I keep hearing that we need an offensive coach to bring out the most of our great talent. We are very lacking at the skill positions. We have two possession receivers that are as good or better than most. That's it folks. We have no speed receiver, no tight end who can catch and run, and an overrated running back who fumbles on contact. We also have a learning, soon to be great QB. Most teams have much more than this. That's why we don't score. The malligned offensive line is giving Leinert time to throw. But it's going to one of two guys who aren't going deep. A fresh running back, a tight end who can catch and run and a speed "Ginn" receiver to stretch would put us on par with other teams.
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Steve Smith from USC is better and probably goes in round 3-4.
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I disagree. We have two of the best WR in the game today and the best tandem of WR's. Teams know they are going to get thrown at and they still catch the ball 10 times a game. These two guys are Canton bound. We don't have a speed receiver and I would argue that we don't need one as long as we have these guys(look at how they moved the ball against the bears in the first half, that's how the offense should look).
If and when the line gets fixed the Edge will be fine. He's doing all he can with a crap line and even crappier coaching. The HC quit on this team, that must be disheartening. I imagine these players quit as well. Pope will be fine give him time.
The only skill posistion we are seriously lacking is CB. This can be fixed through free agency hopefully. We are hurting on DE and could use another linebacker, I am hopeful that this will be fixed in the draft in April and through FA. Remember the Saints last year were 3-13. Now sit back and enjoy the Kool-Aid!
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the Cards need CB, FS (oh man, what I would do for a reasonable trade down and a Landry pick), prob a LE (Okeafor MUST take a paycut, or take a hike), WLB (unless Dansby moves from SLB)
it would be interesting if they moved Wells to LT to see if he could handle the RE speed rushers, as Matt's blindside has to be protected by an above average RT.
the good thing about the oline is that their signing bonuses are low, so if the new coach comes in and wants to completely overhaul it, the cap hit will be fairly minimal
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Move Rolle to FS it should cut down on his PI's and he shouldn't get burnt as much and he will be able to hit people. Sign Clements, A. Thomas @ LB, move Davis to LG, draft Joe Thomas at LT, Wells @ center.
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How about using M. Brown at C, Duece and Big at G, Wells at RT and Gorin at LT? If Gorin can start for the Pats for almost 2 years, why can he not start for us?
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Disagree. We do need a speed receiver for a few reasons. First, have Q and Fitz both completed a full season since DG was hired? IIRC whenever one of them goes down the opposing D then knows where the pass is going to. Also didn't DG have a 3 WR set in Minny with Moss as the deep threat? Seemed to have worked pretty good for him there. Wouldn't a legitimate deep threat put even more fear and hesitation in the opposing D? Also if we can stretch the field even more wouldn't that perhaps open up the rush for us?
CardinalChris
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Both of our deep threats are on injured reserve.
Who are they?
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I don't know who the 2nd guy is, but LeRon McCoy is on IR. He was pushing BJ for the 3rd spot until he got injured. He a better fit than BJ for that 3rd spot, because he's one of the fastest players on the team.
Another thing. There are several threads (including this) on re-building the OL, and I'm puzzled over some of the comments.
Leinart is left-handed! That means that our blindside OT is the RT - NOT the LT! If we draft Joe Thomas etc., he would become the RT!
Wells has great feet and is a "finesse" O-Lineman. He only fits two positions in our scheme. C and RT (the blindside OT). He would NOT Fit at LT (the frontside)
Speaking of the frontside. Have anyone noticed how Big has settled in over the last couple of games. On paper, there's isn't that much difference between the front and blindside OT, BUT the mental pressure is much, much bigger on the blindside, because that player can't miss a block - EVER!
Big has had some of that pressure taken away from him and defenses cannot bring the same pressure anymore, because Leinart is getting better at beating the blitz. Big has been playing very well, since he became the frontside OT.
And what's this talk about moving Milford to C. First, isn't he playing pretty well at LG? Second, C is a more technically difficult position than G. I wouldn't exactly call Milford a finesse O-Lineman. He's a mauler, so why not keep him at the #1 mauler position (frontside G), which is where's playing right now.
Another thing. There are several threads (including this) on re-building the OL, and I'm puzzled over some of the comments.
Leinart is left-handed! That means that our blindside OT is the RT - NOT the LT! If we draft Joe Thomas etc., he would become the RT!
Wells has great feet and is a "finesse" O-Lineman. He only fits two positions in our scheme. C and RT (the blindside OT). He would NOT Fit at LT (the frontside)
Speaking of the frontside. Have anyone noticed how Big has settled in over the last couple of games. On paper, there's isn't that much difference between the front and blindside OT, BUT the mental pressure is much, much bigger on the blindside, because that player can't miss a block - EVER!
Big has had some of that pressure taken away from him and defenses cannot bring the same pressure anymore, because Leinart is getting better at beating the blitz. Big has been playing very well, since he became the frontside OT.
And what's this talk about moving Milford to C. First, isn't he playing pretty well at LG? Second, C is a more technically difficult position than G. I wouldn't exactly call Milford a finesse O-Lineman. He's a mauler, so why not keep him at the #1 mauler position (frontside G), which is where's playing right now.
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Besides the oline, CB, and FS we need 2 run stuffing DT's badly. We need DT's a lot more than a DE.
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The reason I am intrigued by Brown playing C is that he stated he had played it before at Houston and he is strong enough to take on the Grady Jacksons of the league and not be driven back 5 yards, disrupting the backfield. Wells is not strong enough to be a run blocking C. He would be fine as a pass blocker but would not be able to move those big DTs, much like Leckey.
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Is it Todd Watkins, who's on the practice squad???
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Look at how the C is used in our scheme. The C is rarely used in a one-on-one block in run blocking. It's usually the Gs that are isolated in our scheme. The reason that Leckey struggles is not due to the scheme, but due to the fact, that he's smallest C in the league.
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Maybe its the scheme and not the players?
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Everyone on this board knows we cant fix everything this coming offseason. I want to see about five holes fixed this time next year. Maybe we can win eight games next year. I like Briggs over Thomas cuz he is five years younger. What about trading down and getting one of the Michigan defensive lineman? We could still end up getting a guy like Staley in the second round. We already have big money tied up in Okeafor and Berry so I dont see us going after Kerney.I suspect Freeney wont be available. With Briggs, Branch and a guy like Ken Hamlin our defense would be much improved.
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A taste of Kool-Aid for your consideration.
Dallas was going nowhere this season until Parcells decided to replace an inexperienced cannon-armed QB with no mobility with something called a Tony Romo (Who?)
Albeit the change was made at the key roster position, but that one single personnel move flipped the season for the Cowboys.
We may not need to blow up our roster (yet again!!!!!) Maybe it's just a matter of the right piece falling in place for the juggernaut to begin.
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IMO I believe the last couple of games have shown that there's noting wrong with the scheme. Egde have had his best games of the season and the OL has protected Leinart better over the last 3-4 games.
What was the problem then? Two things IMO. Bad players and the coaching staff's decision to mix and match the OL without any regard to talent or how well the fit their respective position.
Things like:
- Why did they stay with Step so long?
- How on Earth did the coaching staff think Ross could handle the blindside when he struggled as the frontside?
- Why did Wells, a finesse player, not play one of the two positions, where a finesse player could excel until 8 weeks into the season?
- Why did Lewienski stay in the starting line-up with Latui and Ross on the bench?
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Meanwhile the Vikings start two backups on the right side of their offensive line and run all over the Cardinals defense.
All good points...
How is it that a guy from Europe knows so much about football???
The one point that really frustrates me is regarding Stepanovich. It was evident last season already that the line functioned better with Leckey at center, instead of Step. Leckey is certainly no world-beater, but it was obvious then that he was better for this team at that position than Stepanovich. ( I think Step is better at guard than center also.)
Why then did this season begin with Step entrenched at the center position???
It makes no freakin' sense!And I don't by the "because DG drafted him" reasoning because Denny drafted both of them.
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All good points...
How is it that a guy from Europe knows so much about football???
The one point that really frustrates me is regarding Stepanovich. It was evident last season already that the line functioned better with Leckey at center, instead of Step. Leckey is certainly no world-beater, but it was obvious then that he was better for this team at that position than Stepanovich. ( I think Step is better at guard than center also.)
Why then did this season begin with Step entrenched at the center position???
And I don't by the "because DG drafted him" reasoning because Denny drafted both of them.
Only the Cardinals...
I would suspect Step was better at making line calls than Leckey. In addition Leckey must have the shortest legs of any center in the NFL. Leinart basically is hunched over in the fetal position to take a snap.
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All good points...
How is it that a guy from Europe knows so much about football???
The one point that really frustrates me is regarding Stepanovich. It was evident last season already that the line functioned better with Leckey at center, instead of Step. Leckey is certainly no world-beater, but it was obvious then that he was better for this team at that position than Stepanovich. ( I think Step is better at guard than center also.)
Why then did this season begin with Step entrenched at the center position???
And I don't by the "because DG drafted him" reasoning because Denny drafted both of them.
Only the Cardinals...
My guess...
Step has a bigger upside than Leckey, because Leckey will always be limited by his size. It's probably true, that there weren't that big a difference between the two in training camp, but Leckey is just so much better in live action. Kinda like TJ vs. Shipp. Jones got the starting nod but Shipp outperformed him, despite having lesser potential.
