Williams over Fitz = Common sense

[CaptTurbo]

Come on guys M. William is what 6'5????????? For god's sake its a no brainer. That speed and size = unstoppable for almost 95% of the corners in the league.

PLEASE draft M Williams over Fitz.

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

Come on guys M. William is what 6'5????????? For god's sake its a no brainer. That speed and size = unstoppable for almost 95% of the corners in the league.

PLEASE draft M Williams over Fitz.

Many give the edge to Mike Williams because of the speed issue.

However...some give Fitz a point or two because he's a better route runner....is a better blocker...and has MAYBE better hands.

I'm with ya....I have Williams with a slight edge....but guys on another thread said Al Davis likes Roy Williams and will pass on both.

DG won't pass on Fitz for either Williams.

Now.....will he pass on them for Eli or Big Ben.....doubtful as well....but no one picked Pace or BJ last year for our pick.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Come on guys M. William is what 6'5????????? For god's sake its a no brainer. That speed and size = unstoppable for almost 95% of the corners in the league.

PLEASE draft M Williams over Fitz.

I thought you never watch college sports. How would you know who's better?

I think they're both going to be very good, but whichever Denny thinks fits our offense the best is who we should go with.

 

[azdad1978]

Come on guys M. William is what 6'5????????? For god's sake its a no brainer. That speed and size = unstoppable for almost 95% of the corners in the league.

PLEASE draft M Williams over Fitz.

I don't know I'm torn between Fitz and Williams. Fitz is NFL ready and can come in and play like Quan did last year. MW has the best potential. Either way I'll leave it to Green to make the right decision.

 

[Pariah]

If we're hellbent on drafting a WR at the top of this draft, this is a good year for it. I don't know that I'd have much to complain about with any of the top three.

Unlike a lot of you guys, my favorite is Roy Williams because of his potential. Fitz is the "safest," but I also think he could end up being the most pedestrian. Mike Williams is an attractive prospect because of his size, but I worry about his youth--how mature is he?

 

[vikesfan]

Come on guys M. William is what 6'5????????? For god's sake its a no brainer. That speed and size = unstoppable for almost 95% of the corners in the league.

PLEASE draft M Williams over Fitz.

4.6 on a FAST track that is very stoppable.
He will be dynamite on slant patterns though.
You want to take a slant reciever with the #3. Well maybe if Fitz is gone but if he is not then common sense says take Fitz.

Fitz is just a couple inches shorter and couple pound lighter and is faster. More polished. Able to get deep on moves and speed. Able to score TDs. Able to make sick catches. Was way more productive in school. Has less chance to bust.
Common sense says take Fitz. M Williams might end up being a heck of a TE though.

 

[azdad1978]

If we're hellbent on drafting a WR at the top of this draft, this is a good year for it. I don't know that I'd have much to complain about with any of the top three.

Unlike a lot of you guys, my favorite is Roy Williams because of his potential. Fitz is the "safest," but I also think he could end up being the most pedestrian. Mike Williams is an attractive prospect because of his size, but I worry about his youth--how mature is he?

I like RW because he will compliment Quan on the other side as the true burner but the Hammy problems he had at college is what makes me leary about him. It took how many years till Isaac Bruce to finally play without his hammy problems.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

4.6 on a FAST track that is very stoppable.
He will be dynamite on slant patterns though.
You want to take a slant reciever with the #3. Well maybe if Fitz is gone but if he is not then common sense says take Fitz.

Fitz is just a couple inches shorter and couple pound lighter and is faster. More polished. Able to get deep on moves and speed. Able to score TDs. Able to make sick catches. Was way more productive in school. Has less chance to bust.
Common sense says take Fitz. M Williams might end up being a heck of a TE though.

Wow we agree on something!




Except the MW as A TE

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

If we're hellbent on drafting a WR at the top of this draft, this is a good year for it. I don't know that I'd have much to complain about with any of the top three.

Unlike a lot of you guys, my favorite is Roy Williams because of his potential. Fitz is the "safest," but I also think he could end up being the most pedestrian. Mike Williams is an attractive prospect because of his size, but I worry about his youth--how mature is he?

Yeah....Fitz and the Williams boys afore mentioned are not the only first rounders. Reggie Williams of Washington and Clayton of LSU are solid...and I'm not so sure Jenkins of Ohio State and Evans of Wisconsin aren't first rounders with Woods of Okl. St. and Henderson (LSU) as well as Berrian (Fresno St.) real close to the first.

 

[azdad1978]

4.6 on a FAST track that is very stoppable.
He will be dynamite on slant patterns though.
You want to take a slant reciever with the #3. Well maybe if Fitz is gone but if he is not then common sense says take Fitz.

Fitz is just a couple inches shorter and couple pound lighter and is faster. More polished. Able to get deep on moves and speed. Able to score TDs. Able to make sick catches. Was way more productive in school. Has less chance to bust.
Common sense says take Fitz. M Williams might end up being a heck of a TE though.

MW won't moved to TE since TE don't get paid as much like the WR's do. Somebody will take MW and use him as a WR. Why draft a player and then switch his position? If you draft a WR play him on WR spot.

 

[vikesfan]

Wow we agree on something!




Except the MW as A TE

Joking.

 

[Lex]

I also think Roy Williams is the best prospect at this time. I would pick him before Fitz, but Roy will go first, and Fitz could turn out to be the best of the lot, considering his maturity and the mentoring he's received.

I'm very leery about Mike Williams. What's he afraid of? His decision to come out after one year in college, in a year where his position is loaded with talent in this draft makes no sense at all. It's like a panic move IMO.

We'll take Fitz, his dad, Denny's freind, will move out here and have the most successful Cardinals radio program in the valley.

It's all good.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

4.6 on a FAST track that is very stoppable.
Fitz is just a couple inches shorter and couple pound lighter and is faster. More polished. Able to get deep on moves and speed. Able to score TDs. Able to make sick catches. Was way more productive in school. Has less chance to bust.

Fitzgerald:

161 catches 2,677 yards 16.6 ypc 34 TDs

Williams:

176 catches 2,579 yards 14.7 ypc 30 TDs

Williams also only started two games as a freshman.

 

[azdad1978]

We'll take Fitz, his dad, Denny's freind, will move out here and have the most successful Cardinals radio program in the valley.

It's all good.

Hopefully he goes to 1060 since that is the flagship of the Cardinal.

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

Fitzgerald:

161 catches 2,677 yards 16.6 ypc 34 TDs

Williams:

176 catches 2,579 yards 14.7 ypc 30 TDs

I'm not knocking Rutherford.....but Williams probably had the best QB arm throwing at him.

What impresses me most about Fitz is what I've seen on the telly.

He catches poorly thrown balls.

That may be a plus if Josh gets nervous.

 

[azdad1978]

I'm not knocking Rutherford.....but Williams probably had the best QB arm throwing at him.

What imprsees me most about Fitz is what I've seen on the telly.

He catches poorly thrown balls.

That may be a plus if Josh gets nervous.

MW made Palmer look good in USC. Leinart will miss MW in college. The thing about Fitz is he has a decent QB throwing to him and he's the only offense but he still produce in college. I'm not saying MW didn't produce in college, but MW has better talent in his team than Fitz.

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

MW made Palmer look good in USC. Leinart will miss MW in college. The thing about Fitz is he has a decent QB throwing to him and he's the only offense but he still produce in college. I'm not saying MW didn't produce in college, but MW has better talent in his team than Fitz.

Could be...but who would you rather have as your QB....Palmer or Rutherford?

 

[azdad1978]

Could be...but who would you rather have as your QB....Palmer or Rutherford?

Leftwich

 

[john h]

Many give the edge to Mike Williams because of the speed issue.

However...some give Fitz a point or two because he's a better route runner....is a better blocker...and has MAYBE better hands.

I'm with ya....I have Williams with a slight edge....but guys on another thread said Al Davis likes Roy Williams and will pass on both.

DG won't pass on Fitz for either Williams.

Now.....will he pass on them for Eli or Big Ben.....doubtful as well....but no one picked Pace or BJ last year for our pick.

One thing that no one seems to be considering is the Graves factor. Graves is not going down and play dead come draft day. Green may want Fitz but Graves may not and they may have to reach some compromise unless Green was given assurances he would make the draft calls. (I really doubt that)

 

[azdad1978]

One thing that no one seems to be considering is the Graves factor. Graves is not going down and play dead come draft day. Green may want Fitz but Graves may not and they may have to reach some compromise unless Green was given assurances he would make the draft calls. (I really doubt that)

I think Skorrp reported that Graves always listen to his head coach and usually gives in to what the head coach want on draft day.

 

[joeshmo]

Come on guys M. William is what 6'5????????? For god's sake its a no brainer. That speed and size = unstoppable for almost 95% of the corners in the league.

PLEASE draft M Williams over Fitz.

Illogical thinking IMO, not the draft Williams over Fitz idea because its your opinion but what is illogical is to base your opinion on a guy over another guy based only on size and speed becuase it only paints 20% of the pitcure. If size and speed were the only thing to judge a player on we would have never drafted Boldin, Rice would have never been drafted and countless other good WR's.

You also have to put into the picture: Hands, route running, leaping, agility, production, and intangibles.

All of these numbers came from nfl.com and official teams web sites. This is what you should base your opinion on as well as watching a little bit of film on the 2. A couple of the categories are subjective and are my own opinions based on film and scouting reports.

Size - M.Williams(6-4 5/8, 228), Fitz(6-3 1/8, 221)

Edge - M.Williams

Speed - M.Williams(4.56 with the wind and 4.62 against the wind), Fitz(ran his 40s in 4.51 and 4.47)

Edge - Fitz

Hands - From watching these 2 play and and reading everyting about them I think the edge goes to.

Edge - Even

Route Running - From watching these 2 play and reading articles about them the edge goes to.(in fact this seems to be one of M.Willimas weaknesses)

Edge - Fitz

Leaping - M.Williams(37-inch vertical jump), Fitz(35-inch vertical)

Edge - M.Williams

Agility - M.Williams(4.34 short shuttle and a 6.84 three-cone), Fitz(a 4.27 short shuttle and a 6.97 three-cone drill)

Edge - Even

Production - M.Williams 2 year stats(rec. 176, yards 2579, avg. 14.65, TD's, 30), Fitz 2 year stats(rec. 171, yards 2677, avg. 15.66, TD's 34)

Edge - Fitz

Strength - M.Williams(18 reps), Fitz(20 reps)

Edge - Fitz

Explosivness - M.Williams(10-1 long jump), Fitz(10-1 Long Jump)

Edge - Even

Intangibles - Every article I read says that coaches are amazed about how good of a head Fitz has on his shoulders.

Edge - Fitz

 

[NavyVet]

I'm not knocking Rutherford.....but Williams probably had the best QB arm throwing at him.

What imprsees me most about Fitz is what I've seen on the telly.

He catches poorly thrown balls.

That may be a plus if Josh gets nervous.

Rutherford wasn't the issue. The Pitt O-Line was. Opponents quickly discovered that, and once they started double and sometimes triple-teaming Fitz, they effectively shutdown the offense.

Being a Pitt fan I saw a lot of Fitzgerald. He is no doubt NFL ready. He's not a lot of flash, but he has great hand and body control and he's a gamer, and that means a lot more to me than how fast he can run a straight 40-yard dash. Most overrated stat of them all. Doesn't mean a hill of beans how fast your 40-time is when you don't factor factor in contact, cuts, and patterns. Some pretty fast people get awfully slow when they start getting hit.

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

Rutherford wasn't the issue. The Pitt O-Line was. Opponents quickly discovered that, and once they started double and sometimes triple-teaming Fitz, they effectively shutdown the offense.

Being a Pitt fan I saw a lot of Fitzgerald. He is no doubt NFL ready. He's not a lot of flash, but he has great hand and body control and he's a gamer, and that means a lot more to me than how fast he can run a straight 40-yard dash. Most overrated stat of them all. Doesn't mean a hill of beans how fast your 40-time is when you don't factor factor in contact, cuts, and patterns. Some pretty fast people get awfully slow when they start getting hit.

Well said Navy Fan.

Fitz looks like a linebacker.

 

[vikesfan]

One thing that no one seems to be considering is the Graves factor. Graves is not going down and play dead come draft day. Green may want Fitz but Graves may not and they may have to reach some compromise unless Green was given assurances he would make the draft calls. (I really doubt that)

Vikesfan Menu.

Menu item #4: DG does make the call on player personnel.

Graves is not a player personnel guy. Green is one of the best. He was voted the best in the NFL from 95-2000. There is no way DG comes here if he doesn't have the call on the players. Graves might have "final say" but I seriously doubt the man who drafted Johnson/Pace is going to be telling the man who drafted Culpepper, Birk, Bennett, Steussie, Stringer, Moss, B Johnson, Kleinsasser, R Smith, Stringer, E McDaniel, etc who to take in the draft - especially after that man said the Cards should have taken Suggs last year! I think DG was given the assurance he would make the calls on players (see Josh, see the FA list he made up, see Blake etc)!

Graves I believe has to give final approval and if he is not going to do that, then why hire DG who demands personnel decisions? He could have hired a coach who is not into personnel decisions like DG is - like Fassel for eg.

DG has never forgotten that Vikes management would not let him draft Sapp. He then took over personnel so that would never happen again just in time to take Moss!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

4.6 on a FAST track that is very stoppable.
He will be dynamite on slant patterns though.
You want to take a slant reciever with the #3. Well maybe if Fitz is gone but if he is not then common sense says take Fitz.

Fitz is just a couple inches shorter and couple pound lighter and is faster. More polished. Able to get deep on moves and speed. Able to score TDs. Able to make sick catches. Was way more productive in school. Has less chance to bust.
Common sense says take Fitz. M Williams might end up being a heck of a TE though.

yeah, just don't see it as that clear cut. first of all - 3 inches is a LOT! 6'5 is HUGE. and 10 pounds at the wr positions is a lot also. you flick those off as if they're dust, they're not. as for speed, if you lined 'em up against one and other i'd bet they'd finish in a dead heat.

as for polish and productivity, i think you're mad. mike williams was the greatest weapon on a national champion squad. and he wasn't productive? ridiculous. and sick catches? none were sicker than m williams' one-handed snatch in the back of the end zone.

i think they're a wash and would be stoked with either one (but only if dg is actually able to turn coal-mccown into a diamond-stud qb, 'cuz if he can't and we pass on a manning or rothasdknfaoaierger i'll be PISSED).