Wolfley: The Frankenfive Defense

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Wolfley: The Frankenfive Defense
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“Something wicked this way comes” and its origin is Tempe. Of all the stories heading into the summer this one has topped my priority-one, can’t miss, training-camp list: Clancy Pendergast is tinkering with a hybrid three-four/five-down-freaky-five-defense. The Cardinals talented Defensive-Coordinator, like Doctor Frankenstein, is testing the laws of nature – football nature, that is. Lying on a grease-board slab is the lifeless markings of a diabolical defense, a defense brought to life by Doctor Pender-stein. And I like it, my friends.

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Sounds like a good movie plot... But so much emphasis being placed on Pace - a guy who has shown me NOTHING thus far - is scary at best...

How many times did Wolfley say, "he needs...". We all know what Pace "needs" to do. Problem is, he never actually "does"...
 

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im sorry but i really dont like wolfleys writing, i read the first paragraph and start to snore.
 

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I love Wolfley, both in writing and on the radio.

I personally would love for Pace to succeed this year in CP's new scheme. If not, he may still go down in history as the best pre-season football player ever.
 

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I really hate Wolfley, but not in a negative way. The stuff he makes up is studpid-funny that you have to hate him for making you laugh because you feel like you are in second grade.
 

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I have actually thought Pace flashed some rushing ability, but something stupid always seems to slow him down. Two year ago he had decent sack totals to start the year and just faded away.
 

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Wolfley's rendition is precisely what I thought Clancy P. has been heading toward.

My only concern - Wouldn't the whole concept crumble with the wrong injury? For example - Should Pace be injured, who'd then be able to step up to play the role of Vrabel?
 

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JeffGollin said:
Wolfley's rendition is precisely what I thought Clancy P. has been heading toward.

My only concern - Wouldn't the whole concept crumble with the wrong injury? For example - Should Pace be injured, who'd then be able to step up to play the role of Vrabel?

You're assuming Pace himself can play Vrabel... :shock:
 

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JEFF,

Clancy Pendergast will use this defense as a change-up. Unless they achieve great results, the 4-3 Under will be the staple defense.

The best part about this defense is Pace will be "acting" as the sam-Backer, over the tight-end, allowing Dansby to play the will-backer.

I think this is where he should be playing: on the weakside. This is where Big Play linebackers typically play (unless you're Ray Lewis).

Pace will do well over a tight-end and Dansby will be free to run (in theory).

Another HUGE bonus is teams will have to prepare for this defense, wasting valuable practice reps on a defense they may not even see! Nice...
 

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BigRedRage said:
im sorry but i really dont like wolfleys writing, i read the first paragraph and start to snore.


unfortunately, i have to agree. i love his passion but his writing is just plain awful. as for content . . . really? an entire article on calvin pace? the most notable thing he's done is fall through the glass. fecch.
 

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Clown,

Maybe he was just echoing the excitement from the defensive staff? After all, Pace was much improved before the bye-week. Anybody who knows how to watch football would be able to tell you that.
 

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Hardy Brown said:
JEFF,

Clancy Pendergast will use this defense as a change-up. Unless they achieve great results, the 4-3 Under will be the staple defense.

The best part about this defense is Pace will be "acting" as the sam-Backer, over the tight-end, allowing Dansby to play the will-backer.

I think this is where he should be playing: on the weakside. This is where Big Play linebackers typically play (unless you're Ray Lewis).

Pace will do well over a tight-end and Dansby will be free to run (in theory).

Another HUGE bonus is teams will have to prepare for this defense, wasting valuable practice reps on a defense they may not even see! Nice...

Good stuff!

Are you planning on going to Training camp to watch some of the practices? I'd love to get some quality reports from you.
 

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Hardy Brown said:
Clown,

Maybe he was just echoing the excitement from the defensive staff? After all, Pace was much improved before the bye-week. Anybody who knows how to watch football would be able to tell you that.

improved, yes, an impact player, not hardly. i'm sorry, but he's been with the team for long enough that i am just not getting excited about a glimmer that we saw for a limited amount of time prior to the dude injuring himself while wrestling with a friend. come on! an entire article on the guy? i say let him prove he's this frankenmonster then write something worthy, 'cuz up 'til now the guys a frankenflop.

i hope you're right about the excitement from the staff, but at this point that's pure speculation. and besides, all coaching staffs rave about players that end up being nada. i want to see it on the field. enough with the talky talky.
 

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Perhaps the better nickname for Calvin Pace would be the Tinman. From the article, it sounds like what the defensive staff is really looking for him to show is some heart.

EDIT: And for what it's worth, Hardy, while I like Dansby moving forward, I don't want him playing the Wendy LB spot. Why? Because Dansby is very effective playing both forward and backward, and a playmaker at the Strongside is better than one on the weakside (for the DE comparison, look at how much more valueable two-way players are for the Giants [Strahan] and Panthers [Peppers]). Clancy needs his LBs to cover man-to-man, and this article makes it patently obvious that Calvin Pace can't cover (which is why he's a DE and not an LB). Dansby is great in coverage and blitzing the QB. While blitzing LBs are a dime a dozen, two-way players at the position are much, much harder to come by.
 
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JeffGollin said:
Wolfley's rendition is precisely what I thought Clancy P. has been heading toward.

My only concern - Wouldn't the whole concept crumble with the wrong injury? For example - Should Pace be injured, who'd then be able to step up to play the role of Vrabel?

It's just another variation on the five man fronts that Clancy has been mixing in since he started here. We'll run all sorts of things, including three man fronts too.
 

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Clown,

He will play over the tight-end at 270lbs. In a blitz-front he's almost certain to draw a rb in most protections. It sounds like you played. Would you want to block him from the rb position?

