With our 1st pick........Clint Sintim?

[WildBB]

I have been a Sintim fan for a while

He doesnt have the eye popping speed or athleticism that would propel him into the top of the first round, but is one of those guys who is better in pads than he is in shorts. Excellent on field production. You get the sense that while his upside might be a limited, his downside is as well -- overall, a pretty safe pick.

I have seen mocks and rankings that put him anywhere from #15 overall to the bottom of round 2.

Michael Johnson is the exact opposite. He has the eye popping athleticism and quicks along with intiguing size. His problem is that he runs hot and cold. Making plays one moment/game -- dissapearing the next. His upside is Osi Umenoriya (sp?), his downside is out of the league in three years.

His projections are right in that #25 to #45 range. Probably Simtim as well.

He belongs in that 35-45range. Probably Sintim as well.

 

[cgolden]

I have been a Sintim fan for a while

He doesnt have the eye popping speed or athleticism that would propel him into the top of the first round, but is one of those guys who is better in pads than he is in shorts. Excellent on field production. You get the sense that while his upside might be a limited, his downside is as well -- overall, a pretty safe pick.

I have seen mocks and rankings that put him anywhere from #15 overall to the bottom of round 2.

Michael Johnson is the exact opposite. He has the eye popping athleticism and quicks along with intiguing size. His problem is that he runs hot and cold. Making plays one moment/game -- dissapearing the next. His upside is Osi Umenoriya (sp?), his downside is out of the league in three years.

His projections are right in that #25 to #45 range.

That's exactly how I see Sintim. He doesn't have that unlimited potential that some other athletes have but he's a player and he'll have a long career in the NFL.

 

[WildBB]

That's exactly how I see Sintim. He doesn't have that unlimited potential that some other athletes have but he's a player and he'll have a long career in the NFL.

I'm saying we can find fairly equal talent 2-3rd rounds.
All depends on FA, I guess what they want to target hard. I do think a big trend in the NFL is addressing more the OL earlier rather than later in the draft.

If it was me and a target OL'man fell or the RB I want, I'd go that way 1st.

Then RB, C, or OLB 2nd. Then whatever position I didn't take yet in the 3rd.

With all that being said a S/CB would have to be in the mix early as well if we don't ink McFadden. That's why his signing is critical and we might have to pay a little more than others are willing to go.

 

[cgolden]

With all that being said a S/CB would have to be in the mix early as well if we don't ink McFadden. That's why his signing is critical and we might have to pay a little more than others are willing to go.

Completely agree with that statement. They've got to upgrade the third level of the defense before next season. Whether that upgrade comes from a free agent signing or a early draft pick, I don't really care.

We can't go into the season with DRC, Hood, Ralph Brown (who's still a FA so he might be gone), Rolle and A-dub as the nickel package. When they go dime it's even worse if Francisco gets on the field and Rolle slides down to corner. Depth, Depth, Depth.....we need it.

 

[Doc Cardinal]

If Johnson is there then maybe we take a chance at an RB later.
sidbury would be a nice 3rd or 4th round pick as would OLB Marcus Freeman of Ohio State.

 

[lobo]

They said he had alot of trouble adjusting to OLB at the Senior Bowl.

Is a 3/4 guy....they didn't play a 3/4 in that game. He is actually fast, contrary to a previous post....won't be around for team in round 2. I believe Va played a 3/4 his whole career. A nice pick for someone.

 

[Stout]

Shipley is also short for a center at 6 ft 1 inch. Most of the other available centers are 6 ft 4 inches. I would prefer Mack, Unger, Woods or Lugis over him.

Sure, but if we wait on a C until the 4th, those guys will probably be gone, and I think Shipley will do well as a pro.

 

[WildBB]

Is a 3/4 guy....they didn't play a 3/4 in that game. He is actually fast, contrary to a previous post....won't be around for team in round 2. I believe Va played a 3/4 his whole career. A nice pick for someone.

The times were really down a great deal in the combine overall this year. You did have Heywood-Bey post a 4.30 though, so I don't know what gives.

But Sintim to be a legit 1st round OLB will need a better time on his pro-day, mtl, because he didn't really participate in many of the skill drills at the combine.

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/2009/nfl_combine_results.cfm?pos=OLB

Never the less they give him a good writeup here and have him rated their #26 prospect overall. He's right there at the end of the 1st round and very obviously a viable candidate as a 3-4 OLB.

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/2009/nfl_combine_results.cfm?pos=OLB

 

[ItsInTheCards]

I'd rather have Connor Barwin. I think he's going to make a great transition to OLB, and will be much like Mike Vrabel

goal line TE as well

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The reason i like JOhnson better is simply because he's the better athlete and has more potential. The risk is that he also has more potential to be a bust. However,i think once he gets NFL coaching that he will excel. To me, he's an absolute steal at 31. When do you ver see guys with his athleticism and talent around that late. In fact, he'll probablt be gone. I read somehwere that Gruden said during the combine that Johnson was a Julius Peppers type talent.

 

[WildBB]

Heres another OLB if available in Round 3 would be a steal. He had a very ood career in a big program. Marcus Freeman. OSU

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1287

Along with Sidbury, that would be three candidates in the 3rd along with Follett. Cal.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Shipley is also short for a center at 6 ft 1 inch. Most of the other available centers are 6 ft 4 inches. I would prefer Mack, Unger, Woods or Lugis over him.

A center's height is really inconsequential though. If anything, you'd rather they be short, so that they have a lower center of gravity and thus the edge on their opponent in the leverage department.

Shipley seems to be a real student of the game too. I'd be more than pleased with him in the fourth, but I think he'll likely be gone by then.

I'm also intrigued by Caldwell.

 

[WildBB]

I'd rather have Connor Barwin. I think he's going to make a great transition to OLB, and will be much like Mike Vrabel

goal line TE as well

Barwin could concievably make a move into the first round. Everyone is raving about Michael Johnsons athletisism. Look at Barwins!

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/2009/nfl_combine_results.cfm?pos=DE

 

[Stout]

The reason i like JOhnson better is simply because he's the better athlete and has more potential. The risk is that he also has more potential to be a bust. However,i think once he gets NFL coaching that he will excel. To me, he's an absolute steal at 31. When do you ver see guys with his athleticism and talent around that late. In fact, he'll probablt be gone. I read somehwere that Gruden said during the combine that Johnson was a Julius Peppers type talent.

How have the workout warriors/athletic freaks that didn't produce in college done at the next level, historically?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

How have the workout warriors/athletic freaks that didn't produce in college done at the next level, historically?

but he did produce in college to the tune of 1st teamm all ACC, 17 1/2 tackles for loss, and 9 sacks his senior year. Going into the year he was considered the #1 DE prospect, and #5 overall, so he did disapppoint somewhat his senior year even though it's hard to tell by those numbers.

 

[Stout]

but he did produce in college to the tune of 1st teamm all ACC, 17 1/2 tackles for loss, and 9 sacks his senior year. Going into the year he was considered the #1 DE prospect, and #5 overall, so he did disapppoint somewhat his senior year even though it's hard to tell by those numbers.

That's why the experts point at his film as proof that he's an underachiever? I dunno. There's a disconnect somewhere. If all I hear out of the NFL network is that he's a workout warrior with an iffy on-field body of work, then I don't want to touch him in rd 1.