has done here the last few years. Its been a very patient game. He spent ages building up his reputation as a weirdo, out of touch with reality, with those looney polls, one after another after another. Got it to where anytime he posted the reaction was one of hostility or mocking, now he is taking it to the next step and just flat out trolling but he does not have the reputation of a troll, rather he is a nut, so people take these posts at their face value, actually engaging in mocking or debating someone who just compared almost every young QB in the league to an ideal mix of several hall of famers.

Meanwhile I'm sure he was cracking up as he compared Russell Wilson to Russell Wilson.

Bahahahahahahahahh

 

[Mitch]

As much as it would be nice to have the QBOF already in the mix, the next 2-3 years belong to Carson Palmer, provided he can stay healthy.

While I and others have been expressing an interest in trading for QB Mike Glennon---the timing of him becoming a UFA in two years might be perfect.

Zach Mettenberger is another trade possibility---the wait for him to become a UFA is 3 years.

The winner of this year's #3 QB competition between Logan Thomas, Chandler Harnish and Phil Sims might be ready to compete for the #2 job next year and the starting job the following year, but right now all of that seems like a long shot.

Interestingly, Drew Stanton has recently stated that he would like to re-sign with the Cardinals, which would imply that he's fine with making #2 QB money. One would think Stanton's best shot at being a starter is when he turns a UFA next year, although, at his age, he might be thinking very realistically that his niche as as a top #2 is his wisest option.

Stanton's situation is worth watching because if the Cardinals do not re-sign Stanton, maybe we will see Steve Keim trade for Glennon or Mettenberger or use a high draft pick next spring to get the ball rolling on a QBOF.

Fact: since I have been a Cardinals' fan in 1963....the Cardinals have only drafted a QB in the 1st round on these occasions:

1965: Joe Namath, Alabama (of course, he signed with the Jets of the AFL)
1977: Steve Pisarkiewicz, Missouri
1987: Kelly Stouffer, Colorado St.
2006: Matt Leinart, USC

Of those 4 QBs---the Cardinals only got 38 starts (SP-4, KS-16, ML-18)---to the tune of a 15-23 record.

In 1992---the Cardinals drafted QB Tony Sacca of Penn. St. with their 1st pick in that draft which was in the 2nd round. Sacca never started a game at QB.

With this track record of drafting QBs in the 1st round or with their first pick in the draft---perhaps the Cardinals should stick to adding QBs in free agency (Warner) or trading for a veteran (Palmer).

Come to think of it---unless the Cardinals have the rare opportunity to draft a 1st Round QB like Ben Roethlisberger or Andrew Luck, with BA as HC, he is going to want a QB with experience.

The best QBs the Cardinals have had since 1963:

* Charlie Johnson---1960 10th Rounder (#106) from New Mexico St.
* Jim Hart---1966 Undrafted from Southern Illinois
* Neil Lomax---1981 2nd Round (#33) from Portland St.
* Jake Plummer---1997 2nd Round (#42) from Arizona St.
* Kurt Warner---1994 Undrafted from Northern Iowa
* Carson Palmer---2003 1st Round (#1) from USC

The Cardinals' QB Mitchbys:

Best Game Manager: Charlie Johnson
Best Deep Passer: Jim Hart
Most Accurate Arm: Neil Lomax
Best Scrambler: Jake Plummer
Toughest, Smartest and Most Productive: Kurt Warner
Best Winning Percentage and Strongest Arm: Carson Palmer

Ironically, the only 1st round QB to help lead the Cardinals to the playoffs is Carson Palmer and he could not play due to injury.

 

[Mitch]

QB Carson Wentz 6-6, 231, North Dakota St.

How about Carson grooming another Carson in 2016 as the Cardinals' QBOF:

* Superb size
* Very good arm strength and vision
* Excellent mobility
* Highly efficient passer
* Played big in playoffs---scored 2014 Championship Game winner on 5 yard run
* Throws very well on the run---especially well moving to his left, which for RH QBs is usually a struggle
* Good leadership qualities

Check out the video (mostly his playoff games)---good interview with him at the end after winning the FSC Championship.

Great escape under pressure a little after the 10:00 mark:

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[Cbus cardsfan]

How about Carson grooming another Carson in 2016 as the Cardinals' QBOF:

* Superb size
* Very good arm strength and vision
* Excellent mobility
* Highly efficient passer
* Played big in playoffs---scored 2014 Championship Game winner on 5 yard run
* Throws very well on the run---especially well moving to his left, which for RH QBs is usually a struggle
* Good leadership qualities

Check out the video (mostly his playoff games)---good interview with him at the end after winning the FSC Championship.

Great escape under pressure a little after the 10:00 mark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XpUJ84H5Oo

I think this may be the guy my scout friend was talking to me about awhile back. He said there was a kid from N. Dakota that may be as good as any QB coming along in the near future.

 

[cardpa]

The fact that he currently takes snaps from under center is certainly a plus. I also like the way he drops back all the while keeping his eyes downfield. Nice quick release although a bit low however that can be fixed. Of course being 6'-6" helps.

Seems to see the field well and finds his second and third options. I liked Hackenberg out of PSU however I think this kid shows a little more.

 

[Mitch]

The fact that he currently takes snaps from under center is certainly a plus. I also like the way he drops back all the while keeping his eyes downfield. Nice quick release although a bit low however that can be fixed. Of course being 6'-6" helps.

Seems to see the field well and finds his second and third options. I liked Hackenberg out of PSU however I think this kid shows a little more.

Good points, C-PA. The sideline rope he threw 35 yards on the fade route is an NFL throw. As was the game-winning TD late in the 4th (versus South Dakota St. in first round of FCS playoffs) to the back left corner of the end zone.

In the NFL he will need time obviously to adjust to the speed of his WRs and to the speed of the game---but he plays within himself and he seems to have very good instincts.

 

[splitsecond]

From what I can tell he was a bit of a late bloomer. He was listed as 6'1" 155 lbs as a Jr in high school

 

[Goldfield]

Good find Mitch. Interesting prospect.

 

[cardpa]

Good points, C-PA. The sideline rope he threw 35 yards on the fade route is an NFL throw. As was the game-winning TD late in the 4th (versus South Dakota St. in first round of FCS playoffs) to the back left corner of the end zone.

In the NFL he will need time obviously to adjust to the speed of his WRs and to the speed of the game---but he plays within himself and he seems to have very good instincts.

Another thing that came to mind and I couldn't put my finger on it at the time of my post is I realized there are several plays that he is shown taking a snap under center and dropping straight back without any play action. You hardly see that anymore even in the NFL. Look at the 25 second mark, the ball is pad high and then the last step of the drop back sets so he can push off his back leg to get more into the throw. His foot work seems solid. Seems like every throw he gets push off the back foot. Linemen would love him. I timed about 15 of his passes and none were more than 4 seconds and most were under 3 seconds so he gets the ball out fast. I would like to see what his INTs looked like. How and why they happened.

 

[Buckybird]

I bet he has a longer career as a QB than Blowgan Thomas & looks MUCHO better already. So we draft this kid in rounds 1, 2 or 3 since we threw away a #4 on that VA trash

 

[Buckybird]

I think this may be the guy my scout friend was talking to me about awhile back. He said there was a kid from N. Dakota that may be as good as any QB coming along in the near future.

Time to start asking questions or maybe not just in case Bortles blows lol

Btw are you still goin to the MNF Ravens game Cbus?

 

[AZCrazy]

Looks and moves like Foles.