If he can do what the best minds in football think he can, he will be an impact player. I believe that has created the excitement on the staff.
 

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EDIT: And for what it's worth, Hardy, while I like Dansby moving forward, I don't want him playing the Wendy LB spot. Why? Because Dansby is very effective playing both forward and backward, and a playmaker at the Strongside is better than one on the weakside (for the DE comparison, look at how much more valueable two-way players are for the Giants [Strahan] and Panthers [Peppers]). Clancy needs his LBs to cover man-to-man, and this article makes it patently obvious that Calvin Pace can't cover (which is why he's a DE and not an LB). Dansby is great in coverage and blitzing the QB. While blitzing LBs are a dime a dozen, two-way players at the position are much, much harder to come by.

Kerouac,

You like Dansby moving forward/backward? What does this mean?

Everything that follows must be built on the following: this five-down defense is designed to be a change-up to the Cardinals under defense.

The weakside is where play-making backers are placed. The reason for this is rather simplistic: the Will-backer can move around (not having to play over the TE) and, in a 4-3 or 5-down scheme, will most likely HAVE to be blocked by a back (unless you're Shawne Merriman). Look at the six-OLB's from last year's Pro Bowl team:

Cato June (wlb), IND
Joey Porter (wlb), PIT
Lance Briggs (wlb), CHI
Derrick Brooks (wlb), TB
Keith Brooking (wlb), ATL (moved from wlb to mlb in week 6 due to injury and still got voted as an OLB)
Shawne Merriman (wlb in a 3-4 defense, like Lawrence Taylor), SD

Scheme is what places these players in position to make plays and most schemes allow the Will-backer to make plays.

In addition, the will-backer, since he doesn't have to jam the TE, can quickly drop into coverage (picks) or rush the passer from depth (sacks) - hitting the LOS from anywhere. Your Will-backer is typically more athletic than your Sam-backer. Your Sam needs to be able to play over the TE and control the LOS (bigger and stronger). Calvin Pace is much better suited for this - even now - than Dansby. Dansby struggles against blocking TE's. It's one of the reasons WHY Clancy is trying to get somebody bigger over the TE, freeing up Dansby to run, use his athletic ability and make plays.

Pace doesn't need to "cover" TE's or RB's man-to-man. The scheme will control that. As the article says, Pace will do one of three things: rush the passer, maul the TE on the LOS and drop into zone-coverage (not man). Clancy calls the defense and then calls the play. He won't put pace in a poor position.

I apologize for the length of this post.
 
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Isn't this the defensive alignment that worked so well against Atlanta two years ago, except with different personel? We pretty much neutralized Vick & Crumpler in that game.

But as I recall, this scheme works well against one-dimensional o's, not as well against balanced attacks.

But I could very well be wrong, since my football strength lies in the drinking of beer at the game, rather than x's & o's.

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Hardy Brown said:
Kerouac,

You like Dansby moving forward/backward? What does this mean?

Everything that follows must be built on the following: this five-down defense is designed to be a change-up to the Cardinals under defense.

The weakside is where play-making backers are placed. The reason for this is rather simplistic: the Will-backer can move around (not having to play over the TE) and, in a 4-3 or 5-down scheme, will most likely HAVE to be blocked by a back (unless you're Shawne Merriman). Look at the six-OLB's from last year's Pro Bowl team:

Cato June (wlb), IND
Joey Porter (wlb), PIT
Lance Briggs (wlb), CHI
Derrick Brooks (wlb), TB
Keith Brooking (wlb), ATL (moved from wlb to mlb in week 6 due to injury and still got voted as an OLB)
Shawne Merriman (wlb in a 3-4 defense, like Lawrence Taylor), SD

Scheme is what places these players in position to make plays and most schemes allow the Will-backer to make plays.

In addition, the will-backer, since he doesn't have to jam the TE, can quickly drop into coverage (picks) or rush the passer from depth (sacks) - hitting the LOS from anywhere. Your Will-backer is typically more athletic than your Sam-backer. Your Sam needs to be able to play over the TE and control the LOS (bigger and stronger). Calvin Pace is much better suited for this - even now - than Dansby. Dansby struggles against blocking TE's. It's one of the reasons WHY Clancy is trying to get somebody bigger over the TE, freeing up Dansby to run, use his athletic ability and make plays.

Pace doesn't need to "cover" TE's or RB's man-to-man. The scheme will control that. As the article says, Pace will do one of three things: rush the passer, maul the TE on the LOS and drop into zone-coverage (not man). Clancy calls the defense and then calls the play. He won't put pace in a poor position.

I apologize for the length of this post.

What I meant was that I like Dansby having the option to both cover TEs and blitz the quarterback. There aren't many LBs in the NFL that are better in coverage than Karlos Dansby, and the Cards were one of the best teams in NFL history at covering tight ends last season.

I thought that you were saying that you wanted to make Dansby's move to the weakside permanent. This doesn't make a lot of sense to me because, as I said, he has the ability to take the best tight ends in the NFL out of games altogether. In special packages, I don't really care.

As for Pro Bowl votes for linebackers, I'm not surprise. Pro Bowl is all about gaudy stats--mostly sacks--and shutting down the Jeremy Shockeys and Jerramy Stevens of the NFL don't usually show up on SportsCenter. But Shawne Merriman does line up on the strongside for the Chagers, and is asked to cover man-to-man as much as blitz. I love D.J. Williams of the Broncos for his multi-dimensionality.

For what it's worth, I guess I'm saying that you can name a half-dozen guys who go to Honolulu because they get sacks, and I can name a handful more--LaVar Arrington, Julian Peterson, Takeo Spikes, etc. I guess I just don't want to limit what Dansby does by putting him on the other side. I'd rather have an LB that "struggles with blocking tight ends" than the ones that score 10 TDs a season.
 

